The road to enlightenment causes an about face

For a long time now I have had a thirst for knowledge, particularly in the science fields and mainly in physics. I enjoyed learning more and more about light, space and the Universe. As I acquired more knowledge I built up the illusion that I was gaining a better understanding of the way it all comes together. I used to think scientists are the ones to look to for answers, and that eventually all will be answered through science. How wrong I was!

A couple of months ago I was watching a documentary about Einstein, and they touched on the subject of Quantum Physics. The underlying message I got from this was that quantum physics is unpredictable and opens up unlimited possibilities. As I investigated more about it I realised that one very big possibility was that everything we knew very little about physics or anything else science related for that matter. At first I felt disillusioned and disheartened by this. Everything I thought I knew might be no more. What was the point of learning more about science if the teachings were wrong?

Despair not! One of the theories the Quantum Physics raised involved higher dimensions and parallel universes. This is what led me to this website, and what a difference it has made! My eyes have been opened, and I now realise that there is so much more out there than I ever imagined. The possibilities are endless and even more amazing, these possibilites are ALL likely probabilities.

Ironically, I look back now to a couple of months ago and realise that science is the big loser in all of this. Science is still largley closed off to the greater reality of existence. Where once I turned to science for knowledge, it now seems that science is dogged by ignorance. My whole perspective on existence has taken an about face.

I can remember looking around my physical surrounds and craving for there to be more to it than this, now I think perhaps my physical surrounds are not even there! Sometimes I look back and think the simplicity of what I saw provided comfort and security, now knowing as little as I do can be a bit daunting. Ultimately however, I can take comfort in the fact that my quest for knowledge is not bound by the limitations of science. Where once I could only hope to learn about the Universe from books, I can now explore it and learn from my own and others experiences.

I have had a somewhat similar experience over the last several years, and started questioning lots of what was taught to me in school. I think string theory and quantum mechanics is very interesting stuff, and will hopefully make some real breakthroughs in the future.

I have been meaning to read Michio Kaku’s book “Hyperspace” as it was highly recommended to me, and supposedly provided a very easy to understand explanation of lots of things to do with this topic. I figured I would mention it in case anyone else has read it and wants to share, and because you might want to check it out.

I came across this thread the other day and thought you might find it interesting. Providing you have an open mind it makes a lot of sense.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Often not thought of as the most credible sources, musicians and other artists seem to have a much better understanding of the greater existence than they are given credit for. Only the other day, I was listening to the lyrics of the music that was playing in my car and the way to work and it really seemed to indicate a greater awareness than that commonly demonstrated in society.

Have not read that book yet, but Michio Kaku, imo is the most enlightened soul in the science field.Second in line would be Stephen Hawkings although he is in such terribe shape, he SPEAKS and when he does, others listen.
Perhaps he was destined to be so dis-figured so that some of the skeptics would listen to him?

For a long time now I have had a thirst for knowledge, particularly in the science fields and mainly in physics. I enjoyed learning more and more about light, space and the Universe. As I acquired more knowledge I built up the illusion that I was gaining a better understanding of the way it all comes together. I used to think scientists are the ones to look to for answers, and that eventually all will be answered through science. How wrong I was!

Why would you think science will come up with all the answer's? Science will never come close to having all the answer's. I thought everyone understood this?

A couple of months ago I was watching a documentary about Einstein, and they touched on the subject of Quantum Physics. The underlying message I got from this was that quantum physics is unpredictable and opens up unlimited possibilities. As I investigated more about it I realised that one very big possibility was that everything we knew very little about physics or anything else science related for that matter. At first I felt disillusioned and disheartened by this. Everything I thought I knew might be no more. What was the point of learning more about science if the teachings were wrong?

QM can be quiet an oddity, but it apples only to the micro. Everything we know about physics is still right. QM also doesn't apply to other science's really, as it's sole mechanism of operation is at the plank level.

Despair not! One of the theories the Quantum Physics raised involved higher dimensions and parallel universes. This is what led me to this website, and what a difference it has made! My eyes have been opened, and I now realise that there is so much more out there than I ever imagined. The possibilities are endless and even more amazing, these possibilites are ALL likely probabilities.

I once thought this same exact thing when I first learned of QM! I started thinking this could be the answer for everything supernatural, psychic power's, ghost's all that mystical stuff. Then I started to learn about it more and the science behind it. It's not quiet exactly like that, even though initially it may appear that way.

Ironically, I look back now to a couple of months ago and realise that science is the big loser in all of this. Science is still largley closed off to the greater reality of existence. Where once I turned to science for knowledge, it now seems that science is dogged by ignorance. My whole perspective on existence has taken an about face.

It almost sounds like you've perhaps gotten confused about QM and decided that it was evidence against everything we know? This is far from that though. The only ignorance in science is ignorance in what sciene has yet to discover, but this doesn't invalidate everything else discovered by science. In the case of QM, we're learning more about how physical processes work thanks to this discovery.

I can remember looking around my physical surrounds and craving for there to be more to it than this, now I think perhaps my physical surrounds are not even there! Sometimes I look back and think the simplicity of what I saw provided comfort and security, now knowing as little as I do can be a bit daunting. Ultimately however, I can take comfort in the fact that my quest for knowledge is not bound by the limitations of science. Where once I could only hope to learn about the Universe from books, I can now explore it and learn from my own and others experiences.

I think I now understand ... Everything is still there. Reality is very much real. I know it might sound strange and all knowing that the space inside of atoms is rather big (on a small scale), but the force's holding them together create's this 'physicallity' of the atoms. Electric charge's repelling off other like charge's make objects appear solid, etc. At a very basic level, it's all just forces of varying frequencies at play, but the physicallity of matter is still very much real and there.

But it does sound like you've always had that yearning for the 'mystical' and have allowed such thing's to shape your worldview. In some cases, depending on the severity, this can be rather harmfull. I'd be cautious in how far you jump down the rabbit hole. Trying to heal yourself with crystals (if that's your thing, and not saying it is, just an example.) isn't going to help.

The holographic universe is a pretty interesting theory, one invented by Bohm and Pribram out of dis-satisfaction of science not having all the answer's. They basically came up with this 'mystical' universe where reality isn't real. The holographic universe theory would have you believe that matter and energy don't really exist and that reality doesn't exist and everything is just in your 'mind'. If you look into the HU theory you can see that all it tries to explain really is supernatural happenings. Lucid dreams are now part of visiting parallel universes despite everything we know about the science of dreams. HU is used to explain paranormal events, as if it's saying, well if the universe is a hologram then it explains these things. Unfortunately, there's no actual evidence for the universe being a hologram. If you look at all the websites in favor of this theory, it's mostly paranormal or magick people or spiritual people. What ID is to evolutionary theory, HU is to physics. Just another way of trying to step away from learning and write a more mystical story for the universe.

Ask yourself, do we all live in the same hologram or do we each construct our own hologram? If we construct our own hologram then everything and everyone we know around us, are they really real? Are our parent's really our parent's? If not, do we really have to listen to them or can we just "will" them away when they makes us upset? How does the mind construct such a complex holographic reality? If the holographic universe is real and constructed by our individual minds, what's this mean of god, he would have to be a construct of the mind as well. There are so many philosophical questions that can show how the holographic universe is bunk.

[edit on 25-3-2006 by Prot0n]

I am not interested in finding out more about Quantum Mechanics. I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't think Quantum Mechanics has the answers, I was just providing an insight into how my eyes were opened and the role Quantum Mechanics played in alerting me to the Greater Reality.

It seems you've gone to a fair bit of effort to "educate" me, and I appreciate that, but it's really not necessary. I have no interest in learning any more about scientific theories, as I don't feel science has much to teach in regards to enlightenment, hence the about remark.

I apologise if I have wasted your time.

Originally posted by mytym
I am not interested in finding out more about Quantum Mechanics. I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't think Quantum Mechanics has the answers, I was just providing an insight into how my eyes were opened and the role Quantum Mechanics played in alerting me to the Greater Reality.

It seems you've gone to a fair bit of effort to "educate" me, and I appreciate that, but it's really not necessary. I have no interest in learning any more about scientific theories, as I don't feel science has much to teach in regards to enlightenment, hence the about remark.

I apologise if I have wasted your time.

I'm saddened you feel this way towards scientific progress. Without these new theories we'd still be stuck in the dark ages and still dying at the age of 30. You should be thankfull that a science and medical technology advanced away from the spiritual in order to give you the long life you have today and given you the technology to voice your own opinions. And one should always strive to learn more about the world around them, it's only through learning do we gain a better understanding of our universe.

I thank you for your concern, but once again, i think you misunderstood me. I agree, that we must continue to learn, and I indeed intend to do so, and have been doing so at an increased rate in recent months. I just don't achieve this education through the flawed teachings of science.

If you wish to discuss my reasoning why feel free to respond in the thread below, as that is not the purpose of this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The purpose of this thread is to here the views of others who have had their eyes opened and the effect it has had on the conventional teachings they knew to that point.