Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple?

Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple? Also, I have heard that in order to reach the higher degrees of Freemasonry, a Freemason must spit on the Holy Cross - quite disturbing, really.

Peace

I am afaid that you have hurd incorredtly. There are no satanic rituals in the either the first three degrees of masonry, nor in any of the degrees between 4 and 32 of the scottish rites.

In free masonry the only rituals are the degrees. Non of the ones I have witnessed, presideded over (all 3 of the first 3 degrees) or even read about, are in any way Satanic. By the way my coach and sponcer in the lodge was a baptis minister, and he told me the same answer before I joined. He was correct then and it is still the truth.

Originally posted by Peace to you all
Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple? Also, I have heard that in order to reach the higher degrees of Freemasonry, a Freemason must spit on the Holy Cross - quite disturbing, really.

No, I have never witnessed any such ritual, nor have I ever been asked to spit on a Cross. Freemasonry holds members from every religion and there would be no reason to single out a cross as there are many who are not christians and for those who are not such a ritual would hold no meaning. Freemasonry is not a religion in and of itself, it does require a belief in One All-powerful Everloving God, but does not specify which you must believe in nor give a promise of salvation of its own.

While ritual is surrounded by symbolism of the religion of the particular lodge (each has its own, most in the US are christian-centered) it does not teach of religion nor expect you to follow a specific path. In fact, discussion of religion in an open lodge is forbidden as it may cause disharmony among members. You can, however, speak of your religion after the business meetings and at other times if you wish to proselytize to the other members.

I am sorry to say this, but Freemasons who claim there is nothing sinister about the whole thing are normally within the 1-3 degrees range. How do you know what goes on at a higher level if you have not reached that level yet? Also, isn't there some oath (even for the first 3 degrees) that states bad things will happen to you if you reveal the secrets? And, there is this thing that states you should look out for your Brothers. Does this mean that if you are a cop, you let people off speeding tickets if they give you a handshake or show a symbol? Does this mean that you can give a Brother a promotion in a major company?

Originally posted by Peace to you all
Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple

But I have attended Optimist club functions, and, well, it's unspeakable.
And the Rotary club meetings, I think I saw one there.
Oh yes, and at the local Lions club's weekly meeting, it was unforgettable.
Talk about a loaded question.

Originally posted by Peace to you all
I am sorry to say this, but Freemasons who claim there is nothing sinister about the whole thing are normally within the 1-3 degrees range. How do you know what goes on at a higher level if you have not reached that level yet?

Been there, done that, no spitting on a cross or anything else, and as of yet the devil has not been seen. If he wishes to be present at the lodge, he will have to submit a petision just like everybody else

lost in the midwest 32nd KCCH.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Originally posted by Peace to you all
Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple

But I have attended Optimist club functions, and, well, it's unspeakable.
And the Rotary club meetings, I think I saw one there.
Oh yes, and at the local Lions club's weekly meeting, it was unforgettable.
Talk about a loaded question.

Don't forget the Men's Welfare League groups......
I've heard they spit in their coffee after meetings!!!

Mason rituals are based on OLD traditions from MANY years ago. Back then, EVERYthing was ritualistic!! Just because they choose to keep those old traditions alive does not mean they're evil. Infact, I admire it.
Jeeeeeepers, I mean....look at the ritual aspects of the great awe inspiring Catholic Mass.....incense burning etc on certain days of the year....
funny how its ok for the CHURCH to have rituals, but not anyone else imo

Originally posted by Peace to you all
Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple? Also, I have heard that in order to reach the higher degrees of Freemasonry, a Freemason must spit on the Holy Cross - quite disturbing, really.

I've been to several Satanic rituals (not in a Masonic Lodge)... and even they didn't spit on a cross.

I guess it would help if people explained what they mean by Satanism. The blood drink, virgin sacrificing type shown on TV. Or the original kind focused on life, the earth and perfection of self.

Originally posted by Peace to you all
I am sorry to say this, but Freemasons who claim there is nothing sinister about the whole thing are normally within the 1-3 degrees range. How do you know what goes on at a higher level if you have not reached that level yet?

The "1-3 degree range" is the most important. Those of us who have received the additional degrees still recognize that.

Secondly, no, there is nothing "sinister" in the higher degrees. The charge about spitting on the cross was actually first used (falsely) against the Knights Templar way back in the 12th century.

Also, isn't there some oath (even for the first 3 degrees) that states bad things will happen to you if you reveal the secrets?

Masons who violate any part of their obligation are subject to censure, suspension, and/or expulsion, depending upon the gravity of their offense.

Also, isn't there some oath (even for the first 3 degrees) that states bad things will happen to you if you reveal the secrets?

A member, apparently, swears an oath in which he states something like his throat will be slit ear to ear if he reveals the secrets of recognition, which are usually portions of the rites.

I have been through the Blue Lodge, Chapter, York Rites/Knights Templar and am also a Shriner.

Never have I seen or heard or been given a hint to a reference, nod towards, or embracing of Satan. Implications and supposition about many organizations that include religious ties and/or overtones have been rampant throughout history.

I do not feel that defending Masonry is a position we Masons embrace, but I for one, will not go unheard when my Christianity or a Brother's Judaism is jeopardized or lessened in the mind of others who want to label us as Satanists, Wiccans, or any other black arts practitioners.

to be frank (im earnest next week) even if their was anything sinister evil or manipulating aspects about them then they wouldnt admit it here, they are under oath after all.

think about it if you the devil your gonna hide, not shout it out at the top of your voice.

if masons are evil, and thats a big if, then their probalably only on this site to discredit the truth about them, but thats only one perception.

Originally posted by Cug


I've been to several Satanic rituals (not in a Masonic Lodge)... and even they didn't spit on a cross.

Cug, just out of curiousity, do you mean functions held by the Church of Satan, or Temple of Set, or something different?

As an afterthought, I once read an article by a guy who stated that the only thing lamer than founding an organization called "Church of Satan" was to found such an organization, and then try to legitimize it. This may not have been completely fair to LaVey, but at least it was witty.



[edit on 26-1-2006 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Peace to you all


Secondly, no, there is nothing "sinister" in the higher degrees. The charge about spitting on the cross was actually first used (falsely) against the Knights Templar way back in the 12th century.

I have a question Masonic Light . If someone did happen to spit on a cross, is that such a horrible sin? I mean were supposed to embrace christ right not that hideous cross. I hear people telling me all the time you need to get saved before you die son, you never know when your time is up on earth. I ask them saved from what, why do I need saving?? I never even asked to be here.

Originally posted by Burnt Offering

I have a question Masonic Light . If someone did happen to spit on a cross, is that such a horrible sin? I mean were supposed to embrace christ right not that hideous cross.

In Christianity, the cross is a holy icon because it represents God's love to humanity, shown in the sacrifice of his son. In the Egyptian and Greek mysteries, the cross was also holy because it represented infinity. Naturally, if someone spit upon one, it would bring out the ire of many a pious soul.

Whether the act of spitting on a cross is "bad in itself", I really don't know, but it would be extremely disrespectful of the beliefs of others, and therefore would at least be rude. In any case, there's no spitting on crosses in Freemasonry.

I would like to pick up on the point that Judgeofdarkness made. Freemasons swear on oath never to reveal any secrets, so Judgeofdarkness was right - you wouldn't admit anything anyway. Have you heard about this guy who wrote a book called "The Brotherhood", which revealed some of the secrets? He died soon after it was published. Is this just a coincidence, or was he gotten rid of?

Originally posted by Nygdan

Also, isn't there some oath (even for the first 3 degrees) that states bad things will happen to you if you reveal the secrets?

A member, apparently, swears an oath in which he states something like his throat will be slit ear to ear if he reveals the secrets of recognition, which are usually portions of the rites.

Actually, as a Master Mason, I can tell you this.

First.

I have never, would never promise to hurt another person, for any reason.

Second.

The only time I've heard of a mason asking another for special treatment was at a trade show, where a mason asked a fellow mason for a better booth he hadn't paid for. The brother mason asked for his lodge number, and filed a complaint about it. The brother was disciplined.

As a mason, and a commissioned law enforcement officer, I never heard of a person recieving a "pass" on a ticket. The one person who asked was told "you of all people should know that masonry respects the law . . ."

Third.

In ancient times, LIKE IN THE BIBLE, the way of showing earnestness was to say. "So and so is true . . . and as the LORD lives, my such and such horrible things be done to me if I fail to keep my word."

Basically, the ancient equivalent of "If I'm lying, I'm dying."

Is that any worse that "so help me God!" It is certainly more Biblical.

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Apparently, this photograph shows a Masonic ritual.




Is it me, or is this a bit bizarre??

Without understanding the symbolism, yeah, I'm sure it does seem bizarre.



I thought the same about the Catholic Eucharist, until I understood the meaning behind it.

At face value, much of the ritual and tradition of just about any human organisation dealing with esoterica can seem strange to the uninitiated / outsider / ignorant*

(* - not intended as an insult)