Phoenix Lights:1 big craft or multiple objects

I agree, people need to do their own research before coming to conclusions.

I d believe it was simply flares, deployed with flares were parachutes which explains why they linger. They were fired behind the mountain range, which is where the testing ground is located. Also the video expert did the test which seemed to be conclusive.

It's easy to try and point the finger at the government, so that there's a 'conspiracy'. Despite what you think they're not out to get us

?? one big craft??? or multiple objects ???
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you might seek some help from KFYI radio

they followed reports of the sighting from 8AM in Nevada

all through central AZ from 12-4 PM

to the over-the-city reports, from 40th St & Camelback Mountain,
till the craft wasn't reported any longer around 6PM at Encanto Park area


until the nighttime sighting, as the lights started blinking on,
somewhere above the city, near the SouthMountain range

the local TV, (the one where Jodi Applegate used to work at)
even had reports of the craft above AZ, NV seen in daylight by many.

there's 2 leads for one who wants to investigate and can rely on public commentary/ reports to local news media by citizens

[edit on 18-1-2006 by St Udio]

Originally posted by Flyboy211
I d believe it was simply flares, deployed with flares were parachutes which explains why they linger. They were fired behind the mountain range, which is where the testing ground is located. Also the video expert did the test which seemed to be conclusive.

It's easy to try and point the finger at the government, so that there's a 'conspiracy'. Despite what you think they're not out to get us

Why does no one ever listen?

Everyone keeps banning on about the 10 o clock 'flare' event. What about the mile long silent flying 'V' which was also video tapped??

The person who has the best video footage of the daylight sightings has of course cashed in on this, by offering the video for money...

but, if in the interests of information gathering and presenting evidence, it is hopeful that the mods will please forgive this totally unconnected link, to a website selling something, so that you can see at least some pics (which are free) of the daylight sightings...

pics of the daylight phoenix lights

Just for the record, I have yet to come to a conclusion on this, as I haven't yet done all of the necessary research (to me), to make an informed opinion yet.

The specialist mentioned I believe was Bruce Macabee, and I've seen the flare theory of the vids, and it is compelling, and this was of a boomerang shaped light array.... Also, the lights were not perfect in alignment.

But, I won't just spew on about it.... It will take some time for me to finalize my work on this one.... I'm not going into it with one preconceived notion or the other, I'll wait and see what the evidence suggests.....

Originally posted by Dr X
there is a video where you can see the big ship almost side on you can only see the lights on the bottom and not the outline. About 5 lights I think. I'll see if I can find it...

here it is i suppose..

www.cnufos.com...


its on the 5th page the third one from the top i think and theres more phoenix lights one too

I think people are a little confused still.


There were two seperate events (Some people say 3), the most documented being the 'flare' smoke screen incident at 10 o clock.

The first incident was a huge craft (some witnesses say up to a mile long) which flew over Arizona and through the Phoenix area. It was seen by many people and video taped at least once.

This was in no way flares.


The second incident was when a series of lights appeared above or behind a mountain range. They were stationary and had unusual light characteristics.

I don't think this was a normal military flare excersise. If these supposed 'flares' are being droped all the time, then why has this been the only incident? And why did it get the attention of so many people?


Its a possibility that it was in fact a smoke screen for the earlier UFO event that day. And, it seems to have worked.


Confusing the two incidents with each other......


The quetion is, what was the huge 'V' shaped object?



A black project that was randomly being tested over a heavily populated city?



Or.....




An alien spacecraft?

Originally posted by nullster
If I'm correct the National Geographic Channel and the Discover Channel debunked this one to pieces with various demonstrations. The lights are Air Force flares. The rest is mythos.

Sorry that is just plain wrong. I live in Mesa Arizona and have seen the Phoenix lights. I have a long history of UFO sightings going back 42 years. I am also VERY FAMILIAR with aerial flares as used by the military.

Let me share with you the properties of military flares that make it totally impossible for the Phoenix lights to have been flares.

Military flares give off copious amounts of smoke individually that is easily noticeable because of the equally copious amount of light given off by said flare. It is even more noticeable when flares are used in aggregate. If you have seven flares, then you have seven identical pillars of thick white smoke radiating upwards from them. Last year I watched somebody trying to hoax a Phoenix lights sighting in the San Tan Mountains. I was driving down the freeway and saw a formation of five lights and could not believe my eyes. I quickly pulled off the road and turned on my emergency flashers. Then I dug out my 10x50 binoculars and scoped them out. Guess what? There were five columns of thick smoke rising up into the sky.

I also want to add that there is no gunnery range near Phoenix and flares are never dropped over civilian centers.

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hi those video clips are different from the one I have. can i upload it somewhere? Or mail it to someone? It is 1.5 Mb in size.

groingrinder - If the objective presentation of two major cable channels making sound presentations "Just plain wrong" then the burden of proof lay on your shoulders to prove otherwise. from what you have written in your response you see allot of UFO's and have seen them since 1942. You even live in Arizona. You have seen them and You can solve this.

I very much look forward to your convincing video footage that will counter the conclusions made on those two shows. This is what ATS needs, People who can "Walk the Walk" not just "Talk and Talk". I look forward to your video and clear demonstration that debunks the demonstrations on those shows.


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Why do I even bother?

nullster

Do you agree that there were two separate events? One of the events was obviously flares. One of the events was obviously not flares. Can we agree on that before I take you to the woodshed?

Peace

Originally posted by Dr X
hi those video clips are different from the one I have. can i upload it somewhere? Or mail it to someone? It is 1.5 Mb in size.

www.sendfile.com www.putfile.com

hi those video clips are different from the one I have. can i upload it somewhere? Or mail it to someone? It is 1.5 Mb in size.

Can you e-mail it to me at [email protected]?

Along with some background info on it???

[edit on 20-1-2006 by Gazrok]

Originally posted by Spreadthetruth

Originally posted by Flyboy211
I d believe it was simply flares, deployed with flares were parachutes which explains why they linger. They were fired behind the mountain range, which is where the testing ground is located. Also the video expert did the test which seemed to be conclusive.

It's easy to try and point the finger at the government, so that there's a 'conspiracy'. Despite what you think they're not out to get us

Why does no one ever listen?

Everyone keeps banning on about the 10 o clock 'flare' event. What about the mile long silent flying 'V' which was also video tapped??

Steady on.

I was merely replying to posts that had been made.

As for the video of the 'flying V', where is it? News to me.

Originally posted by nullster
groingrinder - If the objective presentation of two major cable channels making sound presentations "Just plain wrong" then the burden of proof lay on your shoulders to prove otherwise. from what you have written in your response you see allot of UFO's and have seen them since 1942. You even live in Arizona. You have seen them and You can solve this.

I very much look forward to your convincing video footage that will counter the conclusions made on those two shows. This is what ATS needs, People who can "Walk the Walk" not just "Talk and Talk". I look forward to your video and clear demonstration that debunks the demonstrations on those shows.

[edit on 20-1-2006 by nullster]

Sorry nullster, I do not have a video camera and my crappy HP Photosmart 315 will not take acceptable pictures at night. My UFO sightings go back to about 1964 when the night sky above several western states became as daylight by something exploding in the sky. I may have the year wrong, but not by much.

Do yourself a favor and look at the proximity of the Goldwater Gunnery Range to Phoenix and ask yourself if flares dropped at low level could be seen from the distance to Phoenix. Remember that flares are used to illuminate the ground for photos or the needs of troops on the ground. They are not dropped from high altitude and the mountains between Phoenix and the gunnery range would not permit people in Phoenix to see flares dropped on the gunnery range. Also parachute flares fall like a parachute, they do not HOVER in the sky.

I want to add that using flares on military gunnery ranges is a fairly common occurence and that if the Phoenix lights were flares from the gunnery range, then there would be a whole lot more Phoenix lights sightings.

[edit on 1-20-2006 by groingrinder]

Originally posted by groingrinder
Sorry nullster, I do not have a video camera and my crappy HP Photosmart 315 will not take acceptable pictures at night. My UFO sightings go back to about 1964 when the night sky above several western states became as daylight by something exploding in the sky. I may have the year wrong, but not by much.

Do yourself a favor and look at the proximity of the Goldwater Gunnery Range to Phoenix and ask yourself if flares dropped at low level could be seen from the distance to Phoenix. Remember that flares are used to illuminate the ground for photos or the needs of troops on the ground. They are not dropped from high altitude and the mountains between Phoenix and the gunnery range would not permit people in Phoenix to see flares dropped on the gunnery range. Also parachute flares fall like a parachute, they do not HOVER in the sky.

I want to add that using flares on military gunnery ranges is a fairly common occurence and that if the Phoenix lights were flares from the gunnery range, then there would be a whole lot more Phoenix lights sightings.

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I know this is clutching at straws, but is it possible that the Military are testing some new UAVs that can light up battlefields? I think we need to be careful before jumping to the ET solution. No matter how tempting.

Hi All,

OK I put the file on putfile

media.putfile.com...

I originally downloaded this clip form a UFO webpage, but I 'm afraid I can;t remember which one.

Doesn't look like flares to me.

The thing is, how difficult would it be to make such a massive craft if its that big. Think how much it would weigh!
It would take so much energy to hold up. and it was silent. That is seriously advanced technology. Particularly if you go on scale, small UAV which can hover, to MILE LONG V-shape.

In the UK recently i watched a documentary on the phoenix lighs incident, the first incident was reports or a large V shapes craft and the documentary only managed to get ahold of one peice of footage of this craft.

the documentary then went on to show how the second sighting could be flares disappearing behind the mountain, it was a few weeks back and i think it was on the history channel or something.