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9/11 Pentagon: The Mystery of the Moved Taxi

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posted on Oct, 23 2019 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.

The FDR claimed to have been found (by SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, in SEVERAL PLACES, on SEVERAL DAYS), was never identified by any serial number.

Nor was any other piece of the plane debris found at the Pentagon identified to N644AA by a serial number.

According to the NTSB's official data, N644AA never took off that morning.



posted on Oct, 23 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray

You


Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.


This has been covered in this thread with the individual claiming the flight recorder data was false never produced such evidence.

Please quote the NTSB's data if that is the case.

The jet that hit the pentagon was tracked from the originating airport to the pentagon.

So you have lots of claims that you cannot quote and cite?



posted on Oct, 23 2019 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray

Again.

You


claiming they are lying,


Then quote from my posts which CITGO witnesses I said are lying



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: RubyGray


YOUR major problem is that NOBODY saw the plane fly across the bridge.






posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 07:07 AM
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originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: RubyGray


YOUR major problem is that NOBODY saw the plane fly across the bridge.





Thanks for posting this again, which totally confirms what I wrote.

Apparently you have not consulted a map of the Pentagon and Navy Annex area, to check this flightpath seen by firefighter Alan Wallace.
You seem to think this drawing by Alan Wallace proves that he saw the plane crossing the bridge!
So apparently, you have also not read his several eyewitness testimonies.

Here is an account by Museum Curator William Yeingst:
"They had just pulled the foam truck out of the firehouse and were standing there when they looked up and saw the plane coming over the Navy Annex."

Alan Wallace was standing on the south side of the firehouse under the heliport when he first noticed the plane. He did not hear it until he saw it.
He gave several estimates of how far the plane was from him, but says that he saw it for only 1 1/2 seconds before the impact.
At the maximum claimed speed of about 750 fps, the plane would have been about 1,100 feet from the building.
That is, about halfway across the northwest cloverleaf.

Now go look up a map of the area, and plot in the points that Wallace drew on the flightpath.
His location, the impact point, and where the plane crossed the highway.

Note that he has the plane crossing Route 27 at the intersection where the South Parking exit road joins the highway.
That point is about 200 yards northeast of the bridge.

Extend this line straight out until it is 1,100 feet from the impact site, and you will discover that the location of the plane when Alan Wallace first saw it, is ...

NOWHERE NEAR THE BRIDGE ... But ...

PASSING OVER THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE NORTHWEST CLOVERLEAF.

Of course, this means ALAN WALLACE WITNESSED THE PLANE ON THE NORTH-OF-CITGO FLIGHTPATH.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

You


Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.


This has been covered in this thread with the individual claiming the flight recorder data was false never produced such evidence.

Please quote the NTSB's data if that is the case.

The jet that hit the pentagon was tracked from the originating airport to the pentagon.

So you have lots of claims that you cannot quote and cite?


Au contraire.
The official NTSB animation of the plane's flightpath was released by FOIA request in 2006.
Haven't you seen it then?
Because if you had seen it, you would not be asking me to QUOTE THE NTSB'S DATA here!

"AMERICAN AIRLINES 77 FLIGHTPATH"
youtu.be...

Buckle up and get out your hanky, because the NTSB's OFFICIAL FDR DATA supports :

Alan Wallace,
Mark Skipper,
Lloyde England,
Steve Riskus,
Vin Narayanan,
ATC Sean Boger,
Mary Ann Owens,
Joel Sucherman,
Cheryl Ryefield,
Father Stephen McGraw,
Captain Lincoln Liebner,
Robert Turcios,
Penny Elgas,
Sgt William Lagasse,
Sgt Chadwick Brooks,
Albert Hemphill,
Terry Morin,
Edward Paik,
James Mosley,
Christopher Munsey,
Frank Probst,
Levi Stephens,
Steve Patterson,
Yvette Buzard,
George Aman,
William Middleton,
Darrell Stafford,
Donald Carter,
Russell Roy,
Darius Prather,
Erik Dihle,
Maria de la Cerda,
Don Scott,
Eugenio Hernandez,
Camera Guy and his family,,
CIT,
Salander,
me,
and everybody else who DID NOT SEE THE PLANE FLY ACROSS THE BRIDGE,
and who DID SEE the plane flying on the NORTH-OF-CITGO FLIGHTPATH!
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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray

How?



Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon
Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, ( B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011


Summary and Conclusion
In response to FOIA requests the NTSB provided a CSV file and a coded FDR file. All contradictions between the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and these files appear to be traceable to missing data. In the case of the CSV file the data stopped about four seconds short of the impact. In the case of the FDR file the final frame was not initially decoded. Some researchers recognized that data was missing, while others claimed that the files proved the official account was false, as it appeared the flight terminated at a point too high to have created the observed damage trail on the ground.
Previous analyses were further confounded by uncertainty of the position of the last data point; failure to consider possible calibration errors in the pressure altimeter data, caused by high speed and low altitude; and false information in the NTSB flight animation.
The recent complete decoding of the FDR file has enlarged and clarified the information available and has thereby enabled resolution of the contradictions. It is clear that this file supports the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and the consequent impact with the Pentagon. The file thus also supports the majority of eyewitness reports.



And you original statement was..


Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.

The FDR claimed to have been found (by SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, in SEVERAL PLACES, on SEVERAL DAYS), was never identified by any serial number.

Nor was any other piece of the plane debris found at the Pentagon identified to N644AA by a serial number.

According to the NTSB's official data, N644AA never took off that morning.


Which I asked..

This has been covered in this thread with the individual claiming the flight recorder data was false never produced such evidence.

Please quote the NTSB's data if that is the case.

The jet that hit the pentagon was tracked from the originating airport to the pentagon.

So you have lots of claims that you cannot quote and cite?

And now have completely ignored.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray

Again..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

Again.

You


claiming they are lying,


Then quote from my posts which CITGO witnesses I said are lying

By omission, you acknowledge that you literally make crap up as it suits you. That your arguments are based on intellectual dishonesty.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

How?



Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon
Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, ( B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011


Summary and Conclusion
In response to FOIA requests the NTSB provided a CSV file and a coded FDR file. All contradictions between the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and these files appear to be traceable to missing data. In the case of the CSV file the data stopped about four seconds short of the impact. In the case of the FDR file the final frame was not initially decoded. Some researchers recognized that data was missing, while others claimed that the files proved the official account was false, as it appeared the flight terminated at a point too high to have created the observed damage trail on the ground.
Previous analyses were further confounded by uncertainty of the position of the last data point; failure to consider possible calibration errors in the pressure altimeter data, caused by high speed and low altitude; and false information in the NTSB flight animation.
The recent complete decoding of the FDR file has enlarged and clarified the information available and has thereby enabled resolution of the contradictions. It is clear that this file supports the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and the consequent impact with the Pentagon. The file thus also supports the majority of eyewitness reports.



And you original statement was..


Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.

The FDR claimed to have been found (by SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, in SEVERAL PLACES, on SEVERAL DAYS), was never identified by any serial number.

Nor was any other piece of the plane debris found at the Pentagon identified to N644AA by a serial number.

According to the NTSB's official data, N644AA never took off that morning.


Which I asked..

This has been covered in this thread with the individual claiming the flight recorder data was false never produced such evidence.

Please quote the NTSB's data if that is the case.

The jet that hit the pentagon was tracked from the originating airport to the pentagon.

So you have lots of claims that you cannot quote and cite?

And now have completely ignored.



There are millions of synapses misfiring over there.

HOW MANY NORTHSIDE WITNESSES DID I JUST NAME?

EVERY ONE OF THEM either WAS ON THE BRIDGE but the PLANE DID NOT FLY OVER THEM,
OR
SAW THE PLANE FLYING ON THE NORTHSIDE FLIGHTPATH.

Quit your lies.

You have had time to view that video I posted for you, WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL NTSB FDR DATA.

Quit pretending this evidence does not exist.

Nobody cares about Frank Legge's and Warren Stutt's fraudulent calculations, especially the NTSB, because the NTSB ANIMATION SHOWS THE PLANE ON THE NORTHSIDE FLIGHTPATH.

IT IS LEGGE & STUTT WHO GAVE FALSE INFORMATION. They accused the NTSB DATA of being wrong! And you are happy to accept that from them, yet you demand that I quote NTSB data which you believe is the truth? Make up your mind!

It is the NTSB which IS THE OFFICIAL SOURCE.

I also just proved to you that ALAN WALLACE & MARK SKIPPER SAW THE PLANE ON THE NORTHSIDE FLIGHTPATH.

NOBODY SAW THE PLANE FLY ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

DID NOT HAPPEN.

SUCK IT UP & GET OVER IT.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray

The below article goes through and explains its conclusions.

Please quote which conclusions you believe are false, with cited evidence what you think makes it’s false.



Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon
Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, ( B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011


www.journalof911studies.com...


Summary and Conclusion
In response to FOIA requests the NTSB provided a CSV file and a coded FDR file. All contradictions between the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and these files appear to be traceable to missing data. In the case of the CSV file the data stopped about four seconds short of the impact. In the case of the FDR file the final frame was not initially decoded. Some researchers recognized that data was missing, while others claimed that the files proved the official account was false, as it appeared the flight terminated at a point too high to have created the observed damage trail on the ground.
Previous analyses were further confounded by uncertainty of the position of the last data point; failure to consider possible calibration errors in the pressure altimeter data, caused by high speed and low altitude; and false information in the NTSB flight animation.
The recent complete decoding of the FDR file has enlarged and clarified the information available and has thereby enabled resolution of the contradictions. It is clear that this file supports the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and the consequent impact with the Pentagon. The file thus also supports the majority of eyewitness reports.



And you original statement was..


Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.

The FDR claimed to have been found (by SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, in SEVERAL PLACES, on SEVERAL DAYS), was never identified by any serial number.

Nor was any other piece of the plane debris found at the Pentagon identified to N644AA by a serial number.

According to the NTSB's official data, N644AA never took off that morning.


Which I asked..

This has been covered in this thread with the individual claiming the flight recorder data was false never produced such evidence.

Please quote the NTSB's data if that is the case.

The jet that hit the pentagon was tracked from the originating airport to the pentagon.

So you have lots of claims that you cannot quote and cite?

And now have completely ignored.



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edit on 24-10-2019 by neutronflux because: Added link.

edit on 24-10-2019 by neutronflux because: Second try added link

edit on 24-10-2019 by neutronflux because: Added more.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray


Again..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

Again.

You


claiming they are lying,


Then quote from my posts which CITGO witnesses I said are lying

By omission, you acknowledge that you literally make crap up as it suits you. That your arguments are based on intellectual dishonesty.

So you posted a blatant falsehood?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: RubyGray



Boston Globe

By Robert Schlesinger and Wayne Washington, Globe Staff, 9/12/2001

archive.boston.com...

archive.boston.com...

Rodney Washington, a systems engineer for a Pentagon contractor, was stuck in stand-still traffic a few hundred yards from the Pentagon when the American Airlines jet roared overhead from the southwest.

''It was extremely loud, as you can imagine, a plane that size, it was deafening,'' Washington said.

The plane was flying low and rapidly descended, Washington said, knocking over light poles before hitting the ground on a helicopter pad just in front of the Pentagon and essentially bouncing into it.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

WHY WHY WHY do you repeat the same junk ad nauseam?
Even when it has been thoroughly answered and discredited?

This...

"The plane was flying low and rapidly descended, Washington said, knocking over light poles before hitting the ground on a helicopter pad just in front of the Pentagon and essentially bouncing into it."

... is not even a quote! I have pointed this out before.

It is the invention of the journalist. It is merely the journalist's PARAPHRASE of what Washington MAY have said, with the journalist adding his own preconceived flourishes. There are NO QUOTATION MARKS, therefore this is NOT A FIRST PERSON TESTIMONY.

This does NOT say Washington SAW LIGHTPOLES BEING KNOCKED OVER BY THE PLANE.

That is merely media spin that the journalist has incorporated into his story for effect.
If he had been writing about a sub judice court case in this sloppy fashion, he would have been charged with contempt of court for making prejudicial, unwarranted assumptions.

Go look at that map I told you to get.
Draw a straight line from the "Official Flightpath", through the HELIPAD , and then into the Pentagon on that directional damage trajectory.

How's your straight line looking?
Crooked as a dog's hind leg.
It cannot be done.

The plane did NOT "BOUNCE ON THE HELIPAD".
IT DID NOT HIT THE GROUND THEN "ESSENTIALLY BOUNCE I TO IT".

It could NOT FLY ACROSS THE BRIDGE, via the HELIPAD, then hit the PENTAGON.

If there is any truth to this testimony at all, it must be this :

Washington saw the plane flying ...

* ON THE NORTHSIDE FLIGHTPATH
* ACROSS THE HELIPAD AREA, FAR NORTH OF THE IMPACT HOLE,
* THEN PULL UP & FLY OVER THE PENTAGON.
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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: RubyGray

You



The plane was flying low and rapidly descended, Washington said, knocking over light poles before hitting the ground on a helicopter pad just in front of the Pentagon and essentially bouncing into it."


What do you not get about WASHINGTON SAID? It’s right there in your own quote.

Then specifically quote from the people you invoke they specifically said the jet did or did not fly north of the bridge in their own words with links.

Why do I repeat? You make false claims of people laying. Then when questioned about proving proof of your allegations, you don’t.

The below article goes through and explains its conclusions.

Please quote which conclusions you believe are false, with cited evidence what you think makes it’s false.



Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon
Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, ( B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011


www.journalof911studies.com...


Summary and Conclusion
In response to FOIA requests the NTSB provided a CSV file and a coded FDR file. All contradictions between the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and these files appear to be traceable to missing data. In the case of the CSV file the data stopped about four seconds short of the impact. In the case of the FDR file the final frame was not initially decoded. Some researchers recognized that data was missing, while others claimed that the files proved the official account was false, as it appeared the flight terminated at a point too high to have created the observed damage trail on the ground.
Previous analyses were further confounded by uncertainty of the position of the last data point; failure to consider possible calibration errors in the pressure altimeter data, caused by high speed and low altitude; and false information in the NTSB flight animation.
The recent complete decoding of the FDR file has enlarged and clarified the information available and has thereby enabled resolution of the contradictions. It is clear that this file supports the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and the consequent impact with the Pentagon. The file thus also supports the majority of eyewitness reports.



And you original statement was..


Genuine FDR data would be corroborated by Serial Number identification.

The FDR claimed to have been found (by SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, in SEVERAL PLACES, on SEVERAL DAYS), was never identified by any serial number.

Nor was any other piece of the plane debris found at the Pentagon identified to N644AA by a serial number.

According to the NTSB's official data, N644AA never took off that morning.


Which I asked..

This has been covered in this thread with the individual claiming the flight recorder data was false never produced such evidence.

Please quote the NTSB's data if that is the case.

The jet that hit the pentagon was tracked from the originating airport to the pentagon.

So you have lots of claims that you cannot quote and cite?

And now have completely ignored


originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray


Again..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

Again.

You


claiming they are lying,


Then quote from my posts which CITGO witnesses I said are lying

By omission, you acknowledge that you literally make crap up as it suits you. That your arguments are based on intellectual dishonesty.

So you posted a blatant falsehood?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: RubyGray

You said I claimed the CITGO witnesses were lying. Is that false?

Now quote from where I made such a post.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 02:45 PM
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And thats all i gotto say on that




posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: RubyGray



Steve Anderson

www.911myths.com...

I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11.
From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River...
Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.
It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
James Madison University Alumni, October 1 2001




Gary Bauer

www.911myths.com...

Bauer witnessed the attack on the Pentagon on Sept. 11.
“I happened to be driving into Washington, D.C. that morning. I was going to be doing a press conference on Capitol Hill about the issue of Sudan, where there is terrible Christian persecution taking place. In fact, there is a radical Islamic government in power. Millions of people have been killed. A number of groups in town felt that not enough was being done about that, so we were going to hold a press conference, put a little bit of pressure on the administration and on the Congress.
“I was in a massive traffic jam, hadn’t moved more than a hundred yards in twenty minutes. My office called to tell me about the first plane in New York, the reaction was ‘horrible accident.’ And then they called about the second plane, and clearly that meant something much worse was going on. It was only then that I really noticed where I was in that traffic jam. I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine.
“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment.
Massachusetts News, December 2001

WS: On the morning of Sept 11 you were in your car. Did you literally see the plane go into the Pentagon?
GB: Yeah. I was heading into Washington to take part in a press conference on the issue of Sudan, where there is a radical Muslim government, and I was sitting in a traffic jam just outside the Pentagon. The traffic jam hadn't gone 100 yards in 20 minutes when I got the first call about a plane crashing into the World Trade Center, which at the time people thought was an accident. Then -- not that long after, which made it clear it wasn't an accident -- another plane hit, and it was at that moment when I realized I was sitting at the closest point on the road that you could get to the Pentagon. I was less than 100 yards away at that particular exit and many of us in the traffic jam had our windows down. We were comparing notes -- what radio stations we were listening to -- when all of a sudden we heard a roar of a jet engine. I looked out of my front window and I saw movement over to the side. I turned and looked and the plane came from behind us and banked to the right and went into the Pentagon. That blast literally moved our cars, so it was a fairly dramatic moment.
I knew what had happened in New York and I had just seen what happened to the Pentagon. On the radio they were reporting there was flames and fire near the White House. There were a lot of false reports on DC radio stations that morning, so it was clear -- in a dramatic way -- that this was the most significant day that I had ever experienced.
The Charlotte World



Then what did Mary see hit the pentagon?


Owens, Mary Ann

ratical.org...

Mary Ann Owens, a journalist with Gannett News Service . . . was driving along by the side of the Pentagon, on September 11, 2001, when a hijacked jet screamed overhead and ploughed into it. . . .
THE sound of sudden and certain death roared in my ears as I sat lodged in gridlock on Washington Boulevard, next to the Pentagon on September 11. . . . this engine noise was different. It was too sudden, too loud, too encompassing.
Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.
The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard.
Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon.
Still gripping the wheel, I could feel both the car and my heart jolt at the moment of impact. An instant inferno blazed about 125 yards from me. The plane, the wall and the victims disappeared under coal-black smoke, three-storey tall flames and intense heat.
"The day thought I was going to die", by Mary Ann Owens, This is Local London, 9/11/02



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: RubyGray





D.S. Khavkin -- eighth floor of building in Arlington with panoramic view
First, the plane knocked down a number of street lamp poles, then headed directly for the Pentagon and crashed on the lawn near the west side the Pentagon.

911research.wtc7.net...







ratical.org...


Marra, David
David Marra, 23, an information-technology specialist, had turned . . . off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly, looking like it was going to slam right into the Pentagon: "It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.
"Special Report: The Day of the Attack," by Nancy Gibbs, Time, 9/12/01

Martinez, Oscar
"I saw a big jet flying close to the building coming at full speed. There was a big noise when it hit the building," said Oscar Martinez, who witnessed the attack.
"Apparent Terror Attacks Hit D.C.," Firehouse.Com, 9/11/01




posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

"Steve Anderson
"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11.
From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River...
Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building ...
"I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon ..."

Steve Anderson was in an office 2 MILES NORTH of the Pentagon.
If you watch the videos taken in Joel Sucherman's office in the same building that morning, you will see the terrible view they had of the Pentagon, almost indistinguishable in the far distance. A plane would hardly have been noticeable from that far away.
This testimony was written long after 9/11, and he was never interviewed about what he supposedly saw.

As he said, the sound of jet engines is very common in the area, but exactly when, do you suggest, AA77 flew near his building? According to your Official Flightpath, the plane was never anywhere near Rosslyn, but approached the Pentagon from the south-west.

The plane did NOT BANK LEFT, but RIGHT. Remember all those testimonies and photos of people demonstrating the RIGHT BANK? Those people who were just across the road at Arlington Cemetery were beneath the plane, and were in the perfect position to know that the plane BANKED RIGHT.

The plane DID NOT DRAG ITS WING ON THE GROUND.

Why do you keep cutting & pasting testimonies that only make you look silly, imagining that they prove your pet theories?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

"Mary Ann Owens, a journalist with Gannett News Service . . . was driving along by the side of the Pentagon, on September 11, 2001, when a hijacked jet screamed overhead and ploughed into it. . . .
"... it was so close I could only see the bottom ...
"... its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low.
"... Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass ...
"... Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon."

Mary Ann Owens was a rather bad writer. This almost hysterical account was written 12 months after 9/11.
It is true that she was right beside the Pentagon and that the plane flew directly over her car.
We know this because she took a photograph from her position, showing that she was beside that tree opposite the Helipad, about 100-odd feet further NORTH of the impact hole.
Therefore, Owens was a NORTHSIDE EYEWITNESS. The plane could NOT have flown across the bridge, as it flew across her car.

Again, consult maps and plot in the trajectory described, and the true location of witnesses, before posting testimony that only demolishes your pet "plane flew over the bridge" theory!

She only saw the underside of the plane. She estimated it was 50 feet above her, which was much too high to have hit lightpoles, and much higher than the "plane" that barely clears the lawn in the Gatecam videos.
But as she was about 600 FEET NORTH OF THE BRIDGE, she could not possibly have seen any streetlights toppling, no matter what caused that, and it had nothing to do with the plane she saw, which was on a trajectory which took it nowhere near those 5 downed poles.

Owens should have consulted a map, because how could the plane have " barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass"?
Exactly what is that, anyway? The I-395 was a about half a mile SOUTH of her. The plane did not cross the I-395. She could not have seen this behind her, if if had.
She did not see poles falling, and she does not claim to have seen this.
She was padding out her sensationalised story with perceived "facts".
This is NOT EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY.

She ducked down as the plane flew over. It would have taken about 1/3 of a second to reach the wall from her car.
So how did she manage to get up again in time to see the actual impact?
She could not have.

Again, the plane's left wing DID NOT SCRAPE THE HELIPAD AREA.
Was she cribbing notes from Steve Anderson?
That could not possibly have happened, if the plane flew in on a sharp angle from the southwest.
Apart from the fact that the plane BANKED RIGHT, NOT LEFT, the Helipad is NORTH OF THE IMPACT SITE.

Yes, she saw the explosion.

But the plane she saw, which flew over Route 27, 50 feet above the ground, directly from the west, across the Helipad, cannot possibly be what did the damage to the Pentagon, which was in a straight line with the bridge so far south of the building.




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