Did we descend from apes?? NO

Just think about it if we descend from primates why are there still primates why didnt they evolve also? Is it possible that we were visited from Extra-terrestrials that stayed around? Why are chimps and gorillas still living in forests playing with sticks while we are building highly technological devices?

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Unfortunately your theory holds no ground. Lizards evolved from fish, yet we still have fish.

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All apes evolved from a single common ancestor. We are an ape.

If we are an ape how did we become so clever? Why are all the other groups of apes still living in the wild?

No doubt there was devine intervetion at some point, that is what your should be arguing. When/Why/and Where it happened.

"We are not humans having a spiritual experience, we are spirits having a human experience."

Originally posted by Alien DNA
If we are an ape how did we become so clever? Why are all the other groups of apes still living in the wild?

If you look at us as, just for argument's sake, a "breed" of ape, you can draw a comparison to other species. Look at dogs--some dogs, like Australian Shepards and Border Collies, are extremely intelligent. Other breeds are dumb as a rock. Why do those other breeds exist? They have their own purpose, and it isn't necessarily being intelligent. We've come to create our own purpose for their existance, but they'd exist even without us.

Same thing with birds. Look at the myna bird (I believe that's what it is at least.) There's one they show on television all the time that's smarter than a lot of people I know. But there's still sparrows, robins, starlings, and other birds that can't be trained if their life depended on it. They're all birds, some are just smarter than others.

Why are chimps and gorillas still living in forests playing with sticks while we are building highly technological devices?

Who's to say that makes us smarter? Maybe they know something we don't know. I know I've never heard of a chimp having a heart attack from eating junk food, or an orangutang killing another one because of the color of it's fur. Besides, how bad could that life be--you eat, sleep, and procreate. Sounds better than worrying about paying bills and whether my car will make it to work or not.

Originally posted by Alien DNA
If we are an ape how did we become so clever? Why are all the other groups of apes still living in the wild?

Survival of the fittest.

Our bloodline, just like every other, has evolved to eat food and evade predators. When a new challenge arises the species must adapt or be destroyed. We are different from our cousins because our bloodline has faced different challenges.


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I understand where you are coming from but why are we the only species on earth that have developed technology to travel into space and land rovers on other planets surfaces? Is it in our genes to colonise other planets? which brings me back to the extra-terrestrial theory.

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I understand where you are coming from but why are we the only species on earth that have developed technology to travel into space and land rovers on other planets surfaces? Is it in our genes to colonise other planets? which brings me back to the extra-terrestrial theory.

No it is our consciousness's curiousity to expand. Now that consciosness is what is being discussed, because that is what seperates us from animals. (a horse in the rain hates the rain and knows it sucks, but he doesn't think, why am I out here? Will I be out here tomorrrow? It is the ego-subconscius that differs us).

In the words of the great science fiction author Kim Stanley Robinson, “We are the consciousness of the universe, and our job is to spread that around, to go look at things, to live everywhere we can. It’s too dangerous to keep the consciousness of the universe on one planet; it could easily be wiped out.

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I think it is distinctly possible we have been visited by other beings as we are by far too advanced for this planet , I could be wrong but why are we the only species out of the thousands on the planet to be able to leave earths atmosphere?

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If you believe that aliens spread the first organisms, fair enough, that is quite possible. But to have been put here independently requires ignoring all the evidence linking humans by genetics, fossils, and morphology to other primates. It is still a very slim possibility, but it's much, much more likely we have a common ancestor.

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One question, Alien DNA

From where you get the conclutions that we came from apes?

From what theory do you base this conclution?

I am not saying we don't descend from apes but that there may have been beings from another planet that landed here and maybe if the extra-terrestrials were male maybe they mated with a certain primate after all we are not 100% primate DNA and if we are an ape you would suppose we should.

Personally I truly agree with you on that one, yes I also have the believe that we started as a primitive human form and we were tampered with by a more advance races, perhaps from somewhere else in the universe.

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I am not saying we don't descend from apes but that there may have been beings from another planet that landed here and maybe if the extra-terrestrials were male maybe they mated with a certain primate after all we are not 100% primate DNA and if we are an ape you would suppose we should.

but what is 100% primate DNA?

Every species wiithin each family will have slight differences in their DNA. That's what makes them different species. For example, an African Grey parrot will have slightly different DNA than an Orange-wing Amazon parrot.

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I suppose your right in that respect but why are we so far advanced to anything else on the planet?

And maybe......


Evolution took place naturally and by Intelligent Design we arose.

Just as much evidence to spport that eh?

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I suppose your right in that respect but why are we so far advanced to anything else on the planet?

well that is a good question.

I think it's currently suggested that 2 gene mutations allowed the development of language and brain expansion. Probably more were involved but it's not a bad starting point for divergence from other apes.

But it's a bit like saying "what is it that allowed primates to be more intelligent than reptiles?" As ToE suggests we also have a common ancestor with reptiles.

EDIT: One mutation is the FOXP2 gene...

Molecular evolution of FOXP2, a gene involved in speech and language
Wolfgang Enard1, Molly Przeworski1, Simon E. Fisher2, Cecilia S. L. Lai2, Victor Wiebe1, Takashi Kitano1, Anthony P. Monaco2 and Svante Pääbo1

Language is a uniquely human trait likely to have been a prerequisite for the development of human culture. The ability to develop articulate speech relies on capabilities, such as fine control of the larynx and mouth1, that are absent in chimpanzees and other great apes. FOXP2 is the first gene relevant to the human ability to develop language2. A point mutation in FOXP2 co-segregates with a disorder in a family in which half of the members have severe articulation difficulties accompanied by linguistic and grammatical impairment3. This gene is disrupted by translocation in an unrelated individual who has a similar disorder. Thus, two functional copies of FOXP2 seem to be required for acquisition of normal spoken language. We sequenced the complementary DNAs that encode the FOXP2 protein in the chimpanzee, gorilla, orang-utan, rhesus macaque and mouse, and compared them with the human cDNA. We also investigated intraspecific variation of the human FOXP2 gene. Here we show that human FOXP2 contains changes in amino-acid coding and a pattern of nucleotide polymorphism, which strongly suggest that this gene has been the target of selection during recent human evolution.
Nature 418, 869-872 (22 August 2002)

www.nature.com...

and the second a myosin gene...

Myosin gene mutation correlates with anatomical changes in the human lineage.

Stedman HH, Kozyak BW, Nelson A, Thesier DM, Su LT, Low DW, Bridges CR, Shrager JB, Minugh-Purvis N, Mitchell MA.

Department of Surgery, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104, USA. [email protected]

Powerful masticatory muscles are found in most primates, including chimpanzees and gorillas, and were part of a prominent adaptation of Australopithecus and Paranthropus, extinct genera of the family Hominidae. In contrast, masticatory muscles are considerably smaller in both modern and fossil members of Homo. The evolving hominid masticatory apparatus--traceable to a Late Miocene, chimpanzee-like morphology--shifted towards a pattern of gracilization nearly simultaneously with accelerated encephalization in early Homo. Here, we show that the gene encoding the predominant myosin heavy chain (MYH) expressed in these muscles was inactivated by a frameshifting mutation after the lineages leading to humans and chimpanzees diverged. Loss of this protein isoform is associated with marked size reductions in individual muscle fibres and entire masticatory muscles. Using the coding sequence for the myosin rod domains as a molecular clock, we estimate that this mutation appeared approximately 2.4 million years ago, predating the appearance of modern human body size and emigration of Homo from Africa. This represents the first proteomic distinction between humans and chimpanzees that can be correlated with a traceable anatomic imprint in the fossil record.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Originally posted by Alien DNA
I suppose your right in that respect but why are we so far advanced to anything else on the planet?

Most likely because we killed off the competition.

Edit: I just wanted to add this link to an ATS thread. Homo-Sapien killed Neanderthol...

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Originally posted by Alien DNA
Just think about it if we descend from primates why are there still primates

Please explain why there shouldn't be

why didnt they evolve also?

Adaptation is dictated by selection pressure. Not all primates are going to be under the same conditions and in the same environment and thus not all are goingto be under the same selection pressure.

Is it possible that we were visited from Extra-terrestrials that stayed around?

yes.

However, in so far as we can have evidence about that, there doesn't seem to be any for it, or for alien manipulation of human dna.