aborted ghosts

First off: I have no views on the morals of abortion, as I think has been mentioned before, when I am pregnant and facing that situation I will be qualified to have an opinion.

I think the most important issue that has not been raised here is wether these experiences are paranormal or not. No matter what your beliefs are, the decision to have an abortion is a great one that comes with a heavy emotional burden, whether concious or subconcious. Coupled with the hormonal effect of the pregnancy on the body, and 'maternal' instincts I think there is a strong case to say that these 'paranormal happenings' could be the result of stress and a variety of physical factors. It is a much more likely scenario. I personally do believe in paranormal goings on, but I have no view (or no evidence!) on the reasons why. Its important to consider all aspects of the situation andnot jump to conclusions.

Zef I have taken the time to read through the posts and you mention that you felt forced into the situations, and I gather you have some kind of faith. Also you have changed your beliefs on this situation. I would say that it might seem more likely that you suffered some kind of stress related incident.

This is just my opinion and I am certainly not trying to belittle your experience in anyway, and I am certainly not judging you, which unfortunatley some of the more closed minded posters to this thread have. All I ask is that you look at more rational explanations. That is after all the definiton of paranormal... when you have eliminated the normal...

Thanks for bringing this topic up, it was very brave.

Thank you Big Dan. I have of course considered the possibility that this is a post abortion stress related hallucination. But the fact is, I am not stressed about this. I am quite happy that God and my children forgive me and I have forgiven myself. As I said earlier, the visitations, though infrequent, feel like a gift. P.S. Nice snake.


This is the testimony of Georgette Forney, founder of Silent No More Awareness:

On October 4th, 1976, when I was sixteen-years-old, I had an abortion in Detroit, Michigan. Afterwards, I went to my sister’s house to recover because my parents didn’t know about my pregnancy. That night as I lay in bed, I cried until I fell asleep. As I dressed the next morning, I was struggling to make sense of the day before, and it hit me ‘I’ll pretend yesterday never happened.’ And that’s how I lived for nineteen years, in total denial.

Then, in 1994, I was with a small group of women, and we were sharing our struggles with one another. One young woman expressed how she had been struggling to bond with her newborn son. She said she had an abortion in college and felt it was why she couldn't bond with her baby. She said she was going through abortion recovery counseling. I told her I had an abortion when I was 16, and it was no big deal. I said she simply needed to get over it.

About six months later something strange happened, which forced me to recall that conversation. I was in my basement cleaning out boxes, and I found my yearbook from my junior year in high school. I picked it up and thought I'd take a quick stroll down memory lane.

But something strange happened. Instead of opening the book and seeing the kids’ faces, I felt my baby in my arms. I knew instantly it was my child that I had aborted. I knew she was a little girl. I could feel her little bum in my right hand and her back and neck in my left. And I knew that I had missed out on parenting a wonderful person, who would have brought a lot of joy into my life.

For the first time in nineteen years, as I felt my baby’s presence in my arms I realized the full impact of my abortion. And I began to weep. As I wept I remembered the conversation from six months earlier and I immediately called that woman. I was crying, and I said I needed help. She came over immediately and sat with me while I wept and began grieving for my aborted baby.

That day I started a journey that has changed my life. Like my friend, I too attended an abortion recovery program. As I went through the program I began to understand what forgiveness and repentance is all about. God forgave me, and I was able to forgive myself. I also understood that my child was in Heaven with God, and she forgave me too.



[edit on 31-1-2006 by zef]

I appreciate your point, but when something is felt subconciously it often manifests itself in ways we cant under stand. i am just putting forward one view point. I dont doubt you had a powerful experience.

Originally posted by zef
Fig, I would be interested to hear how you sensed your deceased unborn around you. Thank you for contributing!

Hi zef.

I just "felt" this presence around me all the time, & still do. I always think about how old the little person would be & think that they'd love their baby sister ( my daughter ).
I also went to two clairvoyants & both told me that someone was with me all the time, but they couldn't describe the person except to say it might be a small child. I know that's clutching at straws, but they both said to me that I know who it is. I do. Its my baby.

I've been thru counselling, many years later, to try to get over the grief & guilt I feel about it all, but I still have a sadness in my eyes that people often comment on. I know why, but don't elaborate. I really don't talk about the whole ordeal as much as this, as its very personal to me.

Figjam,

Ask God to show you what sex the baby is and name him/her. The answer may come in a dream or in some other way. If you have an intuitive feeling about what the sex is, know that 75% of pregnant women are correct in knowing the sex of their pre-born child. Create a memorial site for this child----a plant, special candle--whatever seems fitting for you. Sing the child some lullabies, tell her/him you are sorry. Ask God for forgiveness and ask God to watch over your child until you can be with them in spirit as well. These steps are a part of the Rachel's Vineyard Retreat for post-abortive women which helped me tremendously.

Zef

Originally posted by Yarcofin
Because children have been alive, fetuses havent.

While in the womb the child's heart beats. The child sucks
his thumb. The child opens and closes his eyes. He hiccups.
He sleeps and wakes. He plays with the cord. Sometimes
he even scratches the inside of the womb with his newly
grown fingernails. He hears what is going on outside the
womb .. muffled voices and other sounds ... and reacts to
familiar voices and music.

When an abortion is committed the developed child backs
away from the instruments of death. I suggest you view
the film 'The Silent Scream'. It even appears that the child
is attempting to scream during his painful death. When
surgeries are performed on preborn children they are given
pain killers because they CAN feel pain. (no such pain killers
are administered while the child is killed in abortion)

The child is alive.
The child can be a ghost.


[edit on 2/3/2006 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by zef
One day, I prayed and asked them to come back inside of me. ...
I have all the fetal movement sensations--the little kicks---

DON'T do this. Please.

There is something called false demonic pregnancy. It is when a
demonic spirit fakes being a preborn baby. It happens when the
host (you) invite the spirit inside and it makes the woman feel as
if she's pregnant. She isn't pregnant, but she has the signs of
being pregnant - swollen stomach, fetal movement, morning sickness,
etc. etc.

There are historical accounts of this. Women who were pregnant,
women who have had abortions, even a few nuns who wanted to
feel pregnancy but had chosen a chaste life - all invited the spirit
inside and later, after bonding with it, had major demonic problems.

I googled and couldn't find the information on it, but it is a very
real form of possession. STOP. No matter how good it feels and
no matter how 'sure' you are that it's your child ... STOP.

I'll see if I have any books here with the information.
I THINK it's called - hystero-demonopathy.
If I find it I'll post.

[edit on 2/3/2006 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by zef
Figjam,

Ask God to show you what sex the baby is and name him/her. The answer may come in a dream or in some other way. If you have an intuitive feeling about what the sex is, know that 75% of pregnant women are correct in knowing the sex of their pre-born child. Create a memorial site for this child----a plant, special candle--whatever seems fitting for you. Sing the child some lullabies, tell her/him you are sorry. Ask God for forgiveness and ask God to watch over your child until you can be with them in spirit as well. These steps are a part of the Rachel's Vineyard Retreat for post-abortive women which helped me tremendously.

Zef

Hi Zef.

I am pretty sure that the baby was a boy, but I can't ask "god" for forgiveness because I am not a believer. Instead I went to counselling to try to deal with the pain of the loss. I can live day to day nowadays, but always know & remember. One day we might meet again.

I understand that you don't have a particular belief in God----but it is still sometimes important to have some sort of ceremony for this little spirit and for yourself.

In Buddhism, there is a ceremony called Mizuko Kuyo---to provide relief and release to the spirit of the deceased unborn who may have become attached to the mother or to a sibling. This also can greatly benefit the mother. The ceremony includes the creation of a memorial site---usually a doll dressed in baby clothes and surrounded by baby toys.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by zef]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by zef
One day, I prayed and asked them to come back inside of me. ...
I have all the fetal movement sensations--the little kicks---

DON'T do this. Please.

There is something called false demonic pregnancy. It is when a
demonic spirit fakes being a preborn baby. It happens when the
host (you) invite the spirit inside and it makes the woman feel as
if she's pregnant. She isn't pregnant, but she has the signs of
being pregnant - swollen stomach, fetal movement, morning sickness,
etc. etc.

There are historical accounts of this. Women who were pregnant,
women who have had abortions, even a few nuns who wanted to
feel pregnancy but had chosen a chaste life - all invited the spirit
inside and later, after bonding with it, had major demonic problems.

I googled and couldn't find the information on it, but it is a very
real form of possession. STOP. No matter how good it feels and
no matter how 'sure' you are that it's your child ... STOP.

I'll see if I have any books here with the information.
I THINK it's called - hystero-demonopathy.
If I find it I'll post.

[edit on 2/3/2006 by FlyersFan]

So now the possibility that my womb is being haunted by a demonic spirit has been brought up. Interesting.

In the "Satanic Bible" by Anton LaVey, he discusses Human Sacrifice; it is not the blood letting that drives the ritual along and generates the energy, it's the death throes of the torment which "generates" the energy and attracts the demonic spirits.

When a child is dismembed in the womb, that creates alot of negative energy in the location which also attracts the demonic. Whether the child is being sacrificed to Baal, Molech, Lucifer or a lifestyle, the child is feeling the torment of being dismembered and killed which Satan and his legion are enjoying.

This, then, raises the question of whether the supposed hauntings that some post-abortive women as well as some abortion clinic workers have experienced, is, in fact, a demonic haunting.

I am going to try to do some EVP work around an abortion clinic that is near me. Obviously they wouldn't let me come inside and do it, and I will probably be suspect just for standing outside of it with a tape recorder in hand.

There's just one more thing that I wanted to bring up that for me personally is a sort of paranormal tie to my abortion history. Since I was a very little girl---around 3 or 4---I have been plagued by dreams of trying to rescue a small group of helpless baby animals who were in some kind of terrible danger---sometimes they were kittens, puppies, raccoons, fish, sea otters---whatever. In the dream, I always woke up before I was able to rescue any of them----always leaving me feeling pretty bad when I awakened. These dreams occurred on an average of about 3 or 4 times a year. I never understood why I had them, but they bothered me terribly when they happened. The last dream ended after the last abortion---have never had any since. The fact that they ended after that last abortion occurred to me during my post-abortion recovery. Perhaps they were prophetic dreams to warn me---though I never associated them at the time I was exercising my "reproductive rights."

I have had many other dreams that came true---but they are always about trivial stuff. If I dream death, someone dies---but never the person that I dreamed died. My grandfather was a big time psychic dreamer----a true psychic legend in our family.