NWO= China + U.S.A

i'm neither sides want war... are they going to take the steps around war.
maybe they will agree on Two World Orders not a New one.
China is smart. they would not let war into there country cos think the majority of their population would protest against it.
USA and China might not be good allies but the have a lot other little threads holding them together,

two things i want to add.

Someone said russia and usa are allied. No, acually china has a military alliance with russia intented to counteract the usa and our alliances.

second,
you all talk about war with china and who would win. Well how would u even define victory? will china take over control of the USA? i doubt it. will usa take over control of china? i doubt it. so how do u define victory? even if one military is rendered incapable of fighting any longer, so? then what?

Well, if the US cripples the Chinese to the point where they cant fight anymore, thats how I define victory. Thats how victory has been defined for centuries. Am I right?

As far as the main topic goes, I just see the conflicts of interest being too great between China and the US for each to be happy sharing wealth, power and resources. How often are those in power not consumed by obtaining more? China is spreading their influence all over, (for example the M.E. and South America). Financially over force. In doing so, they are acquiring the resources to insure their growth monetarily, influentially and militarily. Making friends while doing it no less. With their naval capacity increasing to alarming proportions, the quick "acquiring" of aircraft and missile technology, as well as the backing of the countries who are our current thorn in our sides, (Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc...), I just can't see the US and China being happy with each other being "equal" where national and world considerations come into play.

On the topic of what would qualify a victory and how the incapacitation would occur, I see a victory as where as the opponent is deemed no longer a threat. Not necessarily being occupied by troops or loss by numbers game.

That is why an EMP scares the hell out of me. Not necessarily by China, but by anyone. China would gain greatly no matter who put one of those off over us.

Hate to be Japan or Taiwan if that happens.

Just my thoughts. I enjoy the conversation.

If this war was to become a reality the only way to win it would be to take the "politically correct" attitude and hide it away. The only way to win would be to take as many of them out in one big attack.

that would mean lots of nuclear weapons which would bring about the direct destruction of earth as we know it. it would be another cold war.
neither side wanting to take the risk of causing the worlds demise.

sum1 will invade the other and then the other will drop a nuke or 2

The United States does have a powerful army, the best and the brightest with the latest in military technology. Unfortunately, China has something we don't have: large overwhelming numbers.

If conflict does arise, then I think the United States can knock Chinese forces out of commission but occupation is out of the question. China is too large of a land mass and you can bet that there will be hundreds of insurgencies that will gradually cause our grip on the country to slip.

Of course all we can really do is stand around and speculate about the outcomes of a war that is a mere speck on the broad horizon. It will be a foolish mistake to engage China, image the casualties that will result from the conflict.


With talk of war aside, I believe that the United States will be the central authority of the New World Order; the country pulling all of the strings if you will.

Originally posted by Majestic12
With talk of war aside, I believe that the United States will be the central authority of the New World Order; the country pulling all of the strings if you will.

Nah, I think the UN has that pretty well covered.

wars no longer require large amount of troops on foreign ground. The wars will be fought in the air, by sea......

the U.S needs to get their missile defense system up and running, which will provide a huge advantage in a war.

What would the goal of the war be? That's the most important question in determing how it'd all go down. Annihilation, liberation, defense of Taiwan? No need to worry about occupation if annihilation or defending Taiwan is our concern. Without defining the goal, it's really difficult to go indepth with the argument.

Will China and the US strengthen ties to form the NWO? Even if I believed in the NWO, I'd say no, it'd be infinitely easier for us to assimilate with Japan and India, imo.

Originally posted by Kacen

China Supergun

I don't know Chinese, but I got word that it fires huge 400mm. Ramjet assisted shells into orbit which then can hit targets a great distance away.

I read Chinese. The Dazzler system is real, but the 400mm cannon is for hitting satellites and seems to be nothing but fan art. I did read an article about the military may have developed a laser cannon for the same purpose though. The Chinese believes in the event of a conflict against the Americans, the highest priority targets are the satellites, so is highly probably China is developing something similar to that 400mm monster.

Originally posted by msnevil

Side note: And I have yet seen a Critical Chinese person make it past the "Great firewall of China". To this site.

Uhhh, I don't know what you mean by 'critical chinese' but I'm chinese and I'm typing this from beijing. I have been reading this site for a while, only got an account today to say hi to someone else who says he's in beijing.

;D

Lord of War put it best in the scene at the Russian Arms Bazaar. The Soviet Union recently collapsed Cage and this Russian Arms Dealer were talking about the world situation.

The Russian believed it was much more complicated and Orlov believed it was much more simple. In terms of money anyways.

Getting back, the situation is much more complex when it comes to Alliances. There's the World War alliances still very much intact but then there's the wild cards. Many countries are quasi allies to the us primarily through business. But when things start cooking I'm sure this can change in a heart beat.

It's easier to put the whole thing in the terms of the resource war and the ideology war. Where it was West vs. East now it's Arab vs Jew and Christian.

This coming war is very much about oil and it's a high stakes game. Russia is a business partner and not a friend to the states. The blocks are still very much East and West just on a greater scale. Follow the money. China invests and owns lots of oil in Iran, Venezuala and Canada of all places. On top of the neighbouring countries of these nations you have alot of combined forces not just China.

Russia and China are now very good friends in terms of military training and rotation programs where they have exercises together. It's always in the best interests of the neighbours to mend fences when a foreign enemy comes along. China, Russia and many other countries know that.

In terms of China's military power watch out. China recieves roughly 600 billion in foreign investment and at least 100 billion of that goes to the military each year.

In terms of technology China has alot of equipment that is on par with the US. They have Aegis Cruiser technology, they are getting pretty close to completing their own generation of aircraft carriers learned from the purchased russian ships and between the new Iranian underwater missile and the Sun Burn 22 China can do major damage to the navay. And lets not forget about all the radar technology the Chinese must have reaped from that Orion that was forced to land off Hainan. The Chinese Airforce is big enough and now has more modern planes.

China's military is all in one place too. US is spread way too thin. Even if the us enforces a draft at the start of the war China it won't be enough

China and it's allies are not to be underestimated. Infact in terms of conspiracy theories China's NWO may be the eventual Order actually envisioned. They are heading for the textbook New World Order police state.

I don't really know what else to say. China's military is nothing to laugh at thats for sure. The Israeli's have only been too kind to give China all the want of military technology it needs. In many cases this has pissed of the us state department but there is nothing they can do about it.

* Here's one more thing to ponder. It goes unreported in the Media but over the years there have been a few containers seized that had an assortment of different weapons from china. Skud missile launchers, thousands and thousands of AK-47's. And Even a Canadian General has hinted that China has at least 1 000 000 operatives in the US waiting for a war to break out.

The authorities can't catch everything. It's like cold war where you send in waves of bombers and only 5 might actually get through.

It definately must be assumed that all kinds of weapons are just lying around and waiting. And guerilla soldiers loyal to China are sitting around waiting or busy with cover lives.

20 or 30 years before China really becomes a threat? Forget about it. That argument is nolonger valid. China has done what people have said to take 20-30 years into five years if you count from 2000. They are a force to be reckoned with and even if there was a draft at the start of the war the us wouldn't be able to cope. China has already taken alot of ground through globalism. Infuence in key ports for example. Especially the Panama Canal.

China has already won the economics game. They are smart when it comes to Globalism especially those dealing with oil.

If America's civilian leadership held their soldiers lives in a more tasteful regard then I suppose anything is possible. But it's become painfully clear that the Military Industrial Complex is more willing to cheat out their own soldiers when it comes to saving a buck here and there. Especially the Psychological Armour of a humvee or bradley. Even the uparmour doesn't really do much. You might actually have the chunk of debris in you as opposed to going through you.

*that was from a soldier in Gunner Palace. At least the soldiers know it's all for bollacks.

American soldiers are treated like dogs when you really think about it. Look at Vietnam. Not much has changed. They are just used then thrown away like trash.



[edit on 20-4-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]

Omega1: I totally agree. If there is a NWO conspiracy, I believe alot of the things that happened on bill clinton on Bill Clintons watch was just dissensitation, things they didn't want associated with Bush Jr. Like Waco(intrusion), Oklahoma(citizens attacking our own country), first wtc(which I believe could of been how the charges got placed for 9-11 specutlation of course, because there was alot of construction and re-inforecment done on the building after that, and WTC 1 was really under Heavy construction, and people wern't even allowed to visit the top of 1 because while both buildings hold interest to the U.S. 1 had alot more goverment offices and supposed cia fronts), and Bill Clinton really opened us up to trade with china in ways Nixon might not have dared.

I'm really intresteted in researching this further.

Some things I know about our relationship with China. They own a fair share of that debt (8 trillion and counting), along with Japan and Saudi Arabia. Japan and Saudi Arabia we have had odvious ties for since the 1950's. Saudi Arabia and China's economies are heavily dependent on ours.

"Of the 206 listed countries in the Factbook the combined debt was $38.54 trillion. Of that world wide debt, the US owes approximately 22%."
en.wikipedia.org...

www.cia.gov...
list of everybodies debt

Now one question you might have is who is al this debt owed too?

Well alot of it is the World bank which who is in charge of... hmm I forget.
Paul Wolfowitz (you should really look into his background, especially news about him between 02 and 03)
web.worldbank.org...:50004410~piPK:36602~theSitePK:29708,00.html

Now if you want to know exactly who owns who what I suggest you look into that.
I currently am.

Originally posted by rabid_monkey
I have been reading this site for a while, only got an account today to say hi to someone else who says he's in beijing.

Thanks for confirming that rabid_monkey, are there any sites that are completely censored? For instance can you see the following site: Falun Gong official website (法轮功)?

omega1 Wouldn’t China make a perfect new boogyman? It’s obvious that once the oil is back in non- Iraqi hands, they’ll need to drop this “War on Terror” BS. (maybe take on Iran and Syria) They’ll need something to feed the military industrial complex. I don’t know about them joining forces, it seems the US’ prime ambassador in this department would be Wal-Mart.

Something mention in another thread about Africa being groom by the NWO, made me think. The reason China is getting so powerful now is mostly because of their abundance of cheap labor. As the middle class increases in China, it might become cheaper to produce goods elsewhere, say India or as mentioned in that other thread, possibly Africa.

For those who are thinking of Russia and China as allies, check out the Sino-soviet split


[edit on 20/4/06 by ConspiracyNut23]

Okay.. U.S may not win the war.. if fought against China. China has the largest military army and even though China's air and sea military is less advance than U.S but China still can do threat on U.S. China also have several nuclear weapons. Russia will help China and EU will help U.S. I don't know, perhaps, will turn into a world war.

"...turn to a world war..."

Definately. Its like WWI all over again. There is such an arms race going on that it's obvious everyone intends to use them at some point in time.

You could be right.. Um this is kind of freaky, because I had a dream that Tawain destroyed a US NAVY ship.... *gulp* geez...

Also, It will happen. One way or another... yep..

Oh by the way. Did you know that the Chinese President visited Yale University and is talking to Bush.. hmm gee I wonder. Skull and Bones society much. It just seems like it, that's all...perhaps they are planning something. You know...that is very possible because the chinese have nukes...and so do we....

[edit on 21-4-2006 by truthmatters1111]

7 years later....Check out this current headline:

China calls for 'new world order,' blaming Congress for risking global economy

www.nbcnews.com...



You're right. .. . New World Order. = De Americanized World...