JFK assassination and the Orange Lady theory

Recently I have been examining a lot of information on the JFK assassination. I came across a great website that breaks down the Z film frame by frame:
www.assassinationresearch.com...

And I noticed that from frames 287 - 313 there is a strange woman wearing an orange outfit watching the limo go by. There is a woman next to her that is taking pictures. But, this orange outfit lady is doing something strange with her hands. It appears she may have a small caliber weapon or perhaps even a dart-type weapon. It looks like she may have been the source of the shot to the neck. Perhaps it was a poison dart. Some people in the past have spoken about "umbrella man" who may have shot a poison dart at JFK....but, this seems pretty obvious that this orange dress lady is up to something here. I wonder why no one has ever mentioned this orange dress lady before?

In frame 310 it appears she has just shot something and you can even see a trail that is perfectly aligned with her hands. It also looks like her hands are positioned as if firing something. Frame after frame, her hands are always together. Something is up with that lady!

I dont know about the woman, but when I, for the first time in my life, saw the look on jackies face when he is shot, the still photos are horrific. I had a horrible feeling in my body by looking at her face. I couldnt imagine being in her shoes during that. I am so saddened by it.

Just look at her face, she is so horrified, scared to death. Man, that was hard to look at.

Train

Also in frame 287 everyone in front of the Prez is looking back and by frame 290 everyone is ducking except Jackie. Frame 290 is where the limo is pulling abreast of the Orange lady. Giving her a very good line of site if she were to have fired a weapon. I ran the frames through some filters and I don't know if I could say she is holding a weapon. Of course I'm probably the only person who doesn't see a face on Mars in those photos.
I'll run some more frames and see what happens.
Good eye E_B

Sorry, no disrespect but i dont buy it.

it looks to me like a woman holding her purse. the strange thing to me is the guy to her right still clapping as all this is going on.

1) Why would anyone wanting to hide themselves wear bright orange? and stand out in broad daylight? If "she" wanted to make a statement would she not have taken credit for the shooting?

2) there is no way to tell from that video if she did anything, the only "strange" thing about her is maybe her fashion sense of wearing bright orange.

3) the next post about everyone in the car ducking except for jackie, i am not sure what that prooves either, that she did it? nor can you really see an obvious ducking by everybody. i would imagine jackies shock and having her husband bleeding from the neck right next to her as distraction enough to not hit the deck.

all due credit for thinking outside the box, but this needs more backing than just this video. everyone in the line along the street could be seen as doing something strange.

again, i dont want to be an asshole here, just my thoughts.

The reason I mentioned Jackie not ducking is because in a gubmint op such as this where the driver was the insurance(i.e. there to make sure things went according to plan) the possibilty exists that she knew this and therefore had no need to duck. Unlike in the movies the USG always send in someone close as an insurance. Usually disguised as a driver or valet. Their sole purpose is to make sure the hit results in the desired effect-death.
If Jackie was aware of this then she would feel no need to duck. Connally on the other hand was unaware of the goings on.

Oh dear....

the lady behind the others slightly and who I presume you are calling "orange Lady" is known in research circles and famous worldwide as being the Babushka lady,

In 1970's a woman Named Beverly Oliver came forward claiming she was the Babushska Lady. Beverly Oliver claimed the Vid Cam she was filming with was confiscated and never returned.

The man next to her is Charles Brehm and his son. and on the other side of her is Mary Moorman who is taking the polaroid that is now famous and In the red coat is Jean Hill aka the woman in red.

I believe Beverly worked at one of Jack Ruby's clubs. It has never been succesfully proven that her claims of being the Babushka lady are accurate. No one can verify her prescence there at the scene.

If you mean red coat not orange then it is Jean Hill you are discussing, but her coat is pretty red not orange.

[edit on 24-1-2006 by Mayet]

Originally posted by Mayet
If you mean red coat not orange then it is Jean Hill you are discussing, but her coat is pretty red not orange.

[edit on 24-1-2006 by Mayet]

It does look kind of orange, no?

thank you so much for the info.

The thing about the umbrellas that was strange was that it was supposed to be a beautiful day with no rain forecast, yet at each turn a large black umbrella was opened just as they made the turn. It was said to be held high as if the owner was holding it with their arm fully extended, which is not the normal way one carries an open umbrella.

That means that several people were along the route and all of them had identical umbrellas and each was opened and held high at each turn along the way. Many believe these extended umbrellas were almost marking the path for someone. It either had something to do with the assassination or is just a really strange coincidence that they were all the same and each opened at the time his limo made the turn along the route.

Here is a great website that has lots of photos and interviews
whatreallyhappened.com...

Discovery Channel just showed "JFK: Beyond the Magic Bullet". They did the most indepth analysis of the Zapruder Film I've seen yet, down to recreating the sounds of the day, and recreating the "magic bullet shot" using the same gun, from the same distance, with almost identical results. They proved that you CAN shoot the gun that was used in the Book Depository as fast as it was shot, and it WAS accurate. The only difference between the real shot, and their shot was that in the test, it skipped off two ribs when it went through the "Governor" instead of one rib, so it didn't penetrate his leg as it did in real life. Other than that it was identical.

Here is something that will blow your mind, look at the date on the document and at first I thought it was just a typo but also see stamped date at the bottom.
www.jfkmurdersolved.com...

Recently I have been examining a lot of information on the JFK assassination

Could you post some of your examinations because the tinies bit of research turns up names and statements of either of the ladies in question,so is it Beverly Oliver or Jean Hill?

The hardest part about coming up with a new theory and actually getting to name your own character is all the work it takes to find someone that nobody else in 40 years has bothered to look at.You have to find someone with no witness statements,no Warren reports somebody that has been made invisible for 40 yrs.So when you come up with a main character thats been ignored for 40 years id be more than happy to help with any research.

Then when your email fills up with people that have lots of letters following their names you will worry so much less about people with no research poking fun because their bored.



Zaphod..Did the bullet come out pristine on the wrong stretcher in Parkland?




[edit on 24-1-2006 by jimstradamus]

I believe Beverly worked at one of Jack Ruby's clubs. It has never been succesfully proven that her claims of being the Babushka lady are accurate. No one can verify her prescence there at the scene.

Mayet..she wasn't carrying a camera as you mention in another post. She has her hands together around waste height the whole time and as I mentioned, if you look at frame 310, it appears she has just shot something as there is a trajectory trail coming from her hands to the direction of the limo that can be plainly seen.

If she is this Beverly and was friends with and worked for Jack Ruby, that makes the plot get even thicker. Now, I guess we can't prove this Beverly was the one wearing the orange dress, but somebody was and that somebody fired something at the president.

Now somebody said why would she wear orange if she was out to harm the president? Hey, sometimes the best way to hide is in plain sight!!

She shot something from her waist? Man I'm IMPRESSED! It's hard enough to hit a moving target with your arm extended actually using the sites, let alone shooting from the hip blindly.

the tinies bit of research turns up names and statements of either of the ladies in question,so is it Beverly Oliver or Jean Hill?

It wasn't Jean Hill and probably not Beverly Oliver either. Beverly Oliver claimed to be the Babushka Lady but she also claimed to have a camera at the scene. The lady in orange has no camera. Just something concealed in her hands that appears to be fired in frame 310 (note the trajectory). So, it appears it is neither of the women you mention! Of course, Beverly could have SAID she had a camera when in reality it was a weapon!!

I don't know the identity of the woman in orange, thus the name of the theory: The Orange Lady Theory. If I knew her name, I would use her name in the theory!!

She shot something from her waist? Man I'm IMPRESSED! It's hard enough to hit a moving target with your arm extended actually using the sites, let alone shooting from the hip blindly.

Maybe she missed. There were many shooters there that day and we know some of them missed. I don't think she was shooting blindly if she had her eyes open. You'd be amazed at what a trained assassin is able to do compared to other people!! They are not like other people.

And they're also not like in the movies. They're only human.

So how many shooters were there? Everything I've ever watched has only been able to pick out 4 shots, including some serious computer analysis of the Zapruder film.

So how many shooters were there? Everything I've ever watched has only been able to pick out 4 shots, including some serious computer analysis of the Zapruder film.

I have heard many reports of 6 shots. Three that hit the president and three that missed. One hit a curb, one hit a wall and grazed a man's face and did the other hit a sign? I forget all the details. But, from my memory and reasearch, I have heard of at least 6 shots!

How many shooters? Does anyone really know?

Did you know that your lady was one of at least 4 witnessess that described brain blood a skull blowing out the back of kennedy's head and all over the the windshield and arm of the driver in the followup car,blood and brains splattering over the police men to the left rear of the limo and theres doctors reports of the back of kennedy's head been blown out.

Now keep studying the Zapruder film and notice how the blood all blows forward,up and towards the camera and actually disipates in 3 frames..impossible.


Your lady was fairly close to Secret Service Special Agent and driver of the followup car who had this to say about the wound to kennedy's head.

"He had no brain left,it was blown out.....there was nothing left....I saw it hit and i saw his hair come out...i had brain matter all over my windshield and left arm.Thats how close were to it.It was the right rear part of the head,because thats the part i saw blow out.I saw hair come out,the piece of skull blow out,then the skin went in,an explosion in and out"


Reliable witness but the Zapruder film shows nothing even close to what these witnesses describe.



Your lady is also close to Mr Brehm and his lightning fast son who can go from standing behind his father,whip around him turning sharply and come to a complete stop on a dime with no need to steady himself while clapping
and he does this in just over half a second. Impossible.



Have you figured out who your lady is yet ?




All about Zapruder faking www.assassinationscience.com...



[edit on 24-1-2006 by jimstradamus]

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy

I believe Beverly worked at one of Jack Ruby's clubs. It has never been succesfully proven that her claims of being the Babushka lady are accurate. No one can verify her prescence there at the scene.

Mayet..she wasn't carrying a camera as you mention in another post. She has her hands together around waste height the whole time and as I mentioned, if you look at frame 310, it appears she has just shot something as there is a trajectory trail coming from her hands to the direction of the limo that can be plainly seen.

It depends which lady we are talking of. Jean Hill in the red coat or the Babushka lady in the Orangy/brown coat. Could you clarify that for me?

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
It wasn't Jean Hill and probably not Beverly Oliver either. If I knew her name, I would use her name in the theory!!

If its the lady in the red coat on the left side of frame 310 then its Jean Hill as I previously asked.

Her testimony is readily available all over the net. She already has a name and is famous as "the woman in red"



You may also like to examine how little she moves during the Zapruder film and yet she speaks of being very animated during her statements. One JFK author and serious researcher stated that she looked very much like a wax dummy during the film. Especially when compared to someone say like the Green man's hand movements during the Zapruder film.

The testimony's spoke of seing Jackie and Johns attention drawn towards a little dog between them on the seat and she was ridiculed and laughed at by people worldwide for that statement. It wasn't until 25 years later that it was revealed that Jackie had in fact been given a lamb chop sock puppet that was in the car.

Mrs Hill also said she ranup the grassy knoll straight after the shooting, almost knocking over one of the motorcycle escorts. This is not seen in any film or photo. In fact in the Bond pictures, I think 5 and 7 off the top of my head, showed she was standing and then sitting next to Mary Moorman for at east a minute after the assassination. I may have got the bond photo number a tad wrong, its 1 am here and I am tired. Anyhows its two out of the Bond Photos.They number 4 to 9.

Once again, either Mrs Hill is wrong, which she wasn't about Lambchoppie apparently, a point used to discredit her testimony, or the photos and films lied. She spoke during the WC of being ridiculed about thedog/sock puppet. She made quite a few statements over the yeas that did vary in points as time went on. Jean Hill died just a few years ago.

Yes yahhh a witness that was called to the Warren Commission. Funnily enough, Mary Moorman who was standing next to her and took the polaroid, the famous photo which was used during the Warren Commission, was not called.


[edit on 24-1-2006 by Mayet]