Fake Bin Laden used in CIA video footage?

This is quite interesting. I don't know if it's been posted before.



The top right-hand image shows the actual Osama Bin Laden, and the bottom left-hand corner image shows a close up of his face.

The top left-hand image supposedly shows Bin Laden on a video recording confessing to the 9/11 attacks, and there is also a close up of his face on the bottom right-hand corner.

BUT, if you look at the two close ups the faces look very different. Look at the nose - the actual Bin Laden nose is a lot longer, the eyebrows of the actual Bin Laden are a lot bolder than the other person, and just a general comparison of the two faces seems like they are different people.

What do you think?

(I'll never forget the time when Bin Laden said something like "the American people are being fooled by Bush" - he seemed very serious and genuine.)

not only that but he is using his right hand to write in that video when it is well known and even documented by the CIA that he is left handed.


the admission tape is clearly a fake bin laden and the fact that he repeatedly denied the attacks before this dubious tape showed up supports this.

Yeah, it's been posted before, but I don't know if it's had its own topic. If it ever has, it was a good while ago.

This tape, and another tape released a little later, show fake Osamas. It isn't hard to judge; just look to the faces, as you have done here.

This tape is particular was really obvious, though. Aside from the facial things, the quality of the tape was severely diminished from earlier (real) Osama tapes, so this tape was blurrier, though you can still make out obvious facial differences. The tape was also "found" by the U.S. military in an Afghanistan city, after the U.S. bombed the hell out of and claimed to have gone searching through basements and etc., where they allegedly found this tape. And as soon as it was "found," of course, it was blasted all over the media as Osama fessing up.

I never noticed any similar coverage of Osama's Sept. 28th interview with Pakistani press, which I understand has had verified translations by the BBC. In that interview, Osama suggests that factions within the United States or Israel were behind the attacks of 9/11, and that he himself was not involved in any fashion. This wasn't the only time OBL denied involvement, but it seems to be the most available on the internet (which unfortunately isn't saying an awful lot; it's still somewhat rarely hosted). You can find a copy of that interview here.

Those images certainly do look like two different men !!

Here's a link to the 2004 video
Was the 2004 Bin Laden Video a Fake? And If it Is..

I'll be dipped if I can figure out why the powers that be would release such a transparent phony tape. Either they figure people are so stupid that they couldn't tell or that they are so stupid, they wouldn't care. They're probably right. This discrepancy will be buried by the MSM and nothing will ever be mentioned except on conspiracy sites. Move along, nothing to see here.

85% sure its a fake.

I have another question for you people as well. What evidence exists that Bin Laden was the brain child of 9/11/2001 NY/NYC Trade Center attacks?

I only know what I've been told by the media, which sounds credible but how do we know he is not a scapegoat or he is being framed by some other group?

please educate me.

thanks.

85% sure its a fake.

How did you come to that number?

If thats Bin Laden, then Im Queen Latifa. If you look at the video, he writes a note with his RIGHT hand. In his FBI profile, it says he is LEFT handed.

If that is Bin Laden, then he must have had a couple of appointments with the afghanistan nose job company; and must of had a bit too many trips to Afghanistan Mcdonalds, living in his cave, cuz he looks like he gained about 40 pounds.

Hmmm, seems like another fake CIA video to me...

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
If thats Bin Laden, then Im Queen Latifa.

It certainly dosen't look like him..

You know this whole thing really reminds me of the one episode of "The Agency" (a show about the CIA) that I watched. In the one episode, they rigged an election of a soverign nation and created a fake terrorist tape. I certainly wouldn't put it past them... tv show or not I think it cleverly outlines just what the CIA does.

As for USama (and I say that, because its his real name, not the media phony of "OSama" we all have come to know him as) being responsible for 9-11, there is NO real evidence.

This tape in question, as i recall was released about 3 days prior to the US Presidential Election. This is also the only time at which Bin Laden supposidly takes responsibility for 9-11 and this tape is clearly not genuine.

Apart from the hand issues, there are reportedly language issues, and of course, he is wearing a big chunky ring, something the real bin laden supposidly wouldn't do.

On other occasions Bin Laden has denied any responsibility for 9-11, though I beleive once he 'praised' the attacks, he never took responsibility.

Now ask yourself.. isn't the whole point of terrorism, to terrorise people? to scare them?

Why would a terrorist deny responsibility for something that would just make him a bigger terrorist and a more fearsome one.

Originally posted by ekul08

Now ask yourself.. isn't the whole point of terrorism, to terrorise people? to scare them?

Why would a terrorist deny responsibility for something that would just make him a bigger terrorist and a more fearsome one.

That, to me, is the most salient point. Obviously the Bin Laden in the aforementioned tape is a fake, but it does seem odd, since it's such an obvious fake. It's easy to see what the powers-that-be could gain from having a taped Bin Laden confession, even if they had to create it themselves, but one would think that they'd do at least a slightly better job of it...

But the thing that, to me, has always cast the most doubt on any notion that Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks is that he has consistently denied any responsibility for it. Terrorists want credit for attacks-- that's a good part of the point of them. How can one instill terror by NOT attacking people?

So why, if he really was responsible for the attacks, would Bin Laden deny that responsibility?

He would be trumpeting his responsibility far and wide. He'd be calling on all of Islam to follow him, since HE's the one that launched the most devastating terrorist attack ever on American soil. The fact that he has not claimed that responsibility clearly implies that he does not bear that responsibility.

So... to go back. I can see why the CIA would want to have a tape of him claiming that responsibility, since that would serve the dual purpose of justifying the invasion of Afghanistan and tending to discredit domestic conspiracy theories, but why on Earth would they make such a bad forgery? It would almost seem like they wanted it to be seen to be a forgery, and while I certainly wouldn't put that sort of duplicity past them, what could they possibly gain from that?

Originally posted by Bob LaoTse
I can see why the CIA would want to have a tape of him claiming that responsibility, since that would serve the dual purpose of justifying the invasion of Afghanistan and tending to discredit domestic conspiracy theories, but why on Earth would they make such a bad forgery?

I can think of two possibilities:

1) They didn't really care. They knew that the mass media would sell it, and hardly anyone would notice. Most everyone would just eat it up.

2) It was aimed at polarizing citizens: encourage a growing movement of dissidents and then do with them what you will. Sort of like having some control over the enemy they'll eventually be facing anyway: intelligent citizens that see through the crap. Give them stuff to go on, just so you can blow it up in their faces later. I think this may apply to the Pentagon issue, and it looks like they're going to try something similar when it comes to the WTC collapses (if it starts getting coverage, anyway).

Start studying your physics!

Unless the laws of physics were suspended that day, theres no way fires brought down those building. Other buildings have burnt for days, and havent collapsed. These towers? Both down within hours.

Lets not mention building 7, which wasnt hit by anything, but still collapsed.

In fact, here is one of Bush's former minions now admitting WTC story is ''bogus''.

www.americanfreepress.net...

That plus the obviously fake tapes spell out in plain words ''INSIDE JOB''

[edit on 29-1-2006 by LetKnowledgeDrop]

Originally posted by bsbray11

I can think of two possibilities:

1) They didn't really care. They knew that the mass media would sell it, and hardly anyone would notice. Most everyone would just eat it up.

That's the first one that came to my mind too, but honestly-- I would think that even if they didn't care that much, they'd still be able to come up with someone who at least looked marginally more like Bin Laden. Hell, I'm sure that any good casting director would be able to do that in a couple of hours.

Of course, coming up with a good fake Bin Laden that could be trusted to not talk about it later would be a bit tougher... I can see how that could be a limiting factor...

2) It was aimed at polarizing citizens: encourage a growing movement of dissidents and then do with them what you will. Sort of like having some control over the enemy they'll eventually be facing anyway: intelligent citizens that see through the crap. Give them stuff to go on, just so you can blow it up in their faces later.

This is the idea I've been playing with, but again, it seems that they could've made the fake at least a bit more convincing, and that would've served their purposes even better. I sincerely doubt that any of the administration shills hereabouts are going to weigh in on this thread to try to prove that this is the real Bin Laden-- they'd just look foolish trying. If it was a closer match, then that would make for more heated and divisive opinions on both sides.

But I do believe that there's a concerted effort to not only provide propaganda for the use of the administration's supporters, but to also provide propaganda for the (generally misdirected) use of the administration's opponents. I've long been convinced that the charges of Bush's incompetence and stupidity and alcoholism and such have been deliberately fostered to provide his more lazy critics with simple and ultimately unimportant issues upon which to criticize him, deflecting even their attention from the more important issues.

But still-- I don't see how using such a bad fake could possibly benefit them. I would have to guess that it's some combination of all the things mentioned. They would've potentially been hard-pressed to come up with a lookalike who could also be trusted to not talk, and they could certainly count on most Americans, dissipated and distracted as they are, to simply swallow whatever it was they said anyway and those who were willing to stand up and dispute the validity of the tape would be exposing themselves as, as the Soviets would've termed us, "dissidents."

Maybe it was just a rush job, and that was the best they could do. Maybe it was just typical government incompetence. Maybe they honestly believe that most Americans are too stupid and/or too preoccupied to notice. Maybe at that they're right...

It is worth noting that that footage was taken from THE BIN LADEN CONFESSION TAPE....where he confesses to executing 9/11.....this tape is fake. The Bin Laden confession is fake. Al Queda was created and funded by the CIA, admittedly. Who is really orchestrating the terrorism here?

It doesnt help that they do a real sloppy job covering their tracks either. Youd think theyd AT LEAST be able to get someone who looks like him!

OK I agree with all of you that this tape is phony and a really bad job at that. Are there any video or pics of Bin laden denying responsibility for 911? It would be interesting to compare that to known photos of Bin laden as well.

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
It is worth noting that that footage was taken from THE BIN LADEN CONFESSION TAPE....where he confesses to executing 9/11.....this tape is fake. The Bin Laden confession is fake. Al Queda was created and funded by the CIA, admittedly. Who is really orchestrating the terrorism here?

It doesnt help that they do a real sloppy job covering their tracks either. Youd think theyd AT LEAST be able to get someone who looks like him!

Yup. and this tape was released about 3 days prior to the elections, so I guess they figured they only needed to fool 90% of people for a week, and then after then it really wouldn't matter.

Does anyone actually beleive this tape is genuine? I'm just suprised, normally there are at least a few of those blindsighted ones that just fight for the official story.

[edit on 31-1-2006 by ekul08]

It's obviously fake.
However, Bin Laden is firmly in the collective minds of the people as the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks; it has served it's purpose and we have already gone to war.
What difference does it make knowing that this tape is fake?
Apathy is the cornerstone of conspiracy.

True...but maybe by knowing about this fraud, we can stop future events planned (attack on Iran).

Unfortunatly, you have a few souls still blinded by their own ignorance. The light will shine on them eventually.

We can see they are obviously two different people. So, let's look at the CIA and our government for a moment; wouldn't they have been smart enough to see the difference, before they let the film be shown to the public? They could have easily shown us that the guy was a fake.

My question is now, why didn't the CIA or the government come forward telling us that this was definitely a fake? Did they?

This is a very important question to ask yourself.

Troy

Why dosent somone go public about this and building no 7?

I dont think we will ever get another chance like this. They messed up big time.



Anyone know of any other major f*** ups by the cia?

[edit on 31-1-2006 by Tasketo]