Teflon,..aint it great?!

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Yo, Teflon isn't the only culprit here...
link to report

Since World War II, perfluorinated acids have become incoporated into many brandname chemicals because they repel water and oil
and are resistant to heat and chemical stress.
Used in the manufacturing process of Teflon and Gore-Tex,
they are released as breakdown products from Stainmaster, Teflon and the original formulation of ScotchGard.
They are also used to make polymers for aircraft and electronics.

...as for PFOAs being in our blood...

...and (found) in almost all human blood samples that have been tested...

TAF

I think much about our modern world causes cancer, contact with these things should be minimized, and that's the whole damn point to it all. If you can avoid it you should, and if you can't, that doesn't mean to hell with it all and take up smoking, eating paint chips and such. Practice a little moderation. It sucks this is the path of false progress we've taken, but at least we got to understand the world a little better.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Oh no! Something else that causes cancer in lab rats. Good thing we aren't lab rats.

I'm still expecting the study to come out in a few years to show that breathing, walking, chewing gum, having sex, driving a car......all cause cancer.

Breathing in polluted city air is the equivalent of smoking 3 or more packs of cigarettes a day and will likely give you lung cancer.

Chewing gum contains aspartame, read about that in other threads here

Sexually transmitted diseases? no need to explain all of them

Driving a car i dangerous, the new car smell is actually all the chemicals being released from the plastics and is not good for you, not to mention the exhaust emissions.

These are all from a few years ago, haven't you been paying attention?

Originally posted by spacedoubt
And eating Lab Rats..Do NOT eat lab rats..

what if the lab rat is cooked in a teflon lined pan ? Is this double jeopardy, or do the two cancel each other out?
Imagine this, from the same People that brought us "freon" only to have freon 12 outlawed the same year their (DuPont's) patent on it ran out

Mod Edit: Fixed Quote.

[edit on 26/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

I cook in nothing but stainless steel and sometimes iron and have for most of my life. (I'm 35) Why take a chance? I'm sure I've gotten enouch toxics from eating 'out'. I'll admit, my best friend's mom cooks in nothing but teflon so I've gotten alot of exposure there but hopefully she will change that soon!

A lot of hypothesis and little proof. The article concerning Dupont being fined for pollution is for the liquid presence of teflon not the solid state of the chemical. Dupont has stated that pan temp has to be above 400°F before any gases are released and then the symptoms are flu-like.

The anectodal comments connecting alzheimers to aluminum/teflon coated surfaces also lacks proof. We consume more bauxite/aluminum from the veggies grown in our gardens than from teflon scratched aluminum based pans.

The 'henny-penny' type gossip used by many leads to urban legends. Many humorous but not accurate.

I was in the cookware business including non-stick surfaces for over 30 years. Please, please keep throwin' away your old pans and buy new ones. It enriches my lifestyle. (Dividends and profits, you know)

I'm kinda like Cuba Gooding - 'show me the proof'

I was in the cookware business including non-stick surfaces for over 30 years.

Hmmm, I thought so.

400F is not that hard to achieve.

And a few posts back there about ingesting flouride to make it bind with the teflon, well that (flouride) ain't good for you either.
I wonder how many garages and industry use that teflon based lubricant that comes in spray cans?

I used flouride the first 16 years of my life, and the only thing that happened is that I didn't get cavities (I didn't take very good care of my teeth) and I've eaten food cooked on teflon for pertty much my entire life, and funny, I'm not sick, or have health problems or anything else of the sort.

I used flouride the first 16 years of my life, and the only thing that happened is that I didn't get cavities

You are supposed to swallow it, in order for it to be not good for you.
Apparently it makes people docile, is that why municipalities want flouridation?
Who's pushing it, dentists?

Yeah, I swallowed it. It was in the water supply. It didn't make me docile or do anything else to me except give me good teeth.

No argument from you

The world's ending, have at it.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yeah, I swallowed it. It was in the water supply. It didn't make me docile or do anything else to me except give me good teeth.

Err, are you sure it didn't make you believe strange things such as that your teeth are the result of flouridation rather than, well nutrition as a whole?

BTW, flouride added to water is sodium flouride, which isn't the natural variety - Calcium Flouride (that's why comparing flouridated water to green tea is misleading). of course, who actually knows that?!

i know it's OT, but here are a few links to ponder:

essenes.net...

The decline in DMFT (decayed, missing, filled teeth ) of 12 year old children in the USA declined by 25% from 1974 - 1988. The USA is partially fluoridated. Unfluoridated countries the Netherlands, Sweden and Finland had a decline of 36%, 40%, and 47% respectively in 12 year olds for the same period.7

tuberose.com...

the obligatory ATS thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...


and another to show you that fouride isn't a magic bullet and that civilised levels of dental health are not what you think they are:

www.consumerhealth.org...

enjoy.

Uh, yeah I'm sure. I won't bore you with details, but I KNOW that I should be in a lot worse shape than I am right now.

Don't forget that when heated, Teflon pots and pans, as well as other nonstick chemicals, releases a gas that kills birds.

Fortunatly, I was told this when I bought my bird.

Unfortunatly, my neighbor wasn't.

-O

He's a real good reason to NOT use teflon...Taste!!! A good ole fashion iron skillet seasoned right will NOT promote sticking and will make ya eggs just right. Oh don't forget to cook the eggs AFTER the bacon and leave just a little bacon grease in the pan to help flavorfully lubricate those eggs

Got my bird, threw out my new pans. Will we ever have pancakes again?

Apparently teflon in self-cleaning ovens too.

Yeah, this really gets Me. I used it at one time, long, long ago. I have an exotic bird and that's one the 1st things They tell You when You get 'em. They drop like flies if exposed. That's when I figured it was not so good for ya. I never thought of passing it on either, isn't that horrible? Like the 'new car smell', huh?

Originally posted by noonoos
Got my bird, threw out my new pans. Will we ever have pancakes again?

Apparently teflon in self-cleaning ovens too.

Yeah, fortunatly I read about that before I used mine.

You can have pancakes, we have them every Sunday.

Just make sure you open the windows to your kitchen after you cook. Also, keep your bird in a room a good distance away from the kitchen.

From what I've read, you've got to have the pan on a high temperature for a decent amount of time for it to be lethal. Most of the time it will make the bird ill. However, you make them ill enough times they will die, which is what happens to most bird.

My bird is upstairs in the loft, so for us it's not a big deal now. However, I was in a studio apartment, and the window did the trick.

You can also find pans that are avian safe. Do a Google and you can track a few down. I don't own any, so I don't know how much they cost.

-O

Thanks for that, I will have a look.

When we just got our bird we had a guest staying. He was busy making himself a sandwich (the guest not our bird!) when my husband ran in the kitchen and then outside with the still sizzling pan, that we had put to one side (it was the best frying pan in the world so we didn't want to just bin it but after that... bin it we did).
We were slightly paranoid. Our guest slightly confused!
Yes it does help to tell others!

Lots of things poisonous to birds, makes me wonder about those things we breathe in without even thinking about it. Plug in freshners also banned from the house now!