9/11 Pentagon: The Mystery of the Moved Taxi

a reply to: RubyGray

Ruby. What did people see knock over crap on its way to crashing into the Pentagon.

Funny you ignore all the items that are documented that killed CIT’s credibility.

Why doesn’t CIT release all their interview footage?

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
Ruby compare both images spire in both.

Correct, the Air Force Memorial appears in both of these photos, although the perspectives are different.

The pic with Sgts Lagasse and Brooks is taken from the north side of the Citgo canopy, looking southwest, with Lagasse in pretty much the location he was at, near the northwest bowser, when he was watching the plane fly from his north, east towards the Pentagon.

The other pic was taken years later after the Citgo had been demolished. It looks South towards the area where the Citgo used to be, behind those pointy trees in the centre.

In both cases, the flightpath of the plane is from right to left of the pictures, north of the Citgo.

It is obvious that the plane could not have flown across the bridge, (far in the background of the lower photo) since it flew over the Navy Annex, to the north of where the Memorial was later built , then north of the Citgo.

The impact site at the Pentagon is way off to the left of both images.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here.

originally posted by: Hulseyreport

originally posted by: RubyGray
a reply to: Hulseyreport

You asked me some time ago, for the proof that Sgt William Lagasse denied that the plane flew across the bridge and hit any poles there.

Here belatedly is that info for you.

It is to be found on the video above.

Ruby you keep forgetting the plane 124 feet wide.
 Sgt William Lagasse
It, not a northside witness his a southwest witness.

Maps show it.
This is the bridge
To your right ( not the left side) is the Petrol station. And also the left side of the Navy Annex building ( you see the spire thing?)
How can the plane be at the cemetery?

Sgt Lagasse stated that he absolutely saw the plane flying to the NORTH of him, which is NORTH ofthe Citgo.

He stated that he was 100% CERTAIN that the plane DID NOT FLY SOUTH of the Citgo.

He said he would 100% BET HIS LIFE ON IT that the plane flew between Arlington Cemetery and the Citgo. (@ 29:45 on NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT.)

He drew the NORTH-OF-CITGO FLIGHTPATH on the overhead photo.

He said that LLOYDE ENGLAND'S CAB was hit by a pole OPPOSITE THE HELIPORT, NOT ON THE BRIDGE.

He said that NOTHING AT ALL HAPPENED ON THE BRIDGE.

He said that he had NEVER HEARD OF ANYBODY WHO SAID THAT ANYTHING HAPPENED ON THE BRIDGE.

In your 2 photos, those buildings on the left hand side are the cemetery buildings which were constructed after 2001 on top of what used to be the ANC parking lot.

Sgt Lagasse said that the plane's left wing flew across there.
So did Sgt Brooks.
So did all the ANC employees.
So did ATC Sean Boger.

Both Steve Riskus and Lloyde England saw the plane suddenly appear close in front of them from behind the trees just to the east (right) of those buildings.
The taller trees you can see next to the right-hand roof, are the trees on top of the cemetery bank.
Lloyde England was on the highway just on the other side of those trees.

The impact site on the Pentagon was just at the edge of those trees.

In your 2nd pic, the brightly-lit side of the Pentagon is the WEST face.
The grey side is the SOUTH-WEST face.

There is no way that Sgt Lagasse can be a Southside witness!

Still, I am interested to see how you came to your conclusion about that.

Perhaps you could post a copy of Sgt Lagasse's hand drawn flightpath, and compare it with your own overhead map of where you think he saw the plane fly?

His map of the Northside flightpath can be found on the CIT video NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT at time 30:09.

Sgt Chadwick Brooks' flightpath is at 30:47 on NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT.

Robert Turcios' flightpath is at 25:02.

William Middleton's flightpath is at 35:37. "It came right over our parking lot", @ 35:43.

Darrell Stafford's flightpath is at 39:39. "It appeared that it was coming right for us actually", @ 38:36.

Darius Prather's flightpath is at 42:01. "In between from where the gas station is but more over this way more", @ 41:51. "And part of the wing was like over in this area (cemetery parking lot)", @ 41:52. "This was the direction it came, straight through that little road along there, and it started PIVOTING UP," @ 41:55.

Donald Carter's flightpath is at 43:09.

ATC Sean Boger's view from the Heliport Tower of the plane flying between the north side of the Citgo and the ANC buildings, is found at 47:49.

Eyewitness evidence for the plane banking to the RIGHT as it approached the Pentagon, is here:

48:40 - 48:50 Sean Boger.

38:50 - 39:05 Darrell Stafford.

40:35 - 40:41 Darius Prather.

43:02 - 43:06 Donald Carter.

58:52 -59:13 Maria de la Cerda, watching from on top of the cemetery, believed she saw the plane hit the Pentagon "ON THE OTHER SIDE" or "ON TOP".

a reply to: RubyGray

If CIT has integrity, why don’t they release all their interview video? Not just their heavily edited releases.

You claim Edward Paik was a witnesses? How is that possible? He was inside a building?

CIT Fraud Revealed

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It has appeared on forum after forum, time and time again, as a ‘recreation’ of Edward Paik’s observation of AAL77 on September 11, 2001 and we are led to believe that this is also where he was when he made it. This is a location outside of the A-One Auto facility on Columbia Pike, about 50 feet in front of the shop.

However, as revealed a few years ago during my interview with his brother Shinki Paik, Ed was INSIDE the shop when the plane flew by.

Shinki Interview

Now, a follow-up with Ed Paik on location shows that indeed Ed was INSIDE the shop when he saw the plane. He recreates his actual POV and direction of sighting in this image.



This demonstrates that CIT has been very deceptive and less than honest in regards to the information they have been promoting. That is why many of us have asked to see and/or hear the entire recorded eyewitness accounts recorded by CIT, NOT the edited and staged versions they have released in their productions.

Craig, it is time to release ALL of the recorded interview footage. It is time for a new investigation and a new movement, or should I say the CIT-Truth Now movement. This is a case of "eyewitness speaks, conspiracy revealed", but the conspirators are Crag and Aldo, and the conspiracy is to conceal the truth.
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Pentagon attack witness Terry Morin, September 2001 at the Navy Annex/FoB #2:

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The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB).”

The use of ‘essentially’ in conjunction with his otherwise detailed account shows he means it was very nearly over him but not quite. “Parallel” I take as an accurate observation but not necessarily 100% precise. The real path of Flight 77 does in fact run about parallel to the building’s edge, as seen here. Also, parallel is a word describing two different lines. He did not say “along the edge,” so it was probably centered either north or south of that line, and if north, his failing to describe it as over the building is curious.

“I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure.”

Seeing stripes indicates, as he said, that it was not directly over him (unless in a severe sideways bank, which neither he nor anyone mentions). It was either some combination of south and banking left (and he’d see the left/port side), or north and banking right (in which case he’d see the right side). The former seemed to fit his continued line-of-sight, nearly up to impact, and of course also fits with where the plane actually was and where Morin said in 2001 that he was. He describes his continuing view thus:

“Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon.”

His lateral line-of-sight would be set by the edge of the 8th wing’s SE corner. This would completely block his view of anything too far north, and this path does have something of a north trend. His approximate line-of-sight then is represented by the yellow line in my second graphic, above. Note that the last stretch of the path and the impact itself would be invisible from his angle, unless he moved significantly south.

He also specifically mentions a vertical line-of-sight, defined by a row of trees running along the crest of the hill east of the FoB. In the analysis below, descent rate again approximated, the point where he’d lose sight of the plane appears to work out to about the same location – that is, it went too far north to see at about the same time it went too low, all at around the yellow line. I'd venture from these rough renderings that it would disappear below the horizon just before passing behind the building.

CIT failed because they have been proven to have no integrity. They cannot explain what the north flight path witnesses saw impact the damage. They have no explanation for the deaths and destruction at the pentagon. They have no explanation for what people saw knocking over poles on on the way to crashing into the pentagon. They ignore all the flight path damage. Their are no witnesses that saw / heard a jet miss the pentagon and fly off.

originally posted by: RubyGray

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
Ruby compare both images spire in both.

Correct, the Air Force Memorial appears in both of these photos, although the perspectives are different.

The pic with Sgts Lagasse and Brooks is taken from the north side of the Citgo canopy, looking southwest, with Lagasse in pretty much the location he was at, near the northwest bowser, when he was watching the plane fly from his north, east towards the Pentagon.

The other pic was taken years later after the Citgo had been demolished. It looks South towards the area where the Citgo used to be, behind those pointy trees in the centre.

In both cases, the flightpath of the plane is from right to left of the pictures, north of the Citgo.

It is obvious that the plane could not have flown across the bridge, (far in the background of the lower photo) since it flew over the Navy Annex, to the north of where the Memorial was later built , then north of the Citgo.

The impact site at the Pentagon is way off to the left of both images.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here.

Ruby you talking absolute nonsense. An airplane that 124 feet from wing to wing will comfortably fit into this frame. It can pass over to the Navy Annex or be even slightly to left and still strike the lightpoles on the bridge. 

If it's somewhere else and not at the Annex, then you theory would make more sense.
The cemetery wall is not even in the frame. 

All the eyewitnesses saw the airplane within this frame, nowhere else. Including the CIT so called north side witnesses.

a reply to: Hulseyreport

Ruby you talking absolute nonsense. 

That is rather rude of you, especially since you obviously do not grasp the simple concept here, the distances and angles involved.

The Official Flightpath is dead straight.
You need to draw some lines on your map so you understand the problem.
The line runs from the impact site which is right at the top edge of your picture, then back between the 2 lightpoles on the west side of the bridge, and on down to well south of the southwest corner of the Navy Annex.
This line would be the body of the plane.
It passes through the damage path inside the Pentagon and out the hole in the C-ring wall.
This is at a very steep angle to the Pentagon west wall.

The trouble is, NOBODY SAW the plane fly this route!
I have asked you several times to provide quotes from people who testify to having seen the plane fly this trajectory, but apparently you are unable to find any.

However, MANY EYEWITNESSES describe seeing and being directly beneath the plane on a very different flight path.
They saw the plane BANK TO THE RIGHT, and approach the west wall perpendicular to it, not at a steep angle.
This flightpath is curved, not straight.
Witnesses reported that the plane LIFTED UP to miss the overhead sign as it crossed the highway, less than one second away from the wall.
A plane travelling this route could not possibly hit any lightpoles, and it would be at the wrong angle to have caused that directional damage inside the Pentagon.
It was nowhere near the bridge.
WITNESSES who were actually on the bridge DID NOT SEE THE PLANE FLY ACROSS them.
They saw it fly much further in front of them, and straight across the road, not angled.

You need to mark in some Northside flightpath points on your map too, as many people saw the plane at various locations which can be plotted in.

EDWARD PAIK saw the plane flying across the southwest corner of the Navy Annex.
Drop a line down from this point, due south to the Official Flightpath, and you will find that Paik's view was about 500 feet north of the official line.

ALBERT HEMPHILL was in about the 8th to 10th window back from the northeast corner of the Navy Annex, when he saw the plane fly across in front of him and north of the Citgo. Drop a line from his position down to the Official Flightpath, and you will find it is almost 700 feet north of it.

SERGEANT LAGASSE saw the plane flying north of his position on the north side of the Citgo station.
That position is about 800 feet due north of the official flightpath.

ALL THE ANC WORKERS saw the plane fly towards them, with its left wing over their parking lot.
Then it flew across the Columbia Pike exit road at the top of the northwest cloverleaf, which just touches the top of your map. That point is about 460 feet north of the official flightpath, exactly where it crossed the bridge.

The plane on the flightpath seen by ALL the eyewitnesses, could not possibly hit those lightpoles.
It was much too far north of the bridge.

If it's somewhere else and not at the Annex, then you theory would make more sense. 
The cemetery wall is not even in the frame.  

I am not sure what you mean by this.
This is not "MY THEORY".
This is what ALL the eyewitnesses SAW!!!

The cemetery retaining wall is not in this frame only because you cut it off.
What is your point?
But the wall on the south side of the ANC service complex is on this map, at the top directly above the word "Columbia".
Many witnesses said the plane flew across this wall.

Steve Riskus and Lloyde England were driving along beside the cemetery bank, north of the Columbia Pike exit sign, when they both saw the plane fly across the road.

All the eyewitnesses saw the airplane within this frame, nowhere else. Including the CIT so called north side witnesses. 

Yes, of course they did, because the plane flew here, on the Northside flightpath.
But NOBODY saw the plane hitting those lightpoles on the bridge, because the plane was nowhere near them.

I plotted over the Navy Annex and slightly to the left. Are you really going to claim the wing could not have hit the light poles on the bridge as it passed over the highway?





My guess is the first plot is most accurate- going by Norad Radar returns.

Based on what I see the plane was likely coming in along the path in red.

a reply to: RubyGray

We first heard there was a fire at the Pentagon and then there was a really low flying aircraft outside our window that nearly knocked out all the glass. It seemed to be heading straight for congress. 
Harriet Anderson, Sheffield, England

This is some of the evidence, which was successfully buried by the media.

I never saw this before, until I came across it on a 2008 forum, where the poster said he had found it years ago, then lost it and finally found it again.

What  are the connotations here?

This lady was working in an office building on the east side of the Potomac River.

Someone in the office noticed the explosion and smoke at the Pentagon.

Then an illegally low aircraft flew so dangerously close to their building that it seriously rattled all their windows. Just as some eyewitnesses had said the low-flying 757 rattled car windows of motorists near the Pentagon.

This at a time when there was a nationwide grounding of all commercial planes.

The plane was "heading straight for congress". That is about 3.5 miles northeast of the Pentagon. I don't know her address at the time, but presumably she was closer to Congress than the Pentagon, to be able to make this distinction.

If the plane was flying at say 300 mph, it would take 42 seconds to fly this distance. It would be interesting to know the time interval this lady was talking about, but no hard-hitting journalist ever thought to ask.

Just like no journalist EVER followed up on the testimonies of 

MICHAEL KELLY

DON SCOTT

KAT GAINES,

for instance, which were all given very early, but were one-hit wonders never researched nor repeated.

Why? I believe that all these were FLYOVER WITNESS TESTIMONIES, which the witnesses themselves did not even recognise as such at the time, but which were nipped in the bud after initial publication.

How many testimonies were recorded by the Center for Military History etc, which have never been made public? Very few of the hundreds of interviews are accessible. How many 911 calls were made by people who saw a dangerously low-flying aircraft overhead after the Pentagon explosion? We will never know, because for some reason, all such calls were sequestered.

ALL these people and more, such as Roosevelt Roberts, Levi Stephens, Dewitt Roseborough,  Meseidy Rodriguez, Maria de la Cerda, Erik Dihle, Robert Turcios, Darius Prather, Aziz ElHallou, Dennis Smith,  etc, gave anomalous testimony which can be interpreted as indicative of having witnessed a flyover plane at some phase of its trajectory.

The guy in the forecourt of the Doubletree Hotel, looking up into the sky to the EAST while the Pentagon is in flames behind him on the CCTV footage, had to be watching something even more significant in the air. So where is his recorded testimony? How come no journalist ever sought him out?

How many flyover plane eyewitnesses DID recognise this for what it was, and decided wisely to keep this secret to themselves? Again, we have no way of knowing. The story of David Ball, who allegedly talked about his experience, was invited ontoJim Fetzer's talk show to discuss it, but was very reluctant, and was then found murdered, has been ridiculed by official story believers. But what if it was true?

How many other eyewitnesses were dealt with in this manner? 

Consider the case of Virginia Department of Transportation Operations Manager, Christopher Landis. A young family man with everything to live for. He worked at the VDOT depot on Columbia Pike just opposite the Navy Annex. Here, many monitored screens relayed video from traffic cameras near the Pentagon. Three cameras in particular showed the area where the jet flew that day, along Route 27. One at the bridge, one near the Helipad, and one north of the Columbia Pike exit sign. Even if (which I doubt) nobody saw the plane fly towards the Pentagon on any of these monitors, and even if (which I also doubt) these cameras did not record live action 24/7,  then no doubt these cameras would soon have been trained on the area after the fact, and would certainly have been recording from then on.

In this case, there was multiple footage of (at the very least) Lloyde England's taxi cab having the pole removed from its windshield by the Silent Stranger in the WHITE VAN. There was footage of Lloyde falling onto his back as the secobdary explosion occurred at the Pentagon about 4 minutes post impact (photographed by Daryl Donley) under the weight of the pole, as that Silent Stranger returned to his van and drove south to park (behind the camera) on the bridge for several minutes.

There was footage of that police detective pushing Lloyde to the ground and packing him off while the tow truck operators loaded his cab onto that unique orange tongueless low loader trailer seen in the background of Jason Ingersoll's photo DSC_0420, which so resembles the orange tongueless low loader trailer seen in Craig Ranke's video, "VDOT TOUR OF LIGHT POLES", in the very depot which Christopher Landis managed.

There was footage, from both north and south, of that towtruck relocating Lloyde England's cab from the cemetery wall to the top of the bridge, and of the DECOY CAB which had held its place, speeding away as the towtruck arrived. There was footage of the tableau being arranged by a crew of operatives, and of that huge lightpole being dragged across the highway where it left that telltale scratch in the road surface seen in Jason Ingersoll's photo DSC_0420. 

There was footage of the towtruck and unloaded trailer exiting north via the northwest on-ramp, and unhitching the trailer there on the side of the cloverleaf, where it left telltale tyre tracks on the grass (as captured on Ingersoll's DSC_0420) as it did a U-turn back onto the cloverleaf, and drove out onto Columbia Pike.

There was footage of Donald Rumsfeld' own bodyguard collecting Lloyde England in a brown Jeep from further north in the HOV lane, then decanting him near his cab, and guarding him while Corporal Jason Ingersoll took a series of high-resolution photographs of this crucial scene.

When Craig Ranke interviewed Christopher Landis, Ranke reported that he was noticeably very nervous. However, Landis did give permission to film inside the monitor room ( CIT video "INSIDE THE VDOT BUILDING"),  from the top of this buioding (CIT video "VDOT ROOF") and outside in the depot's lightpole storage area where that orange trailer was.

Landis also gave Ranke the full, high-resolution Jason Ingersoll photo collection.

Within a few days, Christopher Landis had "committed suicide".

This was not widely reported in relation to 9/11, probably because it occurred several years later. But some people have made a connection.

Christopher Landis knew the origin and significance of the VDOT TRAILER shown on the photo of Lloyde England and his cab on the bridge.

I suggest that Christopher Landis was a whistleblower, whether he died by his own hand or because of foul play. He was in the box seat to know exactly what had been pulled off right there on the highway in front of the Pentagon, behind the backs of witnesses watching the Pentagon burn. He knew where that low loader trailer came from. He knew how the lightpoles were manipulated. He may have had no foreknowledge nor played any part in the scheme, but as Operations Manager, he was ultimately responsible for the displacement of lightpoles and misappropriation of VDOT vehicles.

a reply to: RubyGray

Ruby. What did the north flight path witnesses see hit the pentagon. What did witnesses see knocking over crap on the way to hitting the pentagon. How did the remains of the passengers and crew, and the wreckage of flight 77 end up at the pentagon.

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
I plotted over the Navy Annex and slightly to the left.
Are you really going to claim the wing could not have hit the light poles on the bridge as it passed over the highway?

My guess is the first plot is most accurate- going by Norad Radar returns.

Ok. This is a very subjective flightpath you have drawn, based on no evidence whatsoever.
It does not fit the official story apart from your dead straight line.

Your second image has the impact point placed much too far south on the wall.
You have ignored the abundant testimony about the plane banking right after it cleared the Navy Annex.

There are no witnesses who saw the plane on the lines you marked in.
On what are you basing your guesses?

In the second image, you have the plane flying altogether north of the Sheraton Hotel, also north of the Navy Annex, but south of the Citgo, yet still well north of the bridge.
Who saw the plane here?

You ignore the testimony of EDWARD PAIK, who witnessed the right wing just south of his mechanic shop, and the plane crossing the southwest corner of the Navy Annex.

You ignore the testimony of TERRY MORIN, who was standing between the 4th and 5th wings of the Navy Annex, about 10 feet inside from the southern side, when the plane flew across him.

You ignore the testimony of ALBERT HEMPHILL, who was facing east in a window about 8 to 10 south of the northeast CORNER of the Navy Annex, when the plane flew across him.

You ignore the testimony of ROBERT TURCIOS, SGT BROOKS & SGT LAGASSE who were all at the Citgo station, and all stated that the plane flew entirely to the NORTH of it.

You ignore the testimony of DARREL STAFFORD, WILLIAM MIDDLETON, DONALD CARTER, DARIUS PRATHER & GEORGE AMAN, who all stated that they witnessed the plane (its left wing) fly across their parking lot.

Then you also ignore the testimony of numerous positively located witnesses stopped in traffic on Route 27, who said the plane flew in front of them or right overhead, such as STEVE RISKUS, LLOYDE ENGLAND, MARY ANN OWENS, PENNY ELGAS, CHERYL RYEFIELD, FATHER STEPHEN MCGRAW, VIN NARAYANAN, etc. You have the plane crossing the highway much too far south for them. Also for ALAN WALLACE, MARK SKIPPER and ATC SEAN BOGER who saw the plane head-on from the heliport.

And yet you still have not quoted a single witness who corroborates your theory!

Your first image at least has one single eyewitness under your Flightpath. ALBERT HEMPHILL. You have the plane directly over his position in the Navy Annex, but here you have the plane flying even further south of the Citgo, and nowhere near the cemetery parking lot, or any of the other witnesses.

And YES, I am definitely going to state that the plane crossing Route 27 in both your images, cannot possibly have hit any of the lightpoles on the bridge.
I know this because I took the trouble to measure the distance accurately. The 2 poles on the western side of the highway, one at each end of the bridge, are less than 124 feet apart, and if the plane had hit them, it MUST have flown EXACTLY BETWEEN THEM, to have hit both of them.

But you have the fuselage of the plane about 240 feet NORTH of the northern pole, and about 330 feet NORTH of the southern pole.
The wingtips are just 62 feet from the centre of the fuselage, so NO, the wing could not possibly have hit even the NORTH pole, never mind both of them.

Seems as though you really have not bothered to study these things! You don't appear to realise how many poles were downed, and where exactly they were. The five poles formed a tight, precise corridor, and the plane MUST have flown exactly between them ...

except that it actually flew nowhere near them, and they were downed by some mechanism and process other than a speeding plane.

Interesting that you post that image from fhe FAA/NORAD animation.
In fact, it contradicts both flightpaths you drew, because it has the plane flying NORTH of the Citgo, whereas you have it SOUTH.
Of course, this shows a 3-D representation of the plane well above ground level, so the flight path drawn on the ground beneath it would be even further north than this image seems to show.

Also, if you keep watching this animation, you will notice that after the plane crosses the Navy Annex on the path I have described, then made a significant RIGHT BANK, passed north of the Citgo, over the Columbia Pike exit road, impacted the Pentagon at the 3rd floor instead of ground floor, and after the explosion ....

... the red line from the plane continues across the Pentagon, and over the other side, beyond the southeast wall and and out across South Parking.

This is what was described by several eyewitnesses, such as :

SERGEANT ROOSEVELT ROBERTS
KAT GAINES
DON SCOTT
MICHAEL KELLY

How come nobody ever remarks on this???

a reply to: RubyGray

Ruby. You have repeatedly been caught making crap up. And using unreliable CIT arguments.

What did the north flight path witnesses see hit the pentagon.

What did people attest to seeing knocking over crap on the way to crashing into the pentagon.

There is no evidence and no witnesses to a jet that maneuvered around the pentagon and flew off.

How did the remains of the passengers and crew of flight 77 end up dead at the pentagon.

What killed the people in the pentagon.

How did the wreckage of flight 77 end up at the pentagon.

What remains were released to the surviving family members of those aboard flight 77.

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
Based on what I see the plane was likely coming in along the path in red.

Which path in red? You have 2 red lines here.

But they both terminate at a point too far South on the Pentagon west wall, and they both miss ALL the eyewitness locations.

You have this line crossing the bridge, sure, but ...

... WHERE ARE THE EYEWITNESSES who testify that the plane flew on this flightpath, then across the bridge?

Could you please quote them all?

a reply to: RubyGray

Why didn’t you list Ed Paik?

a reply to: RubyGray

Ruby. You have repeatedly been caught making crap up. And using unreliable CIT arguments.

What did the north flight path witnesses see hit the pentagon.

What did people attest to seeing knocking over crap on the way to crashing into the pentagon.

There is no evidence and no witnesses to a jet that maneuvered around the pentagon and flew off.

How did the remains of the passengers and crew of flight 77 end up dead at the pentagon.

What killed the people in the pentagon.

How did the wreckage of flight 77 end up at the pentagon.

What remains were released to the surviving family members of those aboard flight 77.

originally posted by: Hulseyreport

Ruby you keep forgetting the plane 124 feet wide.
 Sgt William Lagasse
It, not a northside witness his a southwest witness.

Maps show it.
This is the bridge
To your right ( not the left side) is the Petrol station. And also the left side of the Navy Annex building ( you see the spire thing?)
How can the plane be at the cemetery?

Here are some of your images with the actual flightpaths plotted on overheads of the same fields of view, vs. your imagined flightpaths which were seen by nobody, and which are anyway, absolutely impossible for a plane to fly.

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
Everything I have seen, even your evidence, the airplane was flying along the path of red dots.

The plane was nowhere near the cementry.

Actually, that is exactly where it was.

The plane's left wing flew right across the Arlington National Cemetery parking lot, as attested by many eyewitnesses.



Just look at the distances that the Northside flightpath is, north of the Southside flightpath!
See the blue and white box, which is the accurate dimensions of a 757 plane.

There is no way the plane seen by Turcios, Lagasse and Brooks, plus all the Cemetery employees and many others on the Northside flightpath, could possibly have flown anywhere near the bridge.

Compare the above Northside flightpath seen by so many, with the way that your flightpath (seen by nobody) has to dodge and weave to get across the bridge, here :

a reply to: RubyGray

Ruby. Answer the question. What did the north flight path witnesses see hit the pentagon.

Forget the official story. The plane merely has to line up to affect light poles on the bridge and be in the area to reach the west wall.
Norad video- the airplane passing across the middle of the Navy Annex ( Watch it) And then passing the circle road!

Official claim or least what maintained the plane was coming in along S Washington Blvd. 
For me either the black line or green line can be correct ( with a margin of error) the (black line is more accurate if we suppose Norad video is correct!



 Either way Ruby- Robert lifted his right hand to show where the plane was and this would be along the black line! 
He did not switch to his left hand and declare the plane was over by Arlington Cemetery!  A plane heading that way would miss all light poles on the bridge but can still strike the west wall.

Look at SGT lagaisse plane diagram again! He actually draws a line through the second circle road near the bridge ( my black line is same) and they're likely to be a tiny error difference.

The fact is all evidence points to an airplane striking light poles on the bridge.
None of the witnesses declare they saw a plane where you describe Lloyd cab at before it got moved to the bridge.
Did the plane hit light poles and travel over the Pentagon and keep going, well I need to see evidence that happened, but the official line about the position of the plane is solid. 

a reply to: Hulseyreport

The fact is all evidence points to an airplane striking light poles on the bridge. 
None of the witnesses declare they saw a plane where you describe Lloyd cab at before it got moved to the bridge. 

I keep asking, but never get a response ...

Can you quote me exactly WHICH EVIDENCE points to a plane STRIKING LIGHTPOLES ON THE BRIDGE?

I have never seen any such evidence.

Poles lying on the ground are nothing but circumstantial evidence, inadmissible in a court of law.

WHERE are the first-person quotes from credible, verified witnesses, stating that they saw a plane hit 5 poles as it flew across the bridge?

JOEL SUCHERMAN
YVETTE BUZARD
EUGENIO HERNANDEZ
CAMERA GUY
HIS WIFE DORIS ...
... were all stopped in traffic south of the overhead sign on the bridge, but NONE of them saw this.

I have never said that the plane flew where Lloyde England was.
I said that the plane flew across the highway as depicted in the FAA / NORAD animation, which was just in front (south of) Lloyde England's location.
It was also in front of STEVE RISKUS, who was driving right behind (north of) Lloyde England.

Steve Riskus provided numerous images showing exactly where he was, and where the plane flew relative to his location.
This exactly corresponds with Lloyde England's account.

This plane flew over the top of
CHERYL RYEFIELD
FATHER STEPHEN MCGRAW
VIN NARAYANAN
MARY ANN OWENS
etc etc.

These people were all hundreds of yards north of the bridge, opposite the heliport.

Please stop misrepresenting what I said, and back up your constant claims with the actual evidence.