*Civil War Watch USA*

Most of us on ATS know and have at least heard of John Titor and his predictions like the one about civil war in the USA. This thread is not about John Titor. This thread is about the possibility of a civil war in the USA in the near future.

According to thisLink we allready are ingaged in a civil war

We Americans are now engaged in a New Civil war, testing whether this nation, conceived and dedicated as we are, will endure.

we are currently in a civil war against domestic political and economic forces that are killing us and destroying our nation.

Are you a Terrorist defined by these bills introduced into state governments:

The reclassification of terrorism is spreading across this country. A bill just BARELY defeated in Oregon would have made you a terrorist if you download music, block traffic or write a bad check. Want to know what the punishment would have been?

Just what direction is the USA heading in?? not only the USA, but the UK and basicly the rest of the so called free world.
More and more stories like This are being reported

President George W. Bush has signed executive orders giving him sole authority to impose martial law, suspend habeas corpus and ignore the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits deployment of U.S. troops on American streets. This would give him absolute dictatorial power over the government with no checks and balances.

The point of this thread is to discuss whether we are heading towards a civil war and why, or Not and why.

I hope the check i gave my doctors office today clears I'd hate to get locked up and do hard labor for life.

Things are out of hand, but honestly, its not going to result i dont think in a civil war. I dont think we'll be alive to reach that point. How terrible. Life used to be pleasant. It was for me.

I had a sinking feeling in my gut the day George W. Bush was "elected" president. I will never forget that.

When did you find this information. If it was before 2006 I think that me may have to re-read that eejit John Titor!

Very interesting post. The link to the article about Bush was dated recently, Jan. 06.


If there is anybody going to do the unthinkable, G W Bush will be the one to do it.

If as the article is true about the executive order, then he is simply waiting for another staged event to implement the order.

It makes one wonder if somehow this whole terrorism thing did not have some behind the scenes manipulations.

Originally posted by LDragonFire

The point of this thread is to discuss whether we are heading towards a civil war and why, or Not and why.

there's a thread on the board about international wealth differentials, and whether or not the 'third- world' countries will eventually snap and revolt (i'm not sure that's the right word) against the 'first- world.' i countered that the us' internal problems may be more pressing, given our own national wealth differential. further, it would appear that the us is either very close to, or currently experiencing, the socio-economic climate that led to the french revolution. i'm re-posting that reply.

to address your question, the conditions are in place to piss off a populace. now, the question is will americans collectively get off their butts, move away from the tivo, and put down the high- fructose corn syrup long enough to foment revolution? i am not confident.

Originally posted by HarlemHottie

Causes of the French Revolution include the following:

1. A bad economic situation as well as an unmanageable national debt, both caused by and exacerbating the burden of a grossly inequitable system of taxation and France's funding of the American Revolution.
   
2. Resentment of royal absolutism (described as "divine right")... see also Senator Says Bush Is Acting Like 'King George').
   
3. Aspiration for liberty and republicanism
   
4. Resentment of Manorialism (seigneurialism) by peasants, wage-earners, and, to a lesser extent, the bourgeoisie
   
5. The rise of enlightenment ideals.
   
6. Food scarcity in the months immediately before the revolution (which, between mad cow, bird flu, and monsanto, is a medium- term possibility).
   
7. Resentment at noble privilege and dominance in public life by the ambitious professional classes.
   
8. Resentment of religious intolerance.
   
9. The failure of Louis XVI to deal effectively with these phenomena.
   

Sorry to say, but none of those really sound that far-fetched, and some are already in place here...what do you think?

[edit on 29-1-2006 by HarlemHottie]

[edit on 29-1-2006 by HarlemHottie]

I think Titor was a hoax, but that does not mean there won't be a civil war in the future. I think that within 50 years, we the people will be so oppressed that a resistance movement will start eventually and overthrow the government. I'm talking prison camps for dissenters and all that fun stuff.

I, of course, have no evidence regarding this other than the slow oppression of human rights in the United States and others.

Hmm. A lot of people have theorized (fantasized more like it) about a coming civil war. I don't see it going that way. This is why: A 'war' implies that there are at least two opposing factions. Where is the 'other side'? I see a facist-leaning government seeking to impose martial law and slavery on the peoples of the USA. However, though there are plenty of armed-and-dangerous freedom fighter, red-dawn fantasizers, I fail to see that any ammount of them would be able to organize any serious resistance. Besides that, resistance--even armed resistance--does not constitute a civil war. Civil war implies a geographical and political succession.

To date, the only organization I know of who's stated aims include a succession of US territory (and the implication of a civil war) is the organization known as MECHA

Well then folks, don't be surprised if Bush extends his term beyond 8 years by instituting some of these executive powers such as martial law and the deployment of the military amongst the population, right before the next presidential election.

I'm not saying it'll happen, I'm just saying it could. Scary eh?

I for one just can't wait until we get some kind of moderate or left-leaning president in office who will undo all the damage Bush has done to our world image and our communication w/the world's nations.

Unfortunately, as long as that TV and that microwave keeps working, and as long as that Super Market is still selling grub, and as long as people are too busy going to work and trying to get laid, and as long as they keep us arguing about superficial crap like abortion, flag burning and gay marrige, there won't be any real change at all except those instituted by those already in power. I'm sorry to, but wouldn't hesitate, to say that most American's are clueless as to the inherent directions of a Feudalist Government. We're mostly Working Class Heros, and
you're talking about a revolution in a culture who's primary health concerns include Obesity, and Restless Leg Syndrome A culture in which more votes are cast for a nationally televised Talent Show than a National Election for crying out loud.
Is there any real and socially legitmate opposition to the Globalist Agenda? I'm not talking about Conspiracy Theorists, Websites, or Radical Religous Groups, Malitias or any of that, but real and serious, well funded, connected and organized opposition? I used to have some hope for the Libertarian Party, back when they first started out their platform included Abolishment of Victimless Crimes, Isolationism, and alot of really great concepts... Alas they are total sellouts though and as soon as they began to get some recognition they became just another body politic.

[edit on 11-9-2006 by twitchy]

Before a real civil war could take place in America you would need to:

1) Put people into massive economic debt (i.e. credit cards, houses, cars, student loans, taxes)

2) Take away or reduce thier source of income (i.e. close the factory and move it overseas, outsouce white collar professional jobs like computer programming and engineering to India)

3) Destroy the traditional family unit (i.e. divorce)

4) Impose the full force of the law upon the population (i.e. lawsuits, judgements, child support, tax liens)

5) Start an unwinnable war with an invisible adversary (i.e. war on terrorism)

6) Arm and educate the population on the art of warfare and terrorism (i.e. recuit and train every available male in the art of warfare and/or security)

7) Restrict or recind every document which set america apart from every other country on earth (i.e. Bill of rights, constitution)

8) Train the military in the art of civil warfare, by getting them involved in a civil war in the middle-east, and then piss off the troops by not allowing them to return home and put them under financial and emotional distress at home.

I wonder what would happen if congress goes more to the left [liberal] in Nov. 06 and by 08 they go Much more left. Could you imagine a liberal president wielding power they way GWB has with a liberal congress backing up the president?

I can see a ammendment to the constitution protecting and reconizing gay marriage.
I can see a ammendment to the constitution protecting the right for abortions.

I could see a liberal agenda attempting to quell the voice of the right, with hate crime laws/censership laws

If any terrorists hit the USA in this time, you could expect massive gun control laws, martial law, the draft, basicly things that did not happen after 9/11. Many more socialist type programs...ect...ect

I can see liberal politics having the USA pull out of Iraq/Afganistan, possibly turning these areas under UN control.

Other things such as National IDs by 08.

this is pure speculation i don't agree or disagree, but if this happens it will really make conservitives pissed.

And what about the illegal immigrant issues? as time goes by??

Im not attempting to politically snipe here, I hate the far left as much as I hate the far right.

G'day there,

Just to let you guys know whats going on i Australia here, the conservative government here has brought in in the last year mega-strict Industrial Laws, that actually give more rights to rapists and murderers than union representatives.

How is this possible you ask? Well, the government is dead set charging hard at the unions here for they see them as a threat to their 'agendas'. Unions are the last bastion of civilian organised groups that inofrm their members to what is really going on and the government doesnt want this happening.

The governement has even made a new organisation that carefully watches and scrutinises all the actions of union members and representatives, and if they ask for that union representative to attend a "closed" session of court to hear charges of any kind, that union representative DOES NOT have the right to silence, whereas any sort of criminal does in a court of law.

The fine for staying silent is $6,000, and the union organisation gets fined $33,000.
If the union member talks about his closed court case to anyone else, he gets another $6,000 fine.

If he stops work at any work-site due to safety concerns, another $6,000 fine.

Aswell as this, if you participate, attend, support any sort of industrial strike action, you have been labelled a terrorist under our Australian Terror Laws, and may be subject to a couple days of detention.

So much for democracy, freedom of speech, and western society in general.

We are definitely not going down the right path.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
The governement has even made a new organisation that carefully watches and scrutinises all the actions of union members and representatives...

... if you participate, attend, support any sort of industrial strike action, you have been labelled a terrorist under our Australian Terror Laws, and may be subject to a couple days of detention.

Looks pretty similar to what is happening in the U.S.

Old money seeks to maintain power by controlling the government and exerting compete control over the population.

It's always the same story. The next generation inheirits grand-daddys money, attends better schools, are raised to believe that they are better than everyone else and work together to subjegate the people into permanent economic slavery.

Hi Dragon very interesting thread and I have asked similar questions in the past. For what reason would the UKUS goverments wish to introduce such draconian legislation to control its people. Well if you have freedom, liberty etc. enjoyed by the populace how do you change that to a nation of people geared up for a major war with someone, lets say the Chinese.

Bush/Blair and Co used 9/11 and WMD to invade Iraq and as far as we all know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and no WMD' were found. But something else happened in the wake of 9/11 in the UK/US, anti terrorism legislation was introduce with such speed that it should be in the Guiness book of records. Legislation that affects all of us and not the terrorists. They have no regard for the law thats one of the reasons they are called terrorists. So why do we the people need to be controlled by our masters. Are they planning for a major conflict and would require conscrition etc. and would want a compliant easily controlled population and not a free one.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi Dragon very interesting thread and I have asked similar questions in the past. For what reason would the UKUS goverments wish to introduce such draconian legislation to control its people. Well if you have freedom, liberty etc. enjoyed by the populace how do you change that to a nation of people geared up for a major war with someone, lets say the Chinese.

Bush/Blair and Co used 9/11 and WMD to invade Iraq and as far as we all know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and no WMD' were found. But something else happened in the wake of 9/11 in the UK/US, anti terrorism legislation was introduce with such speed that it should be in the Guiness book of records. Legislation that affects all of us and not the terrorists. They have no regard for the law thats one of the reasons they are called terrorists. So why do we the people need to be controlled by our masters. Are they planning for a major conflict and would require conscrition etc. and would want a compliant easily controlled population and not a free one.

Good point considering the patriot act is more of a series of laws for putting down some kinda public uprising more than it is to protect against terrorists. Its freaky as well that the USA UK and Australia all are going in the same direction, a massive power grab in the USA by the Executive branch of government, basiclly making itself all powerfull, no matter what the courts or congress has to say.

If they wanted to protect us from terrorists they would have made it harder for those intering our country, not making it easier to get into the country.

But there is allways hope, someday soon there will be a showdown between the Executive Brand of government and Congress, and maybe even the courts...we desperately need those checks and balances to remain intact if we are going to be free.

I find it sad that in the modern world we seem to need a big red menace to protect us and our liberties from our own government.

This is a thread from last year, I'm posting too it based on many threads lately on ATS, I'm not gonna post the links just look at the recent posts. With me its all about questions so here it goes.

1. Does it look like we are approaching a civil war type of situation in the USA? More so since I first posted this thread?

2 If you believe we are, what can we do to avoid such a conflict? Should we avoid it? and why?

3 If you believe we are not please post why?

Seems to me even in the MSM America's police force is becoming militant towards its people, more than in the past, or we are just more aware of it now. We are now seeing more examples of freedoms lost [freedom of speech and assembly].

What say you?