Dec 21st 2012 Facts?

Originally posted by TheGoodDoctorFunk
There will be an alignment, yes.
And it has to do with astrology.

WONDERFUL post... now THAT makes sense. and as you say it is perspective from Earth view...

Okay so its with the Rift not the Plane I will look into that, because I know we crossed the plane 2 million years ago and are moving up and away...

5. The Solar system is also moving upwards, at 90 degrees to the plane of the Milky Way, at 4.34 miles per second or 15,624 MPH. But we are actually leaving the Galaxy, out about 50 light years now and will be moving out to 250 light years before it reverses. We also crossed the Galactic plane 2 million years ago.

6. The Solar system is orbiting around the Galaxy at an "estimated" speed of 124 miles per second [or 200 kilometers per second] which is 446,400 MPH. The way that figure has been calculated can be found at the link below.

Its no wonder that people get confused. They seem to mixup the astrological alignment with the physical equatorial alignment...

Kinda make a BIG difference, especially when one is trying to get credibility. Oh and 446,400 MPH is hardly slow!

Looks like the world actually ends in 1998 as that's when the sun is in conjunction with the galactic equator. Though it doesn't fall into the 'rift' until 2030......

www.astunit.com...

If im not mistaken, the earth completes it 26000 yr cycle of rotating around its axis on the winter solstice 12-21-2012. Which at 00:09 12-22 is my bday. God ill be 43. So if we dont die, shift astral planes, leave on spaceships, crash into another universe, blow up, goto war with aliens, whatever the theory maybe, on 12-22 drinks are on me.

For those interested in what the Mayans, specifically chalum baluum(sp?), think happen at the end of that 13th cycle. Look the guy i just mentioned up. The notch in their time cycle clock that starts that day is interesting. Looks like water cleansing the earth being poured by everybody. Curious interpretations can be made of it. Ive read a crapload of different theories(thanx spanish conquistadors for burning everything...buttheads) and i have no clue whats gonna happen that day.

But for the sake of my daughter, i just hope its another day to see her smiling face, one day older.

Zorgon et al,

Hmmm...all along i've been looking at the alignment as an alignment of the galactic plane. Stuffed up there didn't I, as I thought this was the alignment everyone was talking about...even read numerous sources that said this

Will read further info when I have time.

Also Zorgon, I don't believe it will be an end, per se. I think the worst we will experience is a bit of turbulence and possible shifting but I don't think it's "doom and gloom".

Glad you like you laughter too

Also, you asked me:

"what are YOU doing to get ready?"

Just in case...and because I know someone who has the forsight of Edgar Cayce who's predictions are scary to say the least (ie very accurate), "we" have been setting up a "plot" inland quite a way (on the other side of the fault line) that will cater for a community with lots of items that will be needed "in case there is no electricity"...if you went back to the 40's then that's all the stuff we have (wood heaters etc etc).

If nothing happens then we'll turn it into a "back to basics" retreat of some sort.

Cheers

JS

Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0 Looks like water cleansing the earth being poured by everybody. Curious interpretations can be made of it.

Indeed! A cleansing to those that are enlightened would be a good thing, but to those stuck in their old ways it could speel doom destruction and kaos to their way of life... hmmmm I will have to look up "that guy"

Ive read a crapload of different theories(thanx spanish conquistadors for burning everything...buttheads)

They not the only ones... here is the Library at Alexandria 640 BC

The final individual to get blamed for the destruction is the Moslem Caliph Omar, the Caliph of Bagdad. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." So allegedly, all the texts were destroyed by using them as tinder for the bathhouses of the city. Even then it was said to have taken six months to burn all the documents.

THEN the Christiian book burners come into the picture...

and i have no clue whats gonna happen that day.

Do not worry... the Tibetans have it covered all will be well...

Tibetan Monks Channel Aliens

Originally posted by jumpspace
Stuffed up there didn't I, as I thought this was the alignment everyone was talking about...even read numerous sources that said this

Not your fault. Thats waht a lot of people say and think, but a simple look at any astronomy page gives you the answer I found. I admit I too thought thats what they meant, and wrote that to one site, only to be corrected LOL

Also Zorgon, I don't believe it will be an end, per se. I think the worst we will experience is a bit of turbulence and possible shifting but I don't think it's "doom and gloom".

Well things do seem to indicate SOME change will happen, and because old texts use different calandars its difficult to say when...

Bible said second coming of christ after 2000 years, well its been 2000 by our calendar, [I had the dates by Muslim and Hebrew calendar somewhere

The fallen angels were to be locked up for 1000 years, but when was Day One of the start of the 1000?

Nostradamus? well before the 2nd millenium people used his predictions to say absolutely that the end was 2000, based on the fact that he had no predictions beyond 1999, the only actual date mentioned... and it would coincide with the second coming...

Now all of a sudden Nostradamus has predictions up to 3500 I think is the current number

2000 Armegedon didn't happen
2003 Niburu... didn't happen

So now we can use the Mayan date 2012

I wonder what we will do for the next one? surely we have exhausted all the other religious doom prophesies by now?

Also, you asked me:

"what are YOU doing to get ready?"

Just in case...and because I know someone who has the forsight of Edgar Cayce who's predictions are scary to say the least (ie very accurate), "we" have been setting up a "plot" inland quite a way (on the other side of the fault line) that will cater for a community with lots of items that will be needed "in case there is no electricity"...if you went back to the 40's then that's all the stuff we have (wood heaters etc etc).

Cool! your the first who has actually answered this question

Now lemme ask you where? [No I don't want to come and crash your party, though my army of sword fighters might come in handy LOL]

I ask because you say beyond the fault line, which fault line? And how high above the sea level in case the ice caps melt? The midwest will vanish, a lot of it is already below sealevel. Florida will vanish, and we already saw what will happen in New Orleans...

Yellowstone might blow its top soon... it erupts like Old Faithful every 600,000 years guess what last time was approx 600,ooo years ago and the magma bubble has already tilted the lake by several hundred centimeteres since 1920... [ and the moron scientists want to drill a hole into it]

the way I figure it, Utah, parts of Nevada and Arizona are pretty safe... Paluxy Texas is safe. I have a picture of a shallow river that was there in the days of the Dinos, as it has Dino tracks...It was a river then, its still a river now... pretty stable ground LOL


Canada... now there is some stable rock, unless the ice age comes...

I think I will stay in Vegas... best chance to catch a ride "off world" from here to...

If nothing happens then we'll turn it into a "back to basics" retreat of some sort.

I hear they have a bunch of those in Idaho....

Apophis will strike...

Asteroid size of the Rose Bowl...




You heard it here first.... Now we have an official doomsday incase we survive 2012...

This one will take us out in 2036... Maybe THIS is Nibiru and they got the dates wrong?

It will make a near Earth pass in 2029 first, close enough to see the dimples....

www.pbs.org...

Nasa plans to drop a transmitter on to it so we know were its going...

I am still hiding under my desk from Y2K bug..........is it safe to come out?

Don't worry about Apophis coming to blow up earth,I believe Colonel O'neil and the SG-1 team already solved the problem

Actually, on 12-21-2012 there will be a great "ending" that will effect millions, if not billions of people all over the world!!!!!! 12-21-2012 is a Friday and the work weeks of many people will come to an end until a new cycle begins on Monday 12-24-2012(unless you get Christmas Eve off).

I know that be posting this I am being a smartass, but I did post factual information that can be proven to be true, unless of course working culture as we know it makes a drastic change in the future.

[edit on 12/17/2006 by PapaHomer]

Originally posted by jumpspace

www.holyconspiracy.com...

This isn't a joke, is it? Either way, I'm laughing.

en.wikipedia.org...

If Apophis does hit the earth in 2036 or 2029, or makes a pass so close that it causes Apophis to break apart in our atmosphere, or we try to hit it with a nuclear weapon, we will be in for some serious #. Extinction level event? or damn close to it.

And if it happened, 24 years after 2012, which was a date put forth by primitive peoples thousands of years ago as a 'doomsday' or the end of a great cycle, would it take anything away from their accomplishment? I think not, none at all. 24 years is NOTHING in the scheme of things.. i could see how that culture could've easily miscalculated by 24 years, considering they didnt even have a calculator to calculate with.

I also think the numbers are weird. one two, two one, two zero one two. without the zero, which doesnt exist because zero means nothing, we have 12, 21, (2)12. isnt that kind of strange in itself?

Theres 2 twelves in the date and twelve twice is 24, the number of years after 2012 until the actual extinction level event would occur, according to this hypothetical theory i am pulling out of my ass for sheer comedy value.

You weren't actually following me were you?

[edit on 12/18/2006 by runetang]

Originally posted by Essan
Looks like the world actually ends in 1998

as that's when the sun is in conjunction with the galactic equator. Though it doesn't fall into the 'rift' until 2030......

www.astunit.com...

thank you, for the link.

imho, JM Jenkins makes an eloquent connection...which wasn't the intention of the Mayan calendar.
just as our current system of calander time has years, decades, centuries, millennium cycles,
so were the Mayans' calendars divided into cycles , but theirs was based on the morning/evening 'star' (Venus) which is based on different root-base, instead of our base #10.

the 2012AD date is sure & true, but the "Apparent" crossing out of the Galactic center (birth canal or rift) is more fancy than anything else.
its my contention that the 'passage of the earth into the Light' side of the MilkyWay was not the reason for the Maya calendar end date.(as the 'passage into the Light' actually takes a score of years: as Essan pointed out)

Item #2, i said 'apparent' crossing of the Galactic Plane, into the 'Light'
because as one looks toward the Galactic Center, the nearest stars in your field of vision is some light-years away.
And the Galactic Center (which earth's apparently birthing from) is some 25,000 light-years away.
So we're seen a sun that some 9 minutes away , rising up from the dark place of the MilkyWay thats some 25,000 light-years away (other fixed points of light are some distant galaxies themselves and perhaps millions or billions of light-years away!!

the mystical, spiritual, 'birthing' of theEarth into the Galactic Light is a very poetic scenario...but that wasn't in the minds of the 300BCE-1200AD Mayans, who indulged in human sacrifices galore and cannibalism to boot.
imho. the priests/god-men just kept adding more cycles which had some Venus transit observable events, for the purpose of leading the masses to accept that the priest class & the system in power would endure for an unbelieveable length of time (million+ days! in some cycles)

the 2012 end of civilization, is a beautiful fiction at best,
& the Apocalypse myth blended with the 2012 myth, should actually negate on another, but shrewd minds have woven the idea that each myth supports or else is a re-iterpetation of the other...excellent house-of-cards

dec 21 2012

ok well we have the peak oil energy crisis plunging us into an economic depression worse than the great depression of the 1920's, and we have the advancement of computer power aproaching true AI, and global warming and the gulf stream slowing down and a whole slew of other major events all coming to a boil in the world, all approaching this 2012 date.

i think of 2012 as the beginning of the end. but not the end of the world. just the end of the world as we know it.

I have read alot about this recently, and I agree that its not going to be "the end".
The end of the world as we currently know it. Yes.
Things are going change.
I think Christianity as we know is on the way out.
Naturalist organizations will boom, and people will be overcome by the preservation of this earth. It will be taking the place of organized religion.
Our DNA will change.
We will evolve into a "better human".
We will be using more than 10% capacity of our brains.

I have been looked down upon for the last 10 years or so because of what I think about organized religion. I will welcome the slap in the bible thumpers face.
I hope that by entering into the age of aquarius, that the hatered of the world civilizations, and relgions will cease.
We will all realize exacly how much alike we are.

Is this end the "start" of the "new" long mayan calendar?
It will bring us back to a more natural life style, a renewed appeciation, and preservation of the earth, and of mankind.

I think that if we were knocked back to "cave man" days alot of people would die. Because of their dependancy of the grocery store.

Whats in your garden?
What wildlife do you have nearby to survive off of?
Hmmmm? Makes you think...what if?
Call me crazy or whatever. I'm not a naturalist, but a realist.

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First off, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Robert and my "handle" is
dontwannadie. Now, I'd like to extend that user name to: don't want to die in anything referred to as an "event" or "disaster."
I'm not afraid of death, but would prefer to go quietly and peacefully. Like many human beings walking the planet, I have fears and phobias. That said, I realize that the people who are logging in to this site are attracted to outlandish theories and off shoot ideas. As thrilling as all of this may be at times, there is a risk involved... anxiety. Like children who love a good horror flick, we get a similar effect by scaring ourselves with doomsday scenarios. It's great fun.
I'm with you! I love the thrill of heated debates or coffee fueled rhetoric between fellow conspiracy buffs. We are attracted to the bold statements...
the facts are, usually, significantly less alluring.
There are answers, my friends. There are reasonable explanations for just about everything on this crazy planet. What I'd like to offer this site is a bit of an easy way out for those who are seeking to settle their anxiety.

For those of you who are dreading 2012... even in the deep, seemingly sleepy subconscious... here's a few reassuring statements from sources that know exactly what they're talking about:

On the POLAR SHIFT from NASA... you know how giant tidal waves could cover the earth? The world stops turning? Our DNA is altered? Earthquakes scatter us all into a terrorized frenzy? NO WAY! Not even close...

Recently researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. (fifty years!!!!)
The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR).
"The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.
"Old magnetic fields swept up then should re-appear as big sunspots in 2010-2011." Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012.

What does this mean??? Nothing. What did it mean in 1958?
Northern Lights were sighted three times in Mexico.
This is the worst case scenario. No worries.

But that's the polar shift of the sun, not the earth. What happens then?

Dr. David P. Stern, author of The Great magnet, The Earth, who's Main interests are mapping and physics of the global magnetosphere, also science education and history of science (headed AGU Committee on the History of Geophysics 1981-88, Eos history editor 1999-2001) says...

"Some people worry that during magnetic reversals the Earth would receive a higher dosage of high-energy ions and electrons ("radiation" in common terms), which might affect us and any living creatures on Earth. This is not so. Even today, the magnetic shield is not effective near the magnetic poles, yet the radiation received there on the ground is only slightly higher than anywhere else.

No one knows when the next field reversal will occur: in the past, they have occurred on the average about once in 500,000 years. The change, whenever it occurs, will be gradual and the field will not drop to zero in between--doing so would mean that the magnetic energy of the Earth was somehow converted or dissipated, and all processes we know for this tend to run on scales of thousands of year, if not more.

Right now the main (dipole) field is getting weaker at a rate of about 7% per century, and if you draw a straight line through the points you find it reversing between 1000 and 2000 years from now. It might happen, though the trend may also change before then. But as explained elsewhere, even if a reversal occurs, the field does not disappear during the time of polarity change, it just gets more complex and weaker.

The polar field of the Sun seems to reverse every 11 years or so, taking about a year or more. "

So, that's that. Next... The Mayans.

isn't the Universe expanding, so one day won't that stop happening.

I think Mayan calander was designed to calculate only certain hours using five constants. It has come to an end and that falls on 21.12.2012 that's it.
It is simply a coincidence that Mayan designed calander based on movement of stars and 21.12.12 falls where one of major star farmation would take place. As a result some of solar changes is obvious.

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THE MOVIE WAS CALLED GODS FROM OUTER SPACE AND YES IT WAS TALKING ABOUT DEC 2012

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tell me how we can survive. im only 16 and im terrified to die. PLEASE!!!