100's of Muslims protest Muhammad cartoons in London…But how many protest terror?

I, as a Mod, want to publically thank geek101 and Beachcomba for several fantastic posts. Words like these are EXACTLY what we in the west need to hear. I often wonder if the reason we dont hear more like it is because "Muslims say kill all the unbelievers" sells more papers than "Muslims say remain respectful" reguardless of the numbers behind either statement.

I can understand your frustration, I am from the South and we all are still considered to belong to the KKK, lynch blacks for fun, etc; when in fact, much like in your case, those people made up a TINY fraction of the population.

Im really sick of this, they seem to get away with murder these extremists. The police are too scared to do anything and thats a fact.

A senior officer has said tha the police force cant do too much incase they appear to be racist! Absolute Joke

More developments on this subject:

Five die in Afghan cartoon furore

news.bbc.co.uk...

Two people died when protesters turned on the American airbase at Bagram, even though the US has had no involvement in the cartoons' publication.

In Somalia, a 14-year-old boy was killed and several others were injured after protesters attacked the police.

Rallies have also taken place in India, Thailand, Indonesia, Iran and Gaza.

And some images borrowed from Drudge:






The bottom line is that some Muslims, enough to cause riots on many continents, are making cartoons depicting their prophet enough of an issue to bring negative attention to their faith. Attention it does not need. I think this energy is better spent of fighting the extremists within rather than against non Islamic artists portrayals of their prophet


[edit on 6-2-2006 by skippytjc]

That is what is truely sickening about all this. The fanatical protestors, especially the ones screaming about no more free speech, will be the first to scream racism, and/or bigotry. The hypocrisy won't even occur to them.

The police need to stamp down hard. It won't change any minds, but it'll keep the peace, which is their job when all is said and done.

Originally posted by Beachcoma
I plucked that figure from the sky, coz I really don't know the actual figure. But the figures you put forth are of British muslims, not the whole muslim population.

OK then. Let's look at the wider muslim population around the world and see what their support for terrorism is like.

Look at the high level of support for suicide bombing against civilians and the even higher level of support for people like Bin Laden.




PEW Global Attitudes Report (PDF)

You should also read about how the muslim world views Christians and Jews versus how the Western world views muslims. We're not the ones who are biased.

AceOfBase,

Those figures are two years old, and they appear to represent only a handful of muslim countries. And what about muslims living abroad?

Originally posted by Beachcoma
AceOfBase,

Those figures are two years old, and they appear to represent only a handful of muslim countries. And what about muslims living abroad?

They were conducted in the spring of 2005.
That's only one year ago.

I gave you the figures for Britain and that wasn't enough so I gave you figures for other muslim countries and that's still not enough. I can't give you data for every muslim country or every muslim population living in the west.


[edit on 6-2-2006 by AceOfBase]

I have been following this story for a while,

One thing that is bothering me is the fact that the countries in where the protest are going on seems to be completely oblivious of the consequences that these so called protest are causing.

What is going on,

These are not muslin countries by any means, why then the leaders and the none muslin population that are obvious the majority in these countries are not doing something about it.

Where is the tear gas and the hoses to spray the trouble makers away.

Where are the arrest and the special forces to take over the crowd.

They are just a crowd by all means.

Don't the government in these countries own that to their majority population that are probably angry at what their countries are becoming.?

The more these troublesome crowds keep spreading they will be spreading their hate like a diseases.

Truly I don't get it.

I still don't understand either.

Who is in charge now

They are afraid to do anything to that extent, Marg, because they don't want to incite and provoke further protests and violence. These people were incited by a European immam who went around theworld, showing CARTOONS to everyone, cartoons that were drawn last year. If they were pepper sprayed, could you imagine the buildings they would burn down in other countries?

Iran has just cut all ties with Denmark, saying the toon was directed at them and their quest for nuclear power.

You know TC I am not very nice when it comes to take care of the trouble makers in my own backyard.

I have not problem with my muslin or Islamic neighbors as long as they keep their religion and believes to themselves.

The same goes to my good Christian neighbors.

But when something like violence in my own city or town or country starts sprouting by any groups and that is affecting me and others equality in my quality of life and safety.

The hell with them if their bring their BS next to me I am going to defend myself and make sure that my government is there too to do the same.

These are not many people they are just scattered few that are feeding the others into doing their dirty work for them.

I believe that is the responsibility of the government in those countries to make sure that the rest of the population is safe when it comes to their own borders.

If they are violent then by all mean take them out.

Clean the city pack them and mail them back to their country of origin.

Close the borders and stop the flights until everything is resolve.

Anything just to stop all the madness.

Been political correct is just making these people or groups take over the situation is just going to get worst.

It is only me or I am looking at the spread of violence that Islamic radical are doing through the European nations.

Perhaps the take Over the world is what all these is about.

Originally posted by skippytjc
I think this energy is better spent of fighting the extremists within rather than against non Islamic artists portrayals of their prophet

I would agree skippy, except for one thing: Arab Muslims, in general, believe the west (US, UK etc) is at war with Islam. Saudi Arabia's Grand mufti called for Islamic unity in the face of the West's war on Islam in his sermon during the Hajj.

He urged Muslims to unite, return to the essence of Islam and shun terrorism as well as Western ideas aimed at destroying their religion under the guise of women's and human rights. "What's known as terror is forbidden under Islamic doctrine," said the Mufti. "Islam is being unjustly targeted through an effort to attribute the philosophy of terror to this religion."

Clearly, this Mufti is feeding into the belief that the West intends to destroy Islam.

Despite the fact that we are fighting "extremism" in the war on terror, Muslims perceive that we are instead fighting Islam.

"Oh, Muslim nation, there is a war against our creed, against our culture under the pretext of fighting terrorism. We should stand firm and united in protecting our religion," he said. "Islam's enemies want to empty our religion from its contents and its meaning," said Sheikh Abdul Aziz. "But the soldiers of God will be victorious," he said. The faithful called out: "Amen."

So what is the answer to the question: Why, when extremists decapitate the heads off their kidnapped victims or blow themselves up in crowded place, killing innocents, including children, are Muslims relatively silent on the matter that you can hear crickets in the background; yet when cartoons satirize the Prophet Muhammed the Muslim world suddenly rises up in a deafening roar out of anger to protest, destroy property, and even kill?

Where is the outrage that these extremists are hijacking Islam by misinterpreting its teachings? Where is the puplic display of anger and destruction that this minority of misunderstanders of Islam cause destruction and murder in the name of Islam?!?

My answer: I'm beginning to believe that Muslims, in general, want these extremists to succeed in the hopes that Islam will become the dominant religion in the world. The actions on the part of Muslims world wide seem to be the best spokesmen on Muslims true desires and intentions.

I have read in the Local Newspaper that some Muslim Group published a Charicature of Anna Frank and Hitler togather in Bed. They said it not ment as an insult or provocation, but as a Test of Freedom of Speech.

Muslim cartoon provokes fury among UK Jews

Independant

An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.

For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.

Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".

But I don't know if this is the Case I read about.

I guess this is just still the RE-action and a replay to Danish Cartoon.

[edit on 6/2/06 by Souljah]

It seems to me that while not all, a large amount are protesting over these 'cartoons'.

Given the Nomatic Muslim history and lack of advancement, unlike the west in the past 80 years, should it be expected for them to act in this manner?

To me it's seems like behavior that would of happened in the middle ages.

Originally posted by Souljah
I have read in the Local Newspaper that some Muslim Group published a Charicature of Anna Frank and Hitler togather in Bed. They said it not ment as an insult or provocation, but as a Test of Freedom of Speech.

OMG.....Lets kill all the Muslims and burn down there Buildings.....better yet lets nuke the entire middle east......


I think I speak for pretty close to 100% of the west when I say......who cares? Tackey.....yes but hardly a killing offense. And yes Souljah, they have every right to publish that cartoon just as the danes had a right to publish theirs.

I have not heard anything about that cartoon but I will be looking to see it sounds funny.

By the way is all these new brakes of violence in other European nations perhaps the results of the War on Terror.

After all like another member posted they do believe that the west and allies are in war against them.

So I guess this the way to respond to the west war on terror, but instead of targeting US they are targeting more soft countries in Europe.

Where they have more stronger hold.

[edit on 6-2-2006 by marg6043]

Originally posted by Souljah
I have read in the Local Newspaper that some Muslim Group published a Charicature of Anna Frank and Hitler togather in Bed.

www.fransgroenendijk.nl...

Hitler and Anne Frank after having sex.

Of course they are missing the point. The Muhammad cartoons were
a political cartoon telling a 'truth' as the cartoonist saw it. They were
crass (in my opinion) ... but the cartoonist and the publications had
a right to print them.

Having Anne Frank and Hitler having sex .. well ... what truth
could there possibly be found in that? It's just junk.
And it doesn't say anything of political value. At least I don't
see anything.

But of course the Muslims go and hit up the Jews ... not the
Danes where it all started, eh?

It's a whatever.

[edit on 2/6/2006 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by AceOfBase
They were conducted in the spring of 2005.
That's only one year ago.

I gave you the figures for Britain and that wasn't enough so I gave you figures for other muslim countries and that's still not enough. I can't give you data for every muslim country or every muslim population living in the west.


[edit on 6-2-2006 by AceOfBase]

My mistake, I saw a whole row of 2003s and 2002s and thought otherwise.

I suppose what I'm driving at is this -- do you notice a pattern there? Maybe it's not obvious, but to me, it seems like countries like Jordan and Lebanon, owing to their proximity to Israel, which we all know the Arab countries don't like, well that factor may have weighed into their support for violence. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that the reasons probably have less to do with "kill the infidels" and more to do with a vengeance/blood feud.

Also if you noticed, in other countries where the violence is escalating such as Indonesia, Phillipines or Thailand, standards of living are not so great. On a special note, Indonesia may be muslim in name, but they don't really practise it the way it should. I know for a fact because of my country's close proximity and also because we have plenty of Indonesian immigrants working here. Even my maid is Indonesian.

Yes, my family has had plenty of Indonesian maids (they work on a 3 year contract basis) and of the dozen or so maids that we've had, only one of them knew what their religion was about. Imagine that, just one! The others had to learn about it from us.

Look, I'm not trying to deflect the blame or anything here, but I'm just pointing out what I see, what I perceive. There's no doubt that there are elements in the "muslim" communities that are undesirable. But to say that we are just biased and only see what we want to see is a little harsh, when the same can be said about any group of human beings on the planet.

I've mentioned this on another thread, but I'll point it out again. This is what I think is going on with elements in the aforementioned countries --

Imagine you live in, say Indonesia (coz that's the easiest for me to personally visualize..). Your government's pretty crooked. It's getting better, but crooked is still crooked. Your life is deplorable. You have no prospects. Unemployement is close to 50% (it's true, that's why they look for employment in Malaysia). Education-wise you were lucky you finished high-school (most don't, better work on the farms/factories to help the family's financial situation) The situation appears hopeless.

And then you come in contact with a charismatic religious figure. He tells you stories about the afterlife (true or untrue I leave it up to you). You're thinking "My life is crap! Listening to this guy may not be such a bad idea. At least he can guide me in my preparations for the afterlife." And so you start listening to this imam. And it so happens this imam is one of the fundamental types. Whether that is by choice or whether it is because that's what this imam was taught, who can say? Now you just found religion. You become passionate about it (like all born-again people are). You hear another story about what appears to be more Western insensitivities (be it true or not, at this point it hardly matter). This further reinforces your believe in the fundamental teachings. And so you declare your vendetta against the West and all it stands for.

My point is, desperate and uneducated masses, no matter from what culture are dangerous. They are easily swayed.

I hope this gives you a better understanding of the dynamics involved.

Originally posted by Souljah
I have read in the Local Newspaper that some Muslim Group published a Charicature of Anna Frank and Hitler togather in Bed. They said it not ment as an insult or provocation, but as a Test of Freedom of Speech.

Has anybody heard anything about that - I can't find it in News on the Net.

Yes, I can give you a link to that picture:





[edit on 6-2-2006 by Riwka]

Thanks for the link Flyers,

So now they are testing their Freedom of speech

Well I guess the war on terror is making an impact after all even if the impact is in a violent way.

My goodness the news are showing all the protest around it really looks ugly.