ATS Air Force

The ATS Air Force is defending our world against BTS and PTS. They need decent aircraft, Which aircraft would be the best for us?

Heres my choice

Trainer Aircraft:

TA-4 Skyhawk
F-7D Cutlass- May come as Reserve Fighter

Attacker Class:

A-4 Skyhawk
A-5 Vigilante
A-7 Corsair
A-10 Warthog

Standard Fighter Class:

F-16 Falcon
F-20 Tigershark
F-21 Kifir
Mirage F-1, 2000

Medium Fighter Class:

F-4 Phantom
F/A-18 Hornet
Eurofighter Typhoon
Tornado
F-35 JSF

Heavy Fighter Class:

F-14 Tomcat
F-15 Eagle(Including proposed naval variant)
F-111 Aardvark

ATF:

F-22 Raptor
F-23 Black widow 2

Troop Transport:

C-46 Commando
C-47 Skytrain
C-123 Provider
C-130 Hercules
Transall C-160
Short Belfast

Heavy Transport:

C-141 Starlifter
C-5 Galaxy
C-17 Globemaster 2

Tankers:

KC-10 Extender
KC-135
KB-47(Proposal)

Choppers:

Sea Knight
Chinooks
Pumas
Super Frelon
Seabat/Choctaw

Attack Choppers:

AH-56 Cheyenne
AH-64 Apache
RAH-66 Commanche

Stealth Fighter:

F-19 Specter

Bomber:

B-47 Stratojet
B-1 Lancer

AWACS Plane:

EB-47(Proposal)

Recon Planes:

SR-71/A-12 Blackbird
Aurora

Homeland defence fighter:

F-106 Delta Dart

High Altitude Interceptor:

F-12 Blackbird
Interceptor version of Aurora

Our Black Project:

????????????????
For all of us to decide

Maybe this ATS1 were all on about!

Naval Aircraft will also be used in this thread.

The ATS world will be equivalent to NATO

BTS will be the role of the Warsaw Pact

PTS will be the rest of the world/Uncomitted Nations

Who will design our ATS Air Force Logo?

All three worlds are against each other.

LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

















[edit on 19-1-2006 by Browno]

Your list needs trimming.

Trainer Aircraft:

TA-4 Skyhawk
any 2 seat version of below aircraft.
Simulators

Attacker Class:

AC-130U (hey, it's named after the apparent mascot around here!)
A-10 Warthog

Medium Fighter Class:

F-35 JSF
F-16 Falcon

Heavy Fighter Class:

see below, under "Stealth Fighters"

Troop Transport:

C-130 Hercules

Heavy Transport:

C-5 Galaxy
C-17 Globemaster 2

Tankers:

KC-135
KB-47(Proposal)

What about KC767 tankers / Awaks they have more range and better avionics than the KC10 and KC135

Also what about the new 737 navy patrol to replace the PC-3 Orion

At least make it a bit of a challenge for yerselfs!!

Anyone could pick half the best planes on the planet! Set yourselfs some kind of imaginary budget, give each plane a budget rating then take your picks and argue your selections.



Bit like fantasy football (I dunno if anyone will know what I'm on about though)

Hey, I tried imagining it was on a budget, which is why I scrapped half the planes on the first list. (of couse, now that I look back on it, I realise I put "Variety of H-64 airframes" where I meant "H-60" airframes. DOH!)

C-130 Varients for:
Transport
surgical strike
Refueling of helos/slow aircraft

MH-60's:
Darn near everything

ATS-2:
Fighter/strike aircraft

F-16s or F/A-18s as secondary fighter/strike aircraft.

KC-767A:
higher speed refueling

Heavy Bombing
TU-160

Unfortunately, this list does not include the MH-53 for heavy lift, nor the C-5, without which we cannot move most modern tanks by air. Do we each have enough coastal region to even worry about eachother's navies? Do we even HAVE navies?

[edit on 20-1-2006 by Travellar]

An-225 for heavy lift
C-17 for general transport, maybe a few C-130s as well

Su-34 strike aircraft
F-22 Air superiority, otherwise Typhoon.

Some Su-35s as well as backup because they are cheap, rugged and capable, also handy if the US bans spareparts because it doesn't like our invading the oil rich BTS forums (they want it all for themselves, greedy sods)

If budget is a concern I'd go with Su-34 and and Su-35, cheap and probably similar parts to maintain to keep costs down.

Maybe a small carrier with either Rafales or Su-33

Pc-9 and trainer
Hawk 100 as jet trainer/light attack

A-10 and or Su-25 for close air support

You dont really need tons of different aircraft types, especially not some of the ancient stuff some people are posting, I mean C-47? why would need that when you have C-17s? Most of those aircraft are old and pensioned off because they are obselete, or fairly uselss, some like the F-19 are just plain made up Hate to say it, but quit living in the past man, even some crappy african countries have Su-27s these days

This is the most unique list of aircraft I've ever seen, we want an airforce and include mostly naval fighters .

Needs ALOT of work.

Heavy Fighter:

F-22 Raptor(limited)
Su-35 Super Flanker

Medium Fighter:

MiG-29
Eurofighter(Air Force Variant)
F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

Light Fighter:

F-16C

Transport:

C-5 Galaxy
C-17 Globemaster III

Trooper:

Commando
C-130(latest Variant)

Attack:

A-10 Lightning Bolt II
AC-130U Spectre
F-111 Ardvark
Tornado
Su-34

Reconaissance:

Global Hawk
Predator UAV

Bomber:

B-2a Spirit
Tu-160 Blackjack
B-52H Stratofortress

Trainer:

T-38 Tweet
Jet Trainer

Transport helicoptor:

MH-53
Mi-26 Halo
UH-60 Blackhawk

Light Transport:

H-6 Little Bird

Attack helicopter:

KA-52 Alligator
AH-64D Apache

Gunship Helicopter:

Mi-24E Hind

Light Attack helicopter:

AH-6

Tankers:

KC-135
KC-10

AWACS:

E-3 Sentry
Hawkeye

Interceptor:

MiG-25 Foxbat(with newer imaginary engines that are better and don't bust down at above mach 2.5)
F-14D SuperTomcat put back into operation

Homeland Defense:

F-20 Tigershark

Black Projects:

Why do we need black projects?

Special Access Projects:

AX-17
AX-29
YF-23
And my very own ATS-2

Shattered OUT...

I see some Soviet Aircraft listed here, Since i have seen this, The ATS Air Force has established a special squadron that specialise in stolen enemy aircraft. From now on this branch will be known as the 'Joyrider Squadron'.

The German AF is the most famous 'Joyriders' since they are NATO and have took remaining EGAF aircraft (such as Mig 29s Mil 24 Hinds and so on)
since they have been unified since 1989.

This new Joyrider Squadron will equivalate to the US 'Red Hat' squadron based in Area 51 at Groom Lake.

Ok im not going to use every single aircraft i listed down previously but i just thought they would be suitable for the ATS AF.

The Boeing B-47 airframe in this thread is revamped with 21st century technology, B-52 engines and nacelles, Capable of launching AGM-86s n so on, And its airframe is not only a bomber since it is also used as a flight tanker and an AWACS plane.

Im also thinking about introducing an 'Airforce One' version of the B-47 so the President of the ATS Nation can command our forces during this war

Who can be our elected president?????????????????????????????????

Of course the ATS has a Navy, Army and Marines too so there is oceans and seas in our world (If anyone wishes for it)

For our Maritime Patrol Class, we could use the Lockheed P-3 Orion

VTOL Class: AV-8 Harrier/F-35 JSF/Hydra(From GTA San Andreas!)

The VTOL aircraft will support our Marines (also known as the ATSMC)

Incase we lose a lot of aircraft, I find this fictional Vought F-7D Cutlass with F-4 Phantom engines and A-6 Intruder nose landing gear would be useful but only in case of the event.

Maybe mothballed fighters from the ATS AMARC base such as F-4s F-15s n so on.

One of us could make a list of planes that will be on reserve.


Other aircraft for the list:

TSR2
Avro Arrow
Avro Vulcan
FG1/FGR2 Phantom
Fictional Avro 'Stealth Vulcan' with two tails, black paint, and supersonic capability

and many more British classics


Maybe we can use fictional aircraft as long they are based on real life ones but really we all should use real life ones becouse we may confuse each other if we make up our own things

[edit on 20-1-2006 by Browno]

And here I thought we were using real planes.

O and I admit, using a special addition to the MiG-25 that doesn't exist makes me a hypocrit, but c'mon, I think we can all agree that that upgrade is a much needed one for the Foxbat, plus I had trouble thinking of suitable interceptors.

Shattered OUT...

Joyrider? Stolen?
Oh c'mon, the use of former Soviet airforce aircraft implies nothing so severe as "Stolen"! After all, anyone with a halfway decent credit rating can probrably get the financing to buy a few dozen. It's not like they aren't on the market.

Edit: shouldn't we include the ABL and ATS-2 as high priority developmental projects? I know the ABL is intended to be an Anti-ballistic missile weapon, but something tells me it wouldn't be too terribly difficult to convert it for ground attack or air supremacy either.

zot zot zot

[edit on 21-1-2006 by Travellar]

Sorry, but stay away from the B-47 and all variants. While a decent plane, it had WAY too many issues for it to be used in any kind of numbers, and a tanker or EW platform would have even worse issues than the bomber did.

okay, I hate to ruin anyone's fun, but I've noticed that the corrisponding threads for BTS and PTS have no replies. Therefore, I believe we have already established complete air supremacy, and should begin our ground campaign!
CHEEEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGE!

That's because the people who care only come to ATS .

Shattered OUT...

I propose a more 21st century approach.

Command Plane ATS leader
(Boeing 777LR - I don't think it has yet a military designation) Longest range airplane in the world.

Transport.
Boeing C-17 - Short takeoff runway deployment
Boeing 747-8 Cargo. Heavy lifting
LM C-130-J/H Hercules.

Tanker
Boeing 767 Global Tanker
Possibly a 773ER Cargo/Tanker
C-130 small plane & helicopters

AWACS - recon
767/777 AWACS
737 AEW&C

Interception Team
AWACS
F-22 Raptor
Backup F-15 AESA

Fighters
F-22 Raptor
F-35 A
Typhoon

Strikers
F-22B
F-15E
F-35 A/B/C
X-45 UCAVS

Bombers
B-2
Tu-160
(The next AF Bomber?)

Recon
Global Hawk
Aurora project interceptor?
X-43A derivative UCAVS

As you can see this list has few models of planes which call for easy maintenance. It also uses commercial technology as possible specially in the big plane area now that they give better technology than current military planes.

The reason why i chose the B-47 airframe is becouse i dont think i would have big things in the force like B-52s, C-5 Galaxys n so on.

I know the B-47 is the B-52s origins but i like the fact its like a smaller version of it and its fighter style cockpit so i wanted to expand the uses of its airframe instead of just being a bomber,

For the ATS Presidents plane/AWACS, How about a Lockheed Tristar?

Shattered Skies, Glad to see you listed the C-46 Commando down becouse it has greater altitude performances than the C-47 Dakota/Skytrain

The Choctaw/Seabat/Wessex i listed down will be armed with rocket pods,miniguns etc. I would prefer the Seabat series than the UH-1 Iroquis
for troop transport

Heavy transport: If i were you, I would rid the C-5 and just use the C-17s

Homeland Defence Fighter: The F-20 suits that role!

I would use the F-15N Sea Eagle to fight alongside F-14s in our Navy

Our 'Joyrider Squadron' could fly Enemy/Stolen Mig 29s Su27 type fighters
or any other Soviet aircraft

And lets be nice and give the poor F-23 Black Widow 2 a go!

Anyone decided who can be the ATS President?

Originally posted by Browno
The reason why i chose the B-47 airframe is becouse i dont think i would have big things in the force like B-52s, C-5 Galaxys n so on.

I know the B-47 is the B-52s origins but i like the fact its like a smaller version of it and its fighter style cockpit so i wanted to expand the uses of its airframe instead of just being a bomber,

For the ATS Presidents plane/AWACS, How about a Lockheed Tristar?

Why would ypu want the president on an old plane dated to 1970 when the first flight was made

Work on the L-1011 prototype began early in 1969, resulting in a November 16 1970 first flight. The engine choice of Rolls-Royce's advanced three shaft design RB211 however dogged the TriStar's early career. Rolls-Royce went bankrupt in February 1970 largely due to higher than estimated RB211 development costs, severely harming both Lockheed and the TriStar sales program. The problems were able to be resolved after the British government nationalised Rolls-Royce, guaranteeing the supply of production engines. Despite the initial problems the RB211 proved to be extremely reliable and efficient in service and grew into a family of variants.

The first L-1011 model that entered service with Eastern and TWA in April 1972 was the initial domestic L-1011-1 (which was built in greater numbers than any other TriStar variant). Subsequent models to be developed were the -100 with more fuel and higher weights, the -200 with higher thrust engines, and the long range shorter fuselage -500, described separately.

Production ceased in 1983, when 250 had been built. The prototype was sold to be broken up for spares in 1986.

source Airliners.net www.airliners.net...

I thinhk Char's list is a winner. (except we should probrably drop the Typhoon. It's an impressive aircraft, but if we can afford Raptors and F-35s, it serves no specific purpose)

F-22 or F-23, no need for both, and the USAF has finished paying the developement costs for the -22.

The B-47 may look good, but it had a LOT of problems. You can't go just by looks. They had electrical problems, flutter problems, flight control problems, landing problems.... Do you REALLY want something with that many problems, and something that lost 7 airframes in just a few years in your inventory?

Hmm, this is a good one! Here are my picks base on need and practicality:

Bombers:

B-2 Spirit (gives us a strategic penetrator)
B-52 Stratofortress (versital)

Fighters:

F-23 Black Widow II (Heavy fighter)
F-14 E Super Tomcat (upgraded F-14 Fighter and Interceptor)
F/A-18 F Super Hornet (eqipped for both multirole and SEAD)

Strike/Attack:

A-10B Warthog (Night attack version)
F-111 F Aardvark
AV-8B Harrier

Command and Electronics:

E-3 AWACS
EA-6B Prowler


Cargo and Refuling:

KC-10 Extender

Trainer:

T-38

Helicopter:

UH-60 Black Hawk

Reconnissance:

SR-71 Black Bird
TR-3 Black Manta (Black Project)

I think this list should cover the basic needs of our Air Force.

Tim

I don't understand why we include planes that might not even exist, it doesn't make sense, why is it that Aurora and Black Manta have made people's list when we could incorporate practical REAL aircraft?

It makes it seem more of a fantasy list than anything else, and I myself am at fault for doing this too, I've created a fantasy list as well yes, but haven't incorporated anything that might not be real. It just doesn't make sense, to incorporate something that god knows how much will cost and if it is really all that practical, if it was black at one time and still is, maybe it's still black for a reason? Maybe they were failed projects, I mean projects that were special access but not are declassified are projects that turned out to be successful, unlike the infamous money guzzling Aurora. Sure it'll be nice to have them, but is it what we really need in our inventory?

Shattered OUT...