9/11 Pentagon: The Mystery of the Moved Taxi

a reply to: neutronfluxThink you need to do a bit of reading about descent rates for aircraft and come back to me.

originally posted by: neutronflux
I am sure that is a comfort to those families who had humans remains returned to them from the wreckage of flight 77 at the pentagon. Remains identified by DNA and personal belongings.

How would asking a question about Lloyd's taxi comfort families? Do you just have stock canned responses and talking points and just got confused?

In any event, are you referring to the DNA for which there was no chain of custody, which somehow survived a fiery crash that disintegrated the wing spars, one of the two engines and most of the plane while clothing also survived looking like it just came back from the laundry? And a laminated prayer card and two hijacker's IDs?

You believe that, ya?

My browsers are not allowing me to insert images...

ibb.co... taken from a gallery from The Washington Post.

www.washingtonpost.com... 1e3-9743-bb9b59cde7b9_gallery.html

double post...not sure why

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

How did UA 93's ACARS units end up still transmitting 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Shanksville?

That old lie.

Where ACARS was trying to transmit to UA 93?

Show from the ACARS logs where the system received a transmitted message that originate from UA 93 after it crashed.

I will do this shortly...in the meantime, if you'd like go on to Scribd and start reading Hijacking America's mind.

The truth movement doesn't lie about this - it is right there in the FBI files - it's just that most people don't know where to find the source material.

I'll concede the airliner wouldn't knock over cars, will you concede when I show you the FBI files demonstrating that both UA93 and UA175 were not only flying after the crash time but were 100s of miles away?

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You your referring to dental and DNA from teeth? And as long as there is viable DNA in bones, bones even burnt. DNA identification can occur.

Are you saying there were no bone remains contained with in charged bodies? Or no surviving teeth for DNA and dental identification?

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You

I will do this shortly...in the meantime, if you'd like go on to Scribd and start reading Hijacking America's mind.

You would be the first person in 20 years.


Please link to the fill you download the log from.

You do know there is an actual data file of the log.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

How did UA 93's ACARS units end up still transmitting 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Shanksville?

That old lie.

Where ACARS was trying to transmit to UA 93?

Show from the ACARS logs where the system received a transmitted message that originate from UA 93 after it crashed.

I find this to be quite amazing that you don't actually know that this isn't a lie as Salander implied you've been on the case for 20 years. The evidence comes the 911 commission records, Team 7 Box 13.

From Hijacking America's Mind

Michael Winter, an official of United Airlines, was interviewed by the FBI on January 28, 2002. He explained that:

AGARS uses radio ground stations (RGS) at various locations throughout the United States for communication The messages from the aircraft utilize the RGS in a downlink operating system. A central router determines the strongest signal received from the aircraft and routes the signal/message to UAL flight dispatch.'

Michael J. Winter then commented upon the various ACARS messages sent from and to the aircraft designated as flight UA93 and indicated which radio ground stations were selected by the central router to communicate with the aircraft.

The ACARS log provides, among other information, the following relevant items:

• Sending time (day-of-month and exact universal time)
• Aircraft registration number
• Three-letter code of the radio ground station (RGS)
• Flight number • Departure and destination airports (three-letter codes)
• Text of message • Name of sender
• Reception time in aircraft (month-and-day and universal time)

Ballinger stated that "the ACARS messages have two times listed: the time sent and the time received." He also stated that "once he sends the message it is delivered to the addressed aircraft through ARINC immediately. He is not aware of any delay in the aircraft receiving the message after he sends it.. The reception time allows the sender to ascertain that the message had been duly received by the devices aboard the aircraft.

The three-letter RGS code allows the approximate reconstruction of where the aircraft was located at the time the message was transmitted. As can be ascertained from the aforementioned log, AGARS messages were transmitted by Ed Ballinger to aircraft N591UA (which was assigned to Flight UA93) via the following radio ground stations (RGS) at the following times

Transmitted to the aircraft via the radio ground station at
9:21 PIT (Pittsburgh)
9:31 CAK (Canton/Akron)
9:40 CLE (Cleveland)
9:46 TOL(Toledo)
9:51 TOL (Toledo)
9:51 FWA (Fort Wayne, IN)
10:10 CMI (Willard Airport, Champaign, IL)

Michael Winter confirmed that ACARS messages were transmitted to High UA93 in the above sequence via the aforementioned ground stations? David Knorr Manage, Dispatch Automation at United Airlines, attended the interview, The above timeline indicates that the last successful AGARS transmission to flight UA93 occurred at 1010 via the remote ground station CMI located AWE!! lard Airport near Champaign (IL), that is, seven minutes after that aircraft had allegedly crashed near Shanksville, PA, nearly 500 miles away!


Excerted from Elias Davidsson's book.

Here are the source documents www.scribd.com...

Same info is available for UA175 I'm sure you'll do your due diligence and look for yourself.

One interesting note is that the NTSB flight path had 175 at an average speed of 774 mph over the last 4'40". Needless to say, a Boeing 767 can't fly that fast for that long while descending the final 8000 feet in one minute.

Hope this helps!

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You

I will do this shortly...in the meantime, if you'd like go on to Scribd and start reading Hijacking America's mind.

You would be the first person in 20 years.

Dude, the FBI interviewed Michael Winter in 2002 about Ballinger's notes (FBI 302-111892), 9/11 commission interviewed Ballinger in 2004. So, at worst the 3rd in 20 years.

You really didn't know this???

I'd go slink away if I were you because you are obviously in over your head here. This information was all released in 2009 (hmmmm why didn't it get released with the CR?) If I told you how long I've been researching this, you'd really be embarrassed.

At least have the integrity to admit you were wrong and it is absolutely not a lie.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra
Are you saying there were no bone remains contained with in charged bodies? Or no surviving teeth for DNA and dental identification?

No.

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

What line of the log shows there was a transmission after the jet crashed and what is the syntax for the ACARS system that it was a transmission from the aircraft.

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

Whole postings on ACARS

9/11 acars

www.internationalskeptics.com...

Post 2

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By Oystein



It's been discussed here:

www.internationalskeptics.com...ighlight...=ACARS

I am currently reading that thread, have progressed to post 52 (checking links is time consuming). Pay attention to Femr2, apathoid and CtColumbo and ztry to ignore the bickering by beachnut and others.


ETA: That thread never came to a definite conclusion, but this seems to be the gist:
The ACARS messages involving UA175 were messages to the plane, not from the plane. Obviously, it is possible to send a message to a receiver that is already destroyed.
ACARS messages get transmitted via VHF radio antennae on the ground near the plane - for planes at cruising altitude, "near" can be up to 200 miles away. Sender must include the ground station in the message. It seems that the ground station is usually determined from flight plans, not from live information about the plane's actual location. It seems Harrisburg (and 20 minutes later: Pittsburgh) was near the expected location of UA175 according to flight plan, had it not been hijacked, re-routed, and later crashed. If senders were not informed, or not sure, about the hijack, then sending via flight plan location was a reasonable thing to do. Message content assumed (or hoped) pilots were still in control.
An open issue is whether or not the message would have been recorded (printed out) without some technical acknowledgment from the plane's ACARS system that it has been received. Femr2 thinks that ACARS protocols (always?) include such automatic acknowledgements, apathoid and CptColumbo doubt it. Even if an ACK would have been the rule, it is not clear if an ACK was received or not. Furthermore, it is nor clear if the sent message would not have been recorded if an ACK was exected but not received
In short, having records of messages being send to (or via) Ground Radio in Pennsylvania is no proof of the plane actually being in Pennsylvania at that time, unless it can be proven that the ACARS ground system received an acknowledgment from the plane that it had received the message.

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You

The truth movement doesn't lie about this

Really? Based on what,

- it is right there in the FBI files - it's just that most people don't know where to find the source material.

What is? That a ground system was trying to transmit to a crashed jet. Like. God forbid. If I texted my friend after they died in a fiery crash where their cellphone was utterly destroyed.

Still waiting on…

What line of the log shows there was a transmission after the jet crashed and what is the syntax for the ACARS system that it was a transmission from the aircraft.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

What line of the log shows there was a transmission after the jet crashed and what is the syntax for the ACARS system that it was a transmission from the aircraft.

I showed this to you, but I will explain more for you.

The ACARS log provides, among other information, the following relevant items:

• Sending time (day-of-month and exact universal time)
• Aircraft registration number
• Three-letter code of the radio ground station (RGS)
• Flight number • Departure and destination airports (three-letter codes)
• Text of message • Name of sender
• Reception time in aircraft (month-and-day and universal time)

This is from page 51 of the SCRIBD file I linked to you:

DDLXCXA CHIAK CH68R
.CHIAKUA 111410/ED (day and time, universal so 10:10 a.m.)
CMD
AN N591UA/GL CMI (sent to tail number N591UA aka UA 93 roughed through CMI ground station (Chapaign, Illinois)
QUCHIAKUA 1UA93 EWRSFO (flight number / departure arrival destination)
MESSAGE FROM CHIUD
DO NOT DIVERT TO DC AREA (text of message
CHIDD ED BALLINGER (sender)
09111411 108575 0707 (message received at 09/11 @ 10:11)

a reply to: neutronflux"still waiting on"

sorry buddy, I went to the wave pool with my daughter and my wife...

This is a good site that explains all of Ballinger's communications.

911acars.blogspot.com...

This is my last message to you as you clearly have shown you have absolutely zero integrity.

And I take back my concession...that 747 going over people was probably flying at about 200mph, the alleged flight 77 was going 530 mph...more that twice the speed. Once again, not analogous.

Double post

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You didn’t read what I posted.

What line of the log shows there was a transmission after the jet crashed and what is the syntax for the ACARS system that it was a transmission from the aircraft.

What time mark on the log did the above occur.
Is you cannot list a specify time stamp from the log. You any got Sh!t

9/11 acars

www.internationalskeptics.com...


Post 27

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By Oystein


Time stamps are in Universal Time, which was ET +4h., So a stamp of "20010911 13:47:31" translates to 9:47:31ET.

Some stations can be looked up here:
www.angelfire.com...
Some more here:
www.universal-radio.com...
And a map here:
datalink.sas.se...

Some stations that I saw in the ACARS log:
BWI=Baltimore
CAK=Akron (Ohio)
CLE=Cleveland
CRW= Charleston (West Virginia)
CVG=Cincinnati
DTW=Detroit
EWR=Newark, NJ
FWA=Fort Wayne (Indiana)
HTS=? (I am guessing Huntington, West Virginia)
IAD=Washington (Dulles)
LGA=New York City (La Guardia)
ORF=Norfolk, VA
PIT=Pittsburg
SYR=Syracuse (NY)
TOL=Toledo (Ohio)
YYZ=Toronto

UA93 crashed at 10:03:11. Warren notices correctly that the last DLBLK message from UA93 was received at 10:01:57/59ET by ground stations Pittsburgh (ca. 80 miles from Shanksville) and Washington-Dulles (ca. 150 miles from Shanksville).
After crash time, there are no more DLBLK messages, only uplinks.

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You

09111411 108575 0707 (message received at 09/11 @ 10:11)

There is no transmitted acknowledgment from the jet to support any of what your posting.

You only have the equivalent of my sending you a message by walkie-talkie, and me saying you got the message with no proof of an active transmitted acknowledgement from you.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

You

09111411 108575 0707 (message received at 09/11 @ 10:11)

There is no transmitted acknowledgment from the jet to support any of what your posting.

You. are. wrong. Really, badly wrong. I have shown you the evidence that you are wrong.

I can't explain this any further to you that I already have.

ACARS uses radio ground stations (RGS) at various locations throughout the United States for communication The messages from the aircraft utilize the RGS in a downlink operating system.' ACARS uses radio ground stations (RGS) at various locations throughout the United States for communication The messages from the aircraft utilize the RGS in a downlink operating system. A central router determines the strongest signal received from the aircraft and routes the signal/message to UAL flight dispatch.'

This is because you don't know what evidence is. That is unbelievably unequivocal evidence that the plane was nowhere near Shanksville. The central router detected it there.Whatever the International Dorks for Government Propganda forum poster's conclusion...even if it could transmit to a destroyed receiver, the central router determined the plane was 500 miles away nearest CMI.

You only have the equivalent of my sending you a message by walkie-talkie

If you think ACARS is the equivalent of a walkie-talkie....nevermind, you do think that, and that explains a lot about your thought processes.

ACARS shows a message of "received" just like an iPhone. If you don't want to understand how ACARS works, then I can't make you do so.

a reply to: MaircasOflanahbra

More here…

Flight 93's ACARS Data - "A Question of Interpretation?"
September 28, 2018

sade050.blogspot.com...

Messages with the code:

• "ULMSG" are from airline to ARINC, to be routed via a target radio station (Target Stn) which could be the wrong one; it's probably determined by airline from flight plan

• "ULBLK" are messages from ground station to plane - the actual ground station sending is in the tag "Stn="

• "DLBLK" are messages from plane to ground station (downlink). The actual receiving station is in the tag "BepStnName="

Time stamps are in Universal Time, which was ET +4h. So a stamp of "20010911 13:47:31" translates to 9:47:31ET.

The last DLBLK message from UA93 was received at 10:01:57/59ET by ground stations Pittsburgh (ca. 80 miles from Shanksville) and Washington-Dulles (ca. 150 miles from Shanksville).

After the crash time, there are no more DLBLK messages, only uplinks.

Rob Balsamo at 'Pilots for 9/11 Truth' doubts Warren's expertise, and his interpretation of "BepStnName=" tags for DLBLK messages, and mockingly points out that a DLBLL was received from UA93 at 09:47:31ET by ground stations in Detroit, Dulles and Toronto. The message was also received by Pittsburgh and HTS (Huntington, WV?). Warren Stutt - warrenstutt.com...

Rob seems to think this is not possible. However, at the time the plane had turned near Cleveland and was somewhere near the Ohio-Pennsylvania-West Virginia state borders, heading east towards Pittsburgh. That location was approx.

• 200 miles from Detroit
• 250 miles from Toronto
• 250 miles from Washington
• 50 miles from Pittsburgh
• 200 miles from Huntington

All within reasonable range for planes at altitude.

sade050.blogspot.com...

There is no evidence the aircraft transmitted any type of acknowledgment after it crashed. Needed evidence to prove the aircraft wasn’t crashed. There is only the system trying to send messages to the aircraft like a cellphone system trying to send voice mail to a destroy cell phone.

The extraterrestrial angels replaced the plane of Flight 77 that they diverted beyond the Bermuda Triangle and rescued the missing persons with presumption of death.