Alex Jones arrested for asking Gov. George W Bush a question

It's an old video (hence Gov not pres Bush), but some of you might not seen it.
Seems a bit excessive for asking a question, though maybe he should have been more tactful.

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Interesting, Not surprising. This reminds me of Walter Wolfgang.

Walter Wolfgang, from London, was ejected from the hall after shouting "nonsense" as Foreign Secretary Jack Straw defended Iraq policy.

Source.
More proof if needed, that freedom of speech is, at best, an illusion.

so we should let people near our leaders that are demonstrating aggressive behaviour ? I disagree

free speech means you can get a permit, and demonstrate outside the white house and say anything you want, as long as you don't incite a riot or use profanity. It means you don't go to the gulag for disagreeing with the gov't, as long as you don't commit another crime in the process of expressing your views

it doesn't mean you get to get in a public officials face and cause trouble

thats called disorderly conduct, not free speech

I have to admit, people like Alex Jones, Bart Sibrel, etc all seem to enjoy getting in people's faces rather than act in a proper manner. Maybe they would get more joy if they acted appropiately rather than shout like some sort of loony.

Cindy Sheehan was arrested on Capitol Hill last night. Her "crime" was wearing an anti-war T-shirt.

Was he really arrested? Maybe he was just being escorted out or at most detained. People abuse the term arrest left and right now days... Kinda like how news articals mix up prison and jail. Biiiiiiiiig difference.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Cindy Sheehan was arrested on Capitol Hill last night. Her "crime" was wearing an anti-war T-shirt.

I read she was escorted out because she had a banner. the SOTU address is not the time or place for protesting, imho. She can stand outside the WH grounds and protest 24/7/365, but she is just going after publicity now, and is actually weaknening her position.

please provide a source showing she was actually arrested and charged with a crime.

oops, my bad.....I have to admit, I was wrong, this is BS

villagevoice.com...

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No, any time is a time for protest.

If you disagree with something, having the ability to say when and where you desire that you do is a fundemental freedom. Something that everyone who desires to live in a just society should have.

This whole idea of needing permission to protest, is a laugh. Maybe people need to go research the Civil Rights Movements? Or when women began to protest for the right to vote? Did they wait in line to get permission or go out and attempt to change things?

End of the day, he was being mildly aggressive, but Alex Jones was known back then and he would have been checked for any weapons. It was a simple case of BushCo even then, not willing to answer questions when challenged and this is why we have the situation we do now...where questions are "Proof Read" before interviews by politicions...

Originally posted by Odium
No, any time is a time for protest.

If you disagree with something, having the ability to say when and where you desire that you do is a fundemental freedom. Something that everyone who desires to live in a just society should have.

This whole idea of needing permission to protest, is a laugh. Maybe people need to go research the Civil Rights Movements? Or when women began to protest for the right to vote? Did they wait in line to get permission or go out and attempt to change things?

End of the day, he was being mildly aggressive, but Alex Jones was known back then and he would have been checked for any weapons. It was a simple case of BushCo even then, not willing to answer questions when challenged and this is why we have the situation we do now...where questions are "Proof Read" before interviews by politicions...

true, but there are limits is my point. you do not have freedom to slander, intimidate or incite riots. and when you approach public fugures, you have to be smart. the securty folks don't know if you are attempting an assassination, harmless or what.

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In her statement, Sheehan says:

[Congresswoman] Lynn [Woolsey] brought me a ticket to the State of the Union Address.... I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media and everyone knew I was going to be there so I sucked it up and went.

I think this pretty much says it all. Sheehan is being handled by (as Sheehan herself lists) Congresspersons Lynn Woolsey and John Conyers, Ann Wright, Malik Rahim and John Cavanagh, and who knows who else.

They've jumped on this poor woman like a dog on a pork-chop, and are using her to focus everyone's attention to THEIR political views.

And why not? Sheehan' pathos is newsworthy, just like the litle kid fallen into and trapped at the bottom of a well.

Even her strongest supporters will admit she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer; do you think SHE is the one who sets up the meetings with Hugo Chavez et. al.? Hardly!

She is every much a pawn of the left, intent on their own agenda, as the rah-rah boys and girls are pawns of the right and THEIR agenda.

What kind of saddens me is that most people here simply aren't able to see this. You recognize the sad fools of the OTHER side as being suckered (which they are, of course); but you can't see that those being handled and "pwned" by YOUR side (whichever that is) are just as sad and just as foolish.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so we should let people near our leaders that are demonstrating aggressive behaviour ? I disagree

free speech means you can get a permit, and demonstrate outside the white house and say anything you want, as long as you don't incite a riot or use profanity. It means you don't go to the gulag for disagreeing with the gov't, as long as you don't commit another crime in the process of expressing your views

it doesn't mean you get to get in a public officials face and cause trouble

thats called disorderly conduct, not free speech

You're joking, right? Getting a permit for free speech? You're mistaking a "right" for a "priviledge", and as long as somebody expresses his opinions in a public area or public domain he has the RIGHT to do so, no matter how subversive it is, as long as it is not defamation hate propaganda such as holocaust denying, i.e. as long as it's does not pose legal prejudice against another person. A governor, or president, is a public person, and when you attack him verbally it's not a physical person that you are attacking but the representative of an institution. In this case, freedom of expression applies totally and this is a violation of that right to arrest somebody because he exerted it.

Moreover, nowhere in your Constitution it is written that "freedom of speech" applies only when following guidelines of "behavior" predefined by the government. As I said, unless such behavior is incriminating, no rules, law or policy can negate free speech. If you're certain of the contrary, then bring me theses constitutional acts or amendments that says so! And show me what is this "permit" that allows "freedom of expression" in public?

And asking questions means "aggressive behavior" in your book? Perhaps you think your country should be like good ol' Soviet Union where people get framed or even shot on sight for questionning officials, or the system as a whole, but I don't think America's there yet (although it's getting closer). Alex Jones asked Bush questions that he COULD answer, and he did it in a totally uncoercitive manner (have you seen him bully anyone, or just cutting Bush as he was speaking? No... he even waited until he finished his line!). How do you define "aggression"?

There's a guy here in Canada, Yves Engler, who was arrested for shouting slogans at Paul Martin during an electoral speech.

there are different rules when you are dealing with public figures. I support these.
The good men and women assigned to protect them don't have time to sit down with every knucklehead that approaches them and rationally discuss thier motives.

there is a right and wrong way to go about it. thats all I'm saying.

I also support buzz aldrin punching the tin- foil- hat guy that got in his grill.

freedom of speech doesn't give you cart blanche to be an ass.

When Nixon was president he came here on a brief stop. They parked the plane, opened the door, and two guys whipped open a banner saying "Get our of Vietnam now!" The Secret Service had them on the ground and out of the area before Nixon even got out the door. When dealing with the leader of a country you can't and don't sit there and go up to a protestor and say "Excuse but I see you have a banner, are you planning something dangerous?" You get them out of the area, and you get them out of the area fast.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

I also support buzz aldrin punching the tin- foil- hat guy that got in his grill.

freedom of speech doesn't give you cart blanche to be an ass.

Buzz Aldrin, despite having a celebrity status and being a national hero of sorts, is representing no other institution than himself. When Governor Bush speaks about democracy in America, he speaks in the name of the government he's working for and he is representing a public institution that can be criticized and questionned. If Bush thinks that Alex Jones behavior was disrespectful, defamatory or violent towards his person, then all he has to do is to SUE HIM... but that does'nt justify ripping him off from his freedom of speech. Everybody in America has the right to publicly criticize a leader of State. Contrary to what some people here seem to believe, the President is NOT a god. He's nothing more than an elected public service officer.

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ok, we disagree.


imo, his tone of voice immediately screamed out to everyone in the room...

wacko ! look out ! might have a gun !


I'd recommend he get in touch with some indian casinos, funnel a few million into the republican party, and he might get a meeting.......

Look- what's the purpose of protesting if your leaders don't even know a protest is going on? I'm against this

Loved when Jones told Gurgen he was a Molech worshipping pansy who frolicked naked in the woods with Jeb Bush in Bohemian grove. Classic.



Also, Buzz Aldrin was a Mason and anyone should have a good amount of suspicion over the Masonic symbolism in the Apollo program.

"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." Revelation 18:2, 3.


Who do you think Apollo is in the bible?

Apollyon
[Gr.,=Destroyer], in the Book of Revelation, name of the angel of the bottomless pit. See Satan; hell.

".....Sata seems to have been an underground aspect of the sun, Horus-Ra, corresponding to Apollo’s underground serpent-form Python, whom the Jews called Apollyon, Spirit of the Pit. He was a phallic consort of the archaic Goddess Sati, or Setet, whose name was the same as that of a virgin aspect of Kali, and who once ruled Upper Egypt which was known as the Land f Sati. (See, Larousse, Encyclopedia of Mythology at 37, 335) The god was also called Set – the biblical Seth, who may not have been immortal but did manage to live 912 years (Genesis 5:8)"

Apollo:

Note the name given to this deity on the Homeric hymn:

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Who is Abaddon?

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Just some random thoughts.









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Originally posted by Echtelion

You're joking, right? Getting a permit for free speech? You're mistaking a "right" for a "priviledge", and as long as somebody expresses his opinions in a public area or public domain he has the RIGHT to do so, no matter how subversive it is, as long as it is not defamation hate propaganda such as holocaust denying, i.e. as long as it's does not pose legal prejudice against another person.

Hate speech laws are just as ridiculous, and Unconstitutional, as permits for free speech. Hate propaganda is legal here, because if it wasn't then anything not politically correct could get you imprisoned since it would be "hateful." As long as what someone says doesn't include things like, "I'm going to kill [insert name here]," or, "Overthrow the Constitution by force," it is legal.


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ok, the permit comment was more of a reference to a rally or march or large group of people. I don't want this thread to get derailed by that.

If you want to stand on a street corner in NYC and denouce W all day long, I am 100% behind that.

If W was a true statesman, and his own man, the smart thing would be to let the hecklers speak, as they will dig themselves a hole, and eventually say something that will distract the public from any potentially interesting info. Give them enough rope to hang themselves

but since he is a puppet for his father, and rove is his brain, he basically freezes.



with that said, a surprise confrontation will (deservedly) provoke security into action.

I dont see how Alex Jones wa acting aggresivly, I really dont. He calmly asked the Governer about abolishing the Federal Reserve and the CFR. He didnt sound like a nut, he sounded like an American that wants his country back from the bankers and corporations that stole it from us.

JFK was assisnated for looking at abolishing the Federal Reserve, among other things. Why didnt the president answer that question?

if alex jones wanted to get to a politician, he really is not going about it the right way by pouncing on them during speeches, and blurting out accusations.

he needs to beat them at thier game

raise money.

run for office

make your platform "getting rid of moloch worshipping, child molesting nazi's and the fed"


remember how much publicity that porn star got for running for cali governor in the run off ?


for the record, I have grave suspicions about the fed, and the CFR, but there is a right and wrong way to go about it.



which begs the question, would you donate money to a jones campaign ?