Iran is not the threat it's hyped up to be

My new cry: "Remember the Niger documents! Remember the WMDs! Don't fall for this AGAIN"!

Your evidence that Bush is a liar is that he used intelligence used by every agency in the world?

Iran is stating that they are pursuing nuclear power for energy needs and not weapons. I find this reasoning unsatisfactory because , as the world is aware, Iran sits on the second largest reserves on the planet. Unless of course they know something and are not bothering to tell the rest of the world. Just maybe Iran is aware that the Middle East oil nipple is drying up. I have read reports ballparking Iran's output drying up in 20 years or so. With the current rate of use by China, and there respective lack of conservation, Iran will be bled dry in two decades and then what ?

It is therefore feasible, in my opinion, that Iran is attempting to secure its future energy needs, rather than going into the nuclear weapons business. However , if they do decide to start a weapons program, who can blame them? It seems to me the only way to truly protect ones own nation from, " regime change " is to be a part of the nuclear club. As messed up as this is , you have to admit it's true.

Now I am not saying that Iran has the right to develop nuclear energy , and or weapons ( even though they do have the right ) , and I am alarmed by the staements of their president, the world at large needs to call a spade a spade and be honest with the facts.

Here are the basic facts:

1 - Iran has the right to build a nuclear program, and therfore weapons for that matter.

2- The international community has an obligation to itself to stop nuclear proliferation

3- Israel is afraid that a nuclear Iran would mean death to Israel, and they are deservedly afraid

4- The United States is being a hypocrite by refusing to allow other states nuclear power, while at the same time lowering their own threshold for the actual use of nuclear weapons

5- Iran has an opportunity to settle the current standoff by allowing Russia to enrich the Uranium in Russia

6- Iran likley will not go for the Russian offedue to the fact that they have invested in the program in Iran, and cant afford the domestic uprising they may face if they back down to international pressure

7 the stage is set with NATO, Turkey, Israel . UK, France , Germany and the United States to initiate and support an assault on Iran, preemtively if necessary

8 - Iran realizes its situation and may strike first as as surprise offensive, in hopes of impairing the Allies assault - if they wait to be attacked the Iranian counter strike will be severly handicapped

9 - Iran is surrounded by the US and allied forces, forward bases are set and ready to , Israel has called March of '06 the latest possible time frame for an attack and war preparations are in full swing

My gut feeling is that at any moment the US / Israel war machine will strike Iran hard with an aerial bombardment , or Iran will go on the offensive and launch a surprise attack on Israel, and US / coalition forces in hopes to render the counter assault less lethal. I think it could happen anytime and I expect to see the use of battlefield tactical nuclear weapons. This is the start of a larger war and just maybe the big one. Einstein stated that he didnt know how exactly world war 3 would be fought , but that world war 4 would be fought with sticks and stones. Either way its going to happen soon and it aint gunna be pretty.

Alias Jones

Originally posted by Dronetek
Your evidence that Bush is a liar is that he used intelligence used by every agency in the world?

Sure intelligence used by every intelligence agency in the world yet somehow all those other intelligence agencies knew not to get involved in the Iraq war. Really makes you wonder how much credence every agency in the world gave that intel in the first place.

Still doesn't change the fact that the intel was years out of date (if Clinton was using the same intel as you are thats a sure sign the expiration date came and went) and this administration chose to ignore the intel provided by weapons inspectors on the ground. Seriously they chose years old intel over current fresh intel from people actually in the country. Either the people involved were just plain retarded or they weren't being honest with the public and the world.

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... Plus the nuclear plants the IRANIANS say are for nuclear ENERGY arent big enough to PRODUCE energy... yet they are precisley the right size to create nuclear MATERIALS..


OOOO just heard, Al Sadr has just pledged his men in Iraq will defend Iran in the emergence of offensive actions from international countries.

I'd like to know how he managed to travel ACROSS the Iraqi border to meet with the Iranian people?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
OOOO just heard, Al Sadr has just pledged his men in Iraq will defend Iran in the emergence of offensive actions from international countries.

I'd like to know how he managed to travel ACROSS the Iraqi border to meet with the Iranian people?

He doesn't have to, ever since the fall of Saddam, Iranian Pasdaran officers have been invloved with Al Sadr and his militia. Al Sadr isn't the one directing his men, it's the Iranians.

cheers mad scientist.

If I were the US soilders in Iraq, that would make me quinge even more..
Irans becoming an issue that is fast getting out of control.

Iran isnt a threat. Iran is pathetic, to be perfectly honest. They have no nukes, no real army, half their people are living in poverty, for god sakes. Oh Iran is really a threat!

Number of nukes owned by Iran? ZERO.

Number of nukes owned by Israel? 400.

Who is really a threat to who here? Who really wants war here?

The US is the most powerful country on the planet by far, everyone knows this.

You think Iran is stupid enough to want to pick a fight withthe US, when they barely have any defense? Seriously, thats stupid. Iran isnt that stupid.

What makes more sense? Iran is really a threat, cuz they are evil terrorists who hate freedom; or that your government is throwing its weight around, on a power trip, and using propoganda to justify an attack on yet another sovereign nation? Use your brains people!

Oh yea Iran is really a threat. Lets go bomb them......

Now, about this nuclear program.....Iran has never said anything other than they are using it for peaceful purpose. Is that illegal?

''But oh, they plan to make nukes to kill us!''

Well, even if they are, the CIA's own reports have stated that they wont be able to make a bomb for at least 10 years......oh real big threat now isnt it?

That even if they are planning to make one!

Every major country on earth has nuclear programs. How come Iran isnt allowed to have one?

If you really are worried about threats, I suggest you worry about North Korea and China...all have nukes and all have said they would attack us if we try anything. If there is any threat out there to you Americans, its your government and their puppets in Asia. Not some poor Islamic country who is tampering with nuclear energy.

The truth is, that the Illuminati has planned to invade the middle east for these reasons.

- To control the natural resources around the Caspian Sea region (especially Oil)

- To control all military, economic, political, and social aspects of the region.

- To put themselves in a position to sell out contracts.

- To use the area as a base to attack other countries in the region.

That is why your troops are in the Middle East. Im sick of you people, and your dumb excuses to justify your governments actions, this is what is really happening. This is reality. You can either accept it and fight against it, or you can accept it and go along with it. Whats your choice?








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so now Iran's attempt to obtain nukes is actually an illuminati conpiracy as well?

they have more nonsensical plots going on than Enron did in it's heyday.

I suspect they already got nukes and the world leaders now this.

This is really making me nervous and depressed because that Iranian president seams to be crazy enough.
I hope there are others around him with more sanity.

I think the preassure need to be eased (but I dont know how).. They might get desperate (Iran) and desperate people do stupid things.


If I was a beliver, I would pray.


PEACE

Originally posted by DaftDebunk
I suspect they already got nukes and the world leaders now this.

This is really making me nervous and depressed because that Iranian president seems to be crazy enough.
I hope there are others around him with more sanity.

Yeah, I wonder what teh release protocols would be for Iranian nukes. We know GWB can't launch nukes unilaterally - I hope the Iranians if/when they get them have the same type of safeguards. Then again if the leadership is crazy Trouble.

Not being an expert what does this article mean. It says Iran is now saying if refered to the SC it will pursue full enrichment. Isn't that what they are doing now?

"ran will immediately retaliate if referred to the U.N. Security Council next week by forging ahead with developing a full-scale uranium enrichment program, a senior envoy said Monday.

The comments by Ali Asghar Soltaniyeh, a senior envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency, reflected Iran's defiance in the face of growing international pressure over its nuclear program. Enrichment can be used in electricity production but it also is needed in making uranium-based nuclear weapons. "

Iran to pursue full enrichment

right now they claim that they aren't going into the enrichment process.

they also claim that they, the second largest oil exporter in the world, are looking for alternative fuel sources.

Originally posted by nativeokie
Not being an expert what does this article mean. It says Iran is now saying if refered to the SC it will pursue full enrichment. Isn't that what they are doing now?

"ran will immediately retaliate if referred to the U.N. Security Council next week by forging ahead with developing a full-scale uranium enrichment program, a senior envoy said Monday.

Iran to pursue full enrichment

At the moment Iran only has a pilot centrifuge enrichment program. They don't have enough centriguges to produce enough U235. I think they may only have a couple of hundred. I read somewhere that they are looking to expand their enrichment program to 50 000 centrifuges.

I say we take out Luxenbourg while we still have a chance. They hate us because of our obesity !

Isn't that what they are doing now?

No, they broke the seals on their enrichment hardware, but claim they are only doing research tests and not enriching on a large scale, as would be necessary for either power generation or a weapons program.

Still it would be hard for them to hide the creation of the highly enriched uranium necessary to make a bomb while still allowing IAEA monitoring at their nuclear facilities. I have no doubt they're researching it, but I don't believe they've reached the point where they can start making bombs.

Originally posted by YIAWETA
I say we take out Luxenbourg while we still have a chance. They hate us because of our obesity !

not all of Yiaweta, just you

Originally posted by longjohn
I think we should remember a few things here:

Israel HAS nuclear weapons (who is objecting?)
The USA HAS nuclear weapons (who is objecting?)
Russia, China, etc. all have nuclear weapons (who is objecting?)

Iran MIGHT be building nuclear weapons, although they are denying it and it make take them years...... (all are objecting)

I think there are little discrepancy here, don't you agree?

Makes me think about that statement about the pot and the kettle...

No discrepancy here

The vast majority of the world including Iran has alittle thing called the NPT the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons . All those countries you named are allowed to have them except Iran under that treaty which Iran signed. Israel is the one exception you named it never signed the treaty so its not a part of it or its rules.

Iran is still signed it though and is bound by its rules. They can always drop out and make nuclear weapons but they have to give member nations 6 months notice before they do.

Within the treaty they are allowed to do that.

No, they broke the seals on their enrichment hardware, but claim they are only doing research tests and not enriching on a large scale, as would be necessary for either power generation or a weapons program.

Thats not quite accurate.

They poliely asked the UN to remove the seals.

Iran was not under any binding agreement to keep the seals in place.

By their own choice they shut down the facilities, and allowed the IAEA to place seals.

Iran is in complete compliance with the NPT by the IAEAs own admission.

The inspectors are still there watching what is happening.

Even if they started full scale enrichment right now with what they have it would be years before a single weapon could be produced.

People may suspect different, but we all know what speculation is worth.

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Rice: Iran must stop making nuclear bombs!

Iran: We're not making nuclear bombs. We're building a power station.

Rice: Iran's denial of nuclear weapons manufacture is proof of their uncooperative attitude!

Iran: We're not being uncooperative. Come in, look around all you want. It's a power station. Look here, see this switch? Switch goes up, light goes on. Switch goes down, light goes off!

Rice: Don't patronize me! We know you are building nuclear bombs with reactor fuel.

Iran: Look, I don't know who taught you nuclear physics but in fact the step from fuel-grade to weapons-grade is not as simple as you seem to think. It's not like you push a button on a microwave for an extra minute and instead of tuna noodle casserole you get a neutron bomb.

Rice: We are done talking!

Iran: Then shut the # up, already. Nobody believes you anyway. You were screaming that Iraq had nuclear weapons. You invaded, murdered thousands of innocent people, made a total mess of the country, and didn't find a single WMD. Now you are saying the same things about Iran, and without a single shred of proof, I might add!

Rice: Your refusal to be honest and open is proof enough!

Iran: Look, Ms. Rice, thank you for coming, but I think we are done for the day. You want to buy electricity or oil, you are welcome back. You want nuclear bombs, better you should go see the Israelis; they have lots of them!


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This sounds about right.

The only thing Iran could do to end this conflict is to blow up all their oil.

Then America would not want to invade Iran......

I am surprised everyone is talking about Iran, Iraq, Israel and the middle east, when all of this is about Russia. The real important issue in the Iran case is that Russia maybe uses Iran to make their hidden nuclear weapons, and God knows what other weapons. Russia takes advantage of Iran's enormous area and rogueness, while Iranian politicians make big speeches against USA to boost their image for internal purposes. There is a real movement in Russia to get back to the old soviet glory. USA has encircled Russia by getting support from a lot of countries previously hostile, but Iran is a thorn that must be dealt with quickly.


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