Chinese ambassador Wang Guangya: China won't support sanctions against Iran

Now, i could of seen everybody write China or Russia won't be supporting Iran anymore but looks like it has turned over. China is still with Iran and even thinking about putting Iran in that position is even rediculous to think about.

China won't support sanctions against Iran

No need yet for UN sanctions on Iran: China

[edit on 3-2-2006 by Bozorgh]

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[edit on 3-2-2006 by Bozorgh]

Originally posted by Bozorgh
Now, i could of seen everybody write China or Russia won't be supporting Iran anymore

Not me.

I've always said China and Russia are just "playing" with the west, niether of them will let any sanctions come to Iran.

And niether of them would ever under any circumstances support a war, even if there was solid proof Iran already had nukes, I still think they would rather have a peaceful disarmament.

with all due to respect.

But i just want ask one question. if Israel has the nukes,why Iran can't?

China has oilfields in Iran, Russia is building them as well, you can bet theyre not just going to step aside and let merrycans do their thing there.

Indeed, the nuclear parity issue will be impossible to resolve until Israel agrees to disarm, or at the very least sign on to some form of NPT.

China and Russia dearly want to stall the US until at least March, which they've accomplished. We'll see what happens next...

But i just want ask one question. if Israel has the nukes,why Iran can't?

Because you can trust Israel. Aside from soldiers taking pot-shots at children while they're playing soccer, and their habit of burning down civilian homes, they are a nation to be trusted with weapons of mass destruction.

The stange thing is that you can see the teams squaring off for the big bout, WWIII. The US and EU won't deal with a Palestine run by a violent Hamas. That leaves Palestine to rely on other wealthy nations like Iran for direct support. Of course China doesn't care about siding with the west, so it continues it's trade with Iran, thus aiding Palestine either directly or indirectly. After sanctions are imposed, and the weapons are balanced (nukes) then it will begin.
Nukes Nukes everywhere.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Because you can trust Israel. Aside from soldiers taking pot-shots at children while they're playing soccer, and their habit of burning down civilian homes, they are a nation to be trusted with weapons of mass destruction.

Why can you trust Israel with nuclear weapons?

I certainly don't trust Israel with nuclear weapons anymore than say, Iran.
Here's why:


Israel has secretly developed her nuclear weapons and during a weapons inspection at the Dimona nuclear facility Israel deceived the inspectors by brick-walling the entrances to the five floors below the first floor where the weapons-grade plutonium was being manufactured.

In 1956 Israel invaded the Sinai Peninsula along with the British and the French.

In 1967 Israel took out the whole Egyptian air force. They also invaded and captured the West Bank, the Golan Heights and the Sinai Peninsula. During this war unmarked Israeli jets and gunboats attacked the USS Liberty, even though they knew it was a US ship. The US initially thought it was Egypt that attacked the ship and were about to launch a nuclear attack on Cairo, but thankfully it was called off.

In 1978 Israel invaded Lebanon, but because of a public outcry Israel partially retreated and UN peacekeepers took over.

In 1982 the Lebanon war started when Israel attacked the counrty.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
they are a nation to be trusted with weapons of mass destruction.

- If that is the basis of your view then surely Iran can be trusted too?

Iran has has chemical and biological WMDs for well over 10yrs (all since the Islamic revolution there).

They have also had the missiles to deliver them over long ranges for some time now (Israel has 'been within range for a long time).

Some people seem to imagine a disastrous scenario where Iran could 'destroy' Israel with a dozen or two nuclear weapons; I wonder how this destruction would really differ from a chemical or biological attack from 100 - 200 missiles (or if that doesn't compute for you how about 200 or 400 missiles/whatever - afterall some folks seem to intent on imagining them doing anything and not caring about the suicidal consequences).
I expect the answer is by very little.

The fact is that Iran has never used those weapons nor ever threatened to.

Note too how, unlike with Iraq, those kinds of WMD in Iranian hands are ignored by 'our' media and governments almost entirely.

Actually China doesn't have to do anything it doesn't want to, remember China is becoming US larger competitor when it comes to oil purchasing.

Taking in consideration that China also has become one of US manufactured of goods and also one that has invested the most in American dollars.

They can do whatever they feel like it.

The sanctions will affect China, because after all China is Iran best buyer.

So If they go along with the US and stop or reduce their need for oil then who is going to sell the difference to China demand?

NO every country in the world is afraid of US sanctions you know.

Perhaps that is why the Iranian president is so confident, if his buyers refused the sanctions then what US is going to do?

Nothing really.

I'm sorry Swearbear, I don't think my sarcasm traveled as well over this thread as it did in my head. I definately think that Iran should have nukes. It balances things out in the middle east. Israel is like america's little buddy who runs around punching people in the face. There's no way I'd trust them alone with nukes over there.

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
But i just want ask one question. if Israel has the nukes,why Iran can't?

Because the US gov. are hypocrytical bastards who excercise favouratism on a global scale.

Originally posted by nukunuku
China has oilfields in Iran, Russia is building them as well

Wait up, what? Since when? And more importantly why?

[edit on 8-2-2006 by Manincloak]

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Wait a second. How does anyone here know that isreal has nukes? I'm pretty sure they have never declared them.

Swearbear's post:-

I cant believe what i read! Is this an ignorance on your part or an attempt to spread your propaganda of lies on what actually happened??!!!

I am not a jew, but i will stand beside them, not because they were the 'chosen ones by God' or any of that stuff, nor pity them, but because they are human just like me and no human should be subjected to the abuse they had led for centuries.

The middle east were largely a loosely held desert lands owned by arabian tribes as well jews. It was part of the decandant and cruel ottoman empire when the British took over the mandate. Read up on the Balfour Declaration 1917 to verify on how Palestine was declared as a homeland for the Jews.

Prior to WWII, arabs worked up religious passions to deny the jews swamp and desert lands whom they had legally bought from the ottomans. It was backbreaking work by the jews to transform desert and swamps into lush arable land, land of which the arabs did nothing but to graze goats.

The arab tribal leaders were not happy that modernity led by the jews which arrived in ME with improved medical care and education, and strived to keep such influences from their common religiously suppressed masses. Riding on the bandwagon of Hitler, the arab leaders obtained help from him to rid the jews as well as the british. The jews however sent its sons to fight on the side of Brits all over the world. It was only when the war went against the British that the arabs sided back with the british.

After the war, the british leaders backtracked on its promise for oil wealth was too enticing to ignore or offend the other arabs. They let UN to resolve the land issue, which the jews were ready to accept, even on the worst of terms. Unfortunately, the arabs were not even interested in diplomatic resolves, but instead, got the other arab states and invaded the new jewish state of Israel. With only a handful of them, they beat back the arabs.

From the years of 1947, the arabs had physically invaded the sovereign land of Israel several times, and ragheads had intruded inside to set up their suicidal attacks on civilians, killing men women and children. Daily, the chants of 'Death to Israel' goes on non-stop and their physical existence is one of death anytime. No way a human should live or a child to grow in such environment.

I will not deny that there is the issue of palestinians to be resolve. But the jews are as palestinians as they too. My hope is for diplomatic resolve the issue so that the palestinians can live as humans and not be the tools of ragheads to spread radicalism of Islam.

However, in view of the deadly threats daily by the arabs, surrounding by that many arabs who daily preach the annihilation of a group and state of humans, i will support Israel right to bear nuclear arms, which was created prior the UN nuke proliferation treaty, and fervantly hope they may not have the cause to use it. May the arabs have enough senses to come to the meeting table to resolve the issues diplomatically. Human lives are precious, friends or foes - ultimately we are all the same race - humans.

No God of ANY worthwhile religion would demand human sacriface. The last time God demanded a human was Abraham's son and even that, He stopped it. Check your Korans and Bibles for god's sake.



[edit on 8-2-2006 by SeekerofTruth101]

Originally posted by Manincloak

China has oilfields in Iran, Russia is building them as well

Wait up, what? Since when? And more importantly why?

they just recently got the concession for building oil fields i belive it was on north or west of Iran, as to your question why, well, i guess they got a good deal?

Originally posted by Dronetek
Wait a second. How does anyone here know that isreal has nukes? I'm pretty sure they have never declared them.

Plausable Deniability

A state where one has prevented one’s self from officially learning what one already knows in order to later retain the precious ability to plead ignorance.

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
with all due to respect.

But i just want ask one question. if Israel has the nukes,why Iran can't?

Because the less nukes sitting around, and the fewer people that can fire them, the better off we all are.

When I was growing up the mentality was more like your statement.

China has nukes so must India
India has nukes so must Pakistan

Why not Vietnam, or Nepal... and so on.

Haha, a funny propagand( from US gov?)

It sounds like an adult(US) has a gun and plans to kill/invade/threaten a boy(Iran). Before he is ready to do so , he told the boy:"Hey, I have a gun and i am going to kill you. But you should not have a gun because your gun may hurt other people..."

Originally posted by berglion

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
with all due to respect.

But i just want ask one question. if Israel has the nukes,why Iran can't?

Because the less nukes sitting around, and the fewer people that can fire them, the better off we all are.

When I was growing up the mentality was more like your statement.

China has nukes so must India
India has nukes so must Pakistan

Why not Vietnam, or Nepal... and so on.

[edit on 9-2-2006 by google_abcd]

Ever since the Chineese disengagement from the U.S. dollar and Iran's recent talk of the Iran Oil Bourse I have suspected global efforts are underway to destabilize the U.S. dollar. As we are the world's largest capitalist economy, that would be tantamount to having our electricity cut off and we would quickly wither and fade.

I wouldn't be surprised if China and Russia are both working us from either end with the hopes that one or the other will be able to knock us off our perch as our economy fails.

Originally posted by marg6043


So If they go along with the US and stop or reduce their need for oil then who is going to sell the difference to China demand?


Nothing really.

Iraq.

Also, some of you need to research how much Oil Alaska really has - more than Saudi Arabia.

Did anyone miss that part of the State of the Union? "Addiction to Middle East Oil"?

What, you really think Bush, an Oil man, wants to lose profits? Sure he and his buddies have it planned out in the long term, but they want to milk the existing infrastructure for as much as it's worth before converting to a new fuel source.

Not to mention, think of the windfall Detroit will experience when a new standard for combustable fuel is announced here in America.

Foreign Oil and it's associated costs are killing the American Middle class.



[edit on 10-2-2006 by crisko]

Humm lets see here, Now we have China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Venesuala, Cuba, and most likely Canada if China has anything to say about it, and Mexico if Iran asks them. All aginst us......this is going to get ugly.