NWO in Schools - Saying what we can eat!

Originally posted by Crakeur
allow me to give you another reason why the schools should provide meals with nutritional value and not junk.


lawsuits.

can you not see, in the lawsuit happy USA, the number of lawsuits claiming that the public school system made some fat family's kid fat?

this isn't like thhhhhhhat mickey d's suit where the fatty had the option to eat elsewhere. in this case, the school is providing the food. if it is not healthy, and a kid gets fat or, worse, winds up with an ailment that could have been avoided with a proper diet (diabetes?), the school systems will go broke fighting and settling lawsuits.

I see your point Crakeur, but part of living in a free country is being able to do exactly what you want, and that includes getting fat, thats freedom. It is not right at all for children not to be allowed to eat junk food, even in small proportions, and thats what my school is proposing, not even a limit of, say a chocolate bar a day, its just banned, and that is not right at all i feel, i dont need some teacher or education authority telling me what i can eat, i am an individual and i do what i like.

The problem we have in this topic is that people are talking about things in America and Britain.

We don't have the same things as you over here such as the PTO. Also school dinners are a lot different. I went to a private school in America for a Year and they had sort of junk food and healthy food like sandwhiches with salad and that sort of stuff.

At my school here in the UK we have some weird stuff....not as in foregin, but the chicken "curry" (I think that's what it's meant to be" has way too much fat and powder stuff on it. They also have this kinda salad which you can take but it's a bit crap.

Which is why I only eat healthy food cooked by my mum at home. (Still in school).

conspirator, it is your right to get fat and out of shape and it is your right to smoke cigarettes etc.

however, the PUBLIC school systems cannot aid and abet lest they be held liable for the outcome of their actions.

Well...........I am jumping on this thread, to link to a thread that is showing yet MORE proof of the NWO workings in our school system.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is beyond creepy that they are so deeply enmeshed behind the educational system within the USA......

so let me get this straight.

by serving healthy food, the school is showing that the New World Order has taken over our schools? Help Help, they're service healthy food instead of fried fat. Before you know it, they'll be suggesting exercise. Crazy diabolical world dominating nutcases.

the menu at schools has nothing to do with the NWO, nor does that exam. Is it biased? don't know. I do know that the exam is not a NWO thing. Why? A few reasons. First, there is no NWO. A 400 year old plan is not in place to rule the globe. Second, if a third of the kids failed the exam, it means the schools stink (nyc has awful public schools, not news). That article shows 2 examples. How many questions are there on the exam? What percentage seem biased? Based on who's opinion.

Originally posted by Crakeur
so let me get this straight.

by serving healthy food, the school is showing that the New World Order has taken over our schools? Help Help, they're service healthy food instead of fried fat. Before you know it, they'll be suggesting exercise. Crazy diabolical world dominating nutcases.

You're not getting it. YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR OWN HEALTHY FOOD. YOU CAN ONLY EAT THEIR "HEALTHY" FOOD! At least, in some schools...but eventually, all school will do this. Be forewarned.

If it does something about the wheezing, fat little kids that waddle around outside schools cramming their faces then I'm all for it.
We have a big problem with parents feeding their kids manure, if people can't be trusted to take on the responsibility themselves, all the time whining they have a 'right' to feed their kids what they want, then someone needs to smack them on the hand, revoke their privileges and do it for them.
People keep whining they should be able to do what they want, then promptly prove that they shouldn't.
Let's face it, the tiny minority of people that actually feed their kids 'food' are not considered in this initiative, the huge majority that feed their kids McDonald's filth, ready meals, frozen muck and regurgitated potato products are the ones being tackled here.

'Oh, Why's little Johnny running around acting like a lunatic screaming like a chimp?'

Oh I dunno, nothing to do with all the Caffeine in the Cola, sweetners, sugar, E numbers, etc.. It's all the nasty government's fault..

[edit on 13-1-2006 by AgentSmith]

I'm sorry, the school has no right to tell you what you can eat. They can and should serve only healthy food as well as educate what healthy food is, but if someone wants to bring their own junk food, that is their absolute right. The only acceptable method is education of the children and the parents, not the school forcing obedience.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
If it does something about the wheezing, fat little kids that waddle around outside schools cramming their faces then I'm all for it.
We have a big problem with parents feeding their kids manure, if people can't be trusted to take on the responsibility themselves, all the time whining they have a 'right' to feed their kids what they want, then someone needs to smack them on the hand, revoke their privileges and do it for them.
People keep whining they should be able to do what they want, then promptly prove that they shouldn't.

Let's face it, the tiny minority of people that actually feed their kids 'food' are not considered in this initiative, the huge majority that feed their kids McDonald's filth, ready meals, frozen muck and regurgitated potato products are the ones being tackled here.

'Oh, Why's little Johnny running around acting like a lunatic screaming like a chimp?'

Oh I dunno, nothing to do with all the Caffeine in the Cola, sweetners, sugar, E numbers, etc.. It's all the nasty government's fault..

[edit on 13-1-2006 by AgentSmith]

I agree they should be taught, but not forced. There is a huge difference. The reason we have Sex Education in public schools, is because alot of parents can't do it themselves (sad, I know). BUT, they don't force kids to have sex with each other, they only teach them what it is, and why people do it. It should be the same way with food. I think there is already a Health class students take. That would be a perfect class to have 4-5 weeks spent on teaching kids how to read labels, revealing the truth about fast food, etc.

But I have a problem with a school forcing a child food. If they don't force them to have sex to learn, they shouldn't force them food to learn.

The End.

Yes, but when people are told what's best and still continue to do as they please anyway, someone has to take responsibility and do it for them. If people don't like it they should sort their act out. They'll be the first people to blame schools/the government when little Johnny has a heart attack at 25 or something.
I don't know about in the states but there is an attempt here to try and educate peopel better, but still you see people crowding into McDonalds, still you see kids walking down the road with cans of coke and crisps, they are still obese and this behaviour is continuing into adulthood.

some people will post anything to get ats points.

Originally posted by elitegamer23
some people will post anything to get ats points.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate, or perhaps anyone really will just post anything to get ATS points

Originally posted by AgentSmith

Originally posted by elitegamer23
some people will post anything to get ats points.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate, or perhaps anyone really will just post anything to get ATS points

I agree with you on that mark AgentSmith...

However...On your last post, you stated how someone shouold take responsibilty and 'help' people make the right choices. But, then you aren't living in a free country, but a country run by a chosen set of choices you may choose from. I think it's rediculous. Here in the 'states' we have the 'hamburger law' (or something like that), so that you cannot sue a company for making you 'fat' or 'unhealthy'. If people choose to eat unhealthily, and cannot sue a company, then it IS their choice, and should not be stepped upon by schools.

I understand that you want people to eat healthier, I do too. But if you take away their freedom to not eat healthy, then you're playing with free will. I'm not sure if you're a Chrsitian or not (I am not), but I do believe in many of the Bible's valuable information and philosophy. The Bible's Godhead figure gave people free will. He didn't make people not sin, he gave them access to any choice they wanted (sin, not sin, or any other choice in between). People will pick their own route. We shouldn't hinder them in their quest, be it enlightenment, or getting disgustingly fat and unhealthy. It's their choice.

If you want to help people, teach them, don't set rules. Make them see the light in making right choices. But you have to make mistakes while you're younger in order to learn, else you make the mistakes when you are older and more accountable for your mistakes!

I turst you will see my argument, and at least understand my point of view. I not saying that everyone should do as they please, or that we should declare set rules....but we, the enlightened ones, should help others 'see the light' and hope they follow the narrow road to it. Force should never be an option.

- ADM

If I want to be fat I will be fat nuff said. unfortunately the same doesn't hold true for losing weight

Here in Finland the school food is free. All pupils fron the 1st grade to highschool eat free. And the food is good, often times prepared at the schools.

When I was in school, I didn't see what a great thing it was to eat free.

Anyways, back to the original question. I think it is a bit sick for the school to monitor if and when students bring food to school. I think it is ones own choice what you put down your throat. Usually schools (students) here sell soda and candies to students. The money is then used among pupils.

So what is healthy food?

So far I remember eggs, meat, sea food, butter, milk, vegtable oil, and a whole bunch of other foods being banished from households after being labled 'bad for you'.

Who is going to decide what is or isn't the 'bad food' of the moment?

Isn't there some Biblical prophecy of meat eating being banned during 'end times'?

What about, 'one mans meat is another mans poison'? There have been schools in Australia that have banned children bringing peanut butter and peanuts, because of potentially deadly allergies, this makes sence but what of diabetic children, will they have to leave their life saving jelly beans with the nurse incase they dare to slip one or two to a friend?

Diet is a VERY individual thing. Different bodies have different needs yet still "experts" like to come out and tell everyone else what is good or bad for them. No sorry, they come out and SELL their "expert opinion" because people are paranoid and self obsessed enough to BUY.

So why aren't Government bodies clamping down on the "Diet Industry" or source of production food contaminants if the health of our children is so important as to ban kids taking a home made cookie to school?

That is where we come back to the NWO. Already there have been 'free' government tests of water and home grown food to see if it is 'safe' and guess what, the tests come back as unfit for human or animal consumption.
This was funny in our case as we raised a very healthy family, prize winning vegtables, and champion livestock for generations on this water that others bottle and sell as the healthy mineral water that it is.

It's a pity farmers are so busy making ends meet, as they know alot about NWO conspiracies due to generations of being costed and "regulated" out of sound healthy farming

warpboost - I don't exactly see what this has to do with the NWO though.

It is as clear as day to me. It is just another avenue to condition the children to do as your told by authorities or else. Condition children like this over a few generations, and you'll have a submissive population that will do as asked with very few questions if any. Since they are dumbing down the education since at least the 50's if not earlier, then you also a population that doesn't know to ask questions, or how to ask the correct question.

To think George Orwell wrote about a very similar situation in his book 1984. By the way if you ever read the book, isn't it interesting that we seem to be constantly at war with someone? Especially for those who live in the US, the US always seem to have wars, threats, or something going on to keep us at a constant alert. Now with the war on terror the alert is not conviently constant.

Did you know that one of the things Hitler did as early as he could was to take over the schools and have the kids taught what he wanted them to know to become loyal to him. Conditioning can happen in one generation, but for some reason the NWO is doing it slowly and adding only a little bit here and there to the stew. It is more like cooking a live frog in a pot. You start slow with a cool temperature and very slowly increase the temp. The frog is unaware of what is happening, and becomes accustom to the new temperature. By the time the frog is aware of what is going on, it is too late for the frog.

AgentSmith - someone has to take responsibility and do it for them

That is how dictatorships are started. I have never known any dictatorship that has not asserted tyriany over it's people. Also what you are suggesting is very close if not perfect with communism. Decide for the people, and give them only a couple of choices if that. It is also NWO thinking, that the petty masses are igornant like a herd of cattle. Therefore we have to decide what is best for them, and force them to do it whether it is actually in that individual's best interest or not. Society as a whole is more important than the individual. Therefore the individual will have no rights. Why let them have any rights, since we are making their decisions for them anyhow. They have no will but ours, or else.

History has proven time and time again that the people who claim to know what is best really doesn't. All societal experiments have failed whether in weeks, months, or years. The only way to do what you suggest is to take away all will, all rights, all freedoms from the people. Then put them in such a state of terror and depression that they will not question or even think about fighting back. In other words Orwell's "house of love" in 1984 along with all the fake wars.

You may not be on the side of dictators, but some of your thinking is.

I stop eating lunch at school when I went into High school. During the lunch time I use it to get homework done from the eraly classes so I that I whould not have to do it later..

I'll make this nice and simple.

In the United Kingdom, the generation below me are likely to die 10 to 20 years earlier due to the diet they are on and what their parents have been feeding them. It is O.K. for an adult to do with his body, what he desires but not with a childs.

Sorry, if you do not see the difference between the two but I myself think this is about time. If the Government do not get involved poor parents - which seem to make up a majority these days - will be killing off their own children without even realising it.

odium there is a major problem here. What really constitutes a poor parent? According to you and another on this forum a majority of parents are poor parents. When I would say that this is false statement.

Do you have any facts or statistics to back up your statement? I would like to see stats compairing children in households that have thin and overweight children. How many children are overweight due to geneitics. The average diet of say 50 years ago compaired to today. And how the food has changed such as how much perseratives and other junk get put in junk food as well as so called healthy food. What have they fead the animals 50 years ago to what they feed them today.

The problem is that there are alot of factors than just parents feed junk food to their kids all day long. The parents that take their kids out to McDonalds, how are you absoutly sure that they eat there every day or even once a week? You mean there are not parents that allow their children eat there like once a month as a treat, or even once every three months? I'm sure there are enough children in any one given area to make it look like parents are constantly taking their kids to McDonalds. Have you constantly gone to McDonalds to monitor how many repeat children actually go there, and how many times a month? I worked at McDonalds over a year, and I barely saw the same child twice. There were always new faces. Actually the regulars to McDonalds were the senior citizens, and you could know before hand what they wanted and ring it up without having to ask them.

I'm sorry, but there are way too many factors than just to say a poor diet. When you were a kid, how many hours of homework did you receive each night on average? Remember some kids would get their homework done faster than others. What could take 1 hour for one child could take 2 for another, and 4 for another. Since most parents make their child do their homework before supper, that cuts into time they could be outside and and getting execrise in one way or another. So the child comes home, has to sit down and do homework, eat, and now it is too late to go outside and do anything. Therefore they sit around the house and do something to occupy their time. Unless they have execrise machine or equipment inside they could use. Would you propose the government mandiate parents have a treadmill in the house and make their kids use it one hour a day?

Which would be better forcing execrise, or having teachers cut back on busy work, because they are too lazy to actually teach and let the busy work teach the child for them?

Either way forcing someone to do something without giving them a choice is being a dictator. Just giving the person a couple of options such as breen beans or peas, or tread mill or execrise bike is communisum. In America we have a demoracy (actually a republic but I'm not going to address that here) where we have the freedom of choice to live how we want to live and that includes the children. It is the parents job to raise and train that child the way they see fit, not the governments.

The government in the US was created to be a limited government controlled by the people, and not controlling the people.

Take this idea one step further. If the government sees fit to regulate how the children eat at the schools, then how long before that regulation is brought to the home in one form or another? Next child services will be taking all children considered obese away from the parents and placing them in fostor homes no matter if it is due to food consumption or genetics. Talk about government terrorism.

Then what is to stop the government from going a step further saying if the parents can't even make decent decisions for their children, then we will start to have to make decesions for them. We will have to set up a mandate of what adults can eat, where, and how they eat. Now instead of going to the grocery store and being able to buy food based on the money you have, you now have stamps that you have to present that allows you to buy the food you wish to purchase. How about an government enforced execrise regimine if the doctor says your overweight no matter if it is due to genetics, food consumption, or other health reasons. What is next after food and execrise?

Think people, our freedoms are already being eroded. Why let the government erode away even more freedoms whether it is the freedom of the child, teen, or adult?

This discussion goes beyond whether or not someone is doing what is best for themselves, but wheter or not that person has the right to do it. And whether or not the government has the right to force you to do what you may or may not want to do. If you believe the government does, then I would suggest thinking about living in Germany during Hitler's reign, communist Russia, or even China. I just read an article where Google is going to block sites the China government does not approve of on their China searches. Do you really want to live in a highly repressive government where you don't really have any choice at all except what the government gives you?