Iran May Build EMP Warhead

James Woolsey former director of the CIA (1993-1995) is the one who warned of "scud in a bucket" WND was one of the few to pick-up on his comments and report.

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It would be appropiate to keep this thread on track and quit the sniping.

Originally posted by mrsdudara
When people are attacked, they tend to clam up, and I would hate to see that happen

which is exactly what MS wants, hence the character attacks....and it isnt going to happen.

if you peruse through all of my other posts, you will find that i am a stickler for posting sources and references. there is no reason for me not to have done that here if i knew about the world nut article, which i didnt.

back on topic.....

my dad and I (he has a very colorful background as a commercial, corporate, and government pilot...for several agencies which shall remain nameless) started our discussions on this matter after reading about missile "failures" in iran that just happen to have been exploding at 200km. this information was reported on all mainstream media. you'll recall that a few years ago there was a scifi show about life in the US after an EMP attack....dont remember the name of it, but it also influenced our thoughts on the matter. well, one night up at my dad's place we started talking about things we shouldnt talk about, as we have a tendency to do, and the subject of the iranian missile failures came up. we worked our way around to emp attacks as a viable terrorist action. then we started talking about the two together......and that's how we came up with the theory.

as a matter of fact, the whole reason i started listening to hal lindsay was because of a report i found from him that completely agreed with the scenario that dad and i had discussed. as i've mentioned before, i didnt know anything about the world nut articles until MS mentioned them on this thread. and if you go back and read the threads that i linked to from last year you will find that evidently i was not the only one to have these ideas.....in fact, as one poster pointed out, there was a book about a similar emp attack entitle "medusa's child" (which i havent got around to reading yet).

so anyway mrsdudara, i hope that answers your question as to how i came around to this line of thinking. and as has been pointed out here and elsewhere, my dad and i dont seem to be the only ones putting two and two together.

edited to delete information that i should not have discussed, at my dad's request

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Originally posted by Phoenix
James Woolsey former director of the CIA (1993-1995) is the one who warned of "scud in a bucket" WND was one of the few to pick-up on his comments and report.

Warning of attack

which in retrospect means that my father, being privy to information in certain circles, could very well have intentionally steered the conversation in that direction in order for me to believe that i came up with that theory on my own...because he truelly believes, just as i do, that iran and its president are a real threat to world stability.

It would be appropiate to keep this thread on track and quit the sniping.

agreed

After reading through most of the threads here I think you are missing the strategy.

The EMP is not for America.

It is instead for Israel.

Also.....

There seems to be a misconception on what is required for an EMP.

Any nuke will do.

The area that can be covered is limited to the warhead yield with a multi-megaton device being required to cover America, but a Hiroshima sized device could easily get all of Israel.

Only large military systems such as ships, and bases are EMP hardened.

Planes, and vehicles are not protected due to practicality, cost, and weight considerations.


And the one big victim of an EMP that you are missing is electric power generation plants.

Lights out everywhere without hope of the power being turned back on soon.

A nation like Israel would collapse.

As I have said before Iran only needs one nuke to destroy Israel.

It would not happen in a day, or a week, but it would happen.

your right AA...that is a very plausible explanation.....it would effectively ground the superior israeli airforce. but then again, it would possibly effect other muslim nations nearby. i guess it would have to be well coordinated between iran and the other muslim countries so that they could move any susceptable hardware well out of range of israel's borders.

and the big question is....how would the world respond? this theory would require all the muslim nations working together, and therefore all would be responsible for the attack, where as the attack described against the US would be relatively hard to determine who was responsible, if done properly.

so would the US, France, Germany, etc come to israel's defence in the situation?

Originally posted by snafu7700
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and the big question is....how would the world respond?
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The response would be more harsh than one would think by looking over this thread becasue of the other effect not mentioned yet.

Statement of Dr. George W. Ullrich Deputy Director Defense Special Weapons Agency
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A less well known effect of high altitude bursts, but also one with potentially devastating consequences, is the artificial "pumping" of the Van Allen belt with large numbers of electrons. The bomb-induced electrons will remain trapped in these belts for periods exceeding one year. All unhardened satellites traversing these belts in low earth orbit could demise in a matter of days to weeks following even one high altitude burst.

I really have no idea if military communication, spy, and GPS satellites would be effected, but its likely most others in Low Earth Orbit would.

Imagine the response after many of the worlds satellites are no longer functional....

Originally posted by ArchAngel

There seems to be a misconception on what is required for an EMP.

Any nuke will do.

You dont need a nuclear weapon to create a EMP they can be created using only convential explosives if the bomb is modified correctly. They are alot weaker something the size of a MK-84 would have a EMP footprint of a few hundred yards but if you used them in vital areas they could be devastating.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX

You dont need a nuclear weapon to create a EMP they can be created using only convential explosives if the bomb is modified correctly. They are alot weaker something the size of a MK-84 would have a EMP footprint of a few hundred yards but if you used them in vital areas they could be devastating.

correct, but as pointed out previously, only EMPs caused by a nuclear detonation will cause the damage required for any of the scenarios outlined here to be feasible.

edit to fix quotes

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Originally posted by snafu7700

Originally posted by mrsdudara
When people are attacked, they tend to clam up, and I would hate to see that happen

which is exactly what MS wants, hence the character attacks....and it isnt going to happen.

if you peruse through all of my other posts, you will find that i am a stickler for posting sources and references. there is no reason for me not to have done that here if i knew about the world nut article, which i didnt.

Look pal, you copied the article almost word for word, don't try and say you didn't plagarise it, please. Anyone who reads the world net daily article can easily see this.

Back on topic, as I've said a 20 kt nuke wouldn't black out the East coast and most critical systems would be hardened Why would the Iranians do this, use a nuclear weapon against the US anyway, it's tantamount to committing national suicied.

Originally posted by ArchAngel
As I have said before Iran only needs one nuke to destroy Israel.

It would not happen in a day, or a week, but it would happen.

Israel's response would be devastating. Iran would lose more than it's electronics to nuclear weapons, they'd lose a substantial amount of their population. The exact scenario is outlined in a book " War in 2006 ".

Also, with regards to blackouts, it would only be temporary, weeks.

Also, with regards to blackouts, it would only be temporary, weeks.

With the generators, and distribution system fried out it would be years if they ever got back online.

The destruction is permanant.

The effect causes wires, especially coil windings like you find in gerenators, to burn up as if they were shorted.

It could not be replaced before the society collapsed.

Back on topic, as I've said a 20 kt nuke wouldn't black out the East coast and most critical systems would be hardened

Only military bases, and ships are hardened.

The most critical system, electrical power plant generators, would be destroyed.

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Originally posted by Zanzibar
An EMP attack from Iran would be pointless, sure, they could shut down alot of the country, but they wouldn't be able to follow it up with anything. They could use a nuclear weapon, but using a nuclear weapon without an EMP is going to have the same result.

Iran don't have enough ground or air forces to effectively invade, so an EMP attack would be suicide. We know it, and they know it.

Well,not quite useless..US has a lot os spy satellites,so shuting them down before launching their other missiles towards Israel,Europe and USA is a very good idea...
They are not interested in conquering and civilising the "great satan".

Originally posted by skippytjc
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I don’t even think any boots on the ground would be needed to nullify Iran’s offensive military power. A HUGE initial air raid followed by a month of strategic air strikes would basically destroy Iran’s offensive abilities, and that’s the goal. Not occupation


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IF the Iranians do not take the initiative and strike Israel before and IF they will be lefy with no missiles after the initial strike...

Originally posted by skippytjc
I would imagine a HUGE overnight raid using many, many hundreds of aircraft hitting critical communications and air defenses to start. This would continue for a few nights. Once Iran’s military infrastructure was weakened by the nighttime air strikes, strikes would graduate to day time raids as well. After maybe 7-10 days the skies over Iran would be mostly safe for fighter and strike aircraft. After 2-3 weeks the skies would be nearly devoid of Iranian threats and aircraft like A-10’s and C-130 gun ships would be able to operate with minimal risk.

Yes,all this is wonderfull,but you're forgetting the Iranian MRBMs and LRBMs :Shahab-3 with a range of 840 miles and Shahab-4/5/6 with ranges up to 4500 miles.And you have troops in Iraq and Israel is close by.

Originally posted by mad scientist
Look pal, you copied the article almost word for word, don't try and say you didn't plagarise it, please. Anyone who reads the world net daily article can easily see this.

the problem is that i dont read world nut daily, and i never even knew it existed before i joined this site and started reading skippy's posts, pal

i'm sorry that its so hard for you to realize that more than one person can come up with the same theories based on the same data. must be hard being as ignorant and pigheaded as you. you say what i have written in the past is almost a word for word match with world nut's articles? prove it. as i have said, i am a stickler for sources and references, as anyone who has read my other threads about ahmadinejad knows. this will be my last post to you on this subject as you are too damn ignorant to do anything other than continue character attacks. heaven forbid you should actually contribute to the discussion at hand.

Back on topic, as I've said a 20 kt nuke wouldn't black out the East coast and most critical systems would be hardened

this is the second time you've said this without any numbers to back it up...after you said you would do so. guess what? i see those systems every damn day and the are not adequately protected. if you dont have a clue what youre talking about, i'd recommend learning a bit about the subject first before opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

Why would the Iranians do this, use a nuclear weapon against the US anyway, it's tantamount to committing national suicied.

its also the second time that you have said this. once again not reading what others have posted....because the ability to pull this kind of attack off without giving away the source of the attack has been covered twice. what do you do, read every other line or something? or just completely skip over the stuff you dont want to know?

Hello,

Before piping in, let me state that I neither support actions against Iran, nor condemn it, because quite frankly, it's beyond my control (or anyone else here for that matter) so I believe discussions about it is moot/irrelevant.

Ok now to my question, which may or may not have been asked before (not that I'm aware of at any rate) -- how exactly does one shield against and EMP?

Originally posted by Beachcoma

Ok now to my question, which may or may not have been asked before (not that I'm aware of at any rate) -- how exactly does one shield against and EMP?

welcome to the discussion beach.

lead lining is the simplest method. lots of earth insulates pretty well too, so if its far enough underground (and i dont know enough about shielding to really say how deep it needs to be), the equipment should be fairly will protected.

How thick does the lead lining have to be? Will it insulate all the electronics on board? What about aircraft? How do you insulate against EMP on aircraft? Wouldn't lead add to the weight of the aircraft?

Sorry for asking so many questions at once

OOH big bad Iran!


This discussion is based upon many variables which it seems most people are taking for granted.

Firsty, Iran has no capability to launch any kind of effective attack against mainland America. It simply does not have the means.

Secondly, there is no proof that Iran even has a nucleur weapon to trigger an EMP attack.

Thirdly, IF Iran really is exploring this technology, it would simply be as a defence stratagy i.e a detterant to prevent being invaded by the U.S.

Big Bad Iran! With their amazing military capability, worlds largest "defence" budget and their massive arsenal of nucleur weapons!

*SARCASM OFF*

Originally posted by kojac
OOH big bad Iran!

Firsty, Iran has no capability to launch any kind of effective attack against mainland America. It simply does not have the means.

Secondly, there is no proof that Iran even has a nucleur weapon to trigger an EMP attack.

Thirdly, IF Iran really is exploring this technology, it would simply be as a defence stratagy i.e a detterant to prevent being invaded by the U.S.

first, yes it has the means, it has the missle needed. All it needs is a boat to launch it from, and I am sure there are plenty of terrorists out there willing to help with that.

Second, there is an uproar going on right now because they have the ability to create a nuke. Besides that, N.K. has already came out and said they have it. I think what is important is not to concentrate on one country here. They will work together with other countries and masses of people to accomplish what they want. There are plenty of countries, and people who would love to stick it to the U.S. and Europe for that matter.

As for your last comment, I had to laugh. Of course they are working on a defence stratagy. That is silly. They are trying to build nuclear power without the worlds concent, and they want to erace Isreal off the map. Two big things that the world will not stand for. This is what he wants so he is going to do whatever necessary to accomplish this despite what the world says, covering his rear all the while.