NEWS: Iran to Eject UN Inspectors?

Any referral to the UN Security Council will result in Iran ejecting inspectors from their nuclear sites. The program, which came to light in 2003, has been running for eighteen years (The Manhattan Project for comparison, ran for four years). The ongoing crisis appears to be escalating after the the Iranians recently broke the seals on their nuclear sites and rejected a Russian Offer to carry out the Uranium enrichment process on their behalf.



Why would the Iranian Regime risk sanctions, and probably worse, over the Nantanz facility? The consensus appears to be that they are 'years' away from a nuclear weapon, but if this is the case, why do they feel the need to escalate things so quickly? From an outsider's perspective, it almost looks like they're in a rush to get something completed.....

[edit on 13-1-2006 by TaupeDragon]

good for Iran they have done enough and so far has just been kicked in the face.

they did things that arent required by UN laws
by stoping the production of the fuel for their reactors only to make the speculations coming out bigger from the white house and EU

there is No law that states Member states cannot access nuclear power produce their own fuel so if anyone brings up that up
please show me where it states that.

or if someone says they have broken UN regulations please state which ones.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by bodrul]

I think the BIG problem with their program is that it was conducted in secrecy for 18 years. Even if it *was* a peaceful program, it hardly makes suspicious Westerners any less suspicious.

As has been remarked before on multiple threads here, this plus a hardline Iranian leader who has made comments stating that Israel should be 'relocated' doesn't make Iran's nuclear program anything other than worrying to a lot of people.

TD

Unlike Israel's nuclear capacities which don't worry anyone.

...IMO - this is not news. If Iran is referred to the Security Council, of course they'll boot out the inspectors. Like, what else would they do? What would the US do in the same circumstances?

I'm not saying that Israel's nuclear option is anything other than worrying, but you can see reasons for needing them - 1948, 1967 and 1973 to name but three. It would appear to be a defensive option for a country more or less surrounded by hostile neighbours.

I have less problems with a democracy possessing nuclear weapons than a theocracy, especially one with a bellicose president.

TD

Sofi, what part of Israel Doesn't Threaten Anyone do you not quite grasp?

Is it beyond your ability to grasp the clear and contrasting differences between Israel and Iran? Mayube your news source doesn't cover the recent times Iran has made it clear that Israel has no right to do anything but die.

Oh, I forgot, and mention of the Middle East is nothing more than a chance to forget all about the history of one-sided aggression in that region and to kick the Jews. Seriously, how pathetic.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by Thomas Crowne]

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Sofi, what part of Israel Doesn't Threaten Anyone do you not quite grasp?

Is it beyond your ability to grasp the clear and contrasting differences between Israel and Iran? Mayube your news source doesn't cover the recent times Iran has made it clear that Israel has no right to do anything but die.

Oh, I forgot, and mention of the Middle East is nothing more than a chance to forget all about the history of one-sided aggression in that region and to kick the Jews. Seriously, how pathetic.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by Thomas Crowne]

Well said! We dont see isreal saying this like: "So-and-so Country need to be wiped of the face of the earth" like we see Iran saying.

I think its time to kick some more Arabs ass... Again. Maybe if we keep taking over their countries they will learn to not be so confrontational and learn to run countries under UN rules, once and for all.

If they dont learn.... They will die. They will die under their own choice too. The free world will be forced to take over Iran and throw out the gouvernment, same as we did in Iraq.

The ball is in their court. Anything that the UN/USA does from here on out is a reaction to and action the Iran made or is going to make. Their fate is in their own hands.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Sofi, what part of Israel Doesn't Threaten Anyone do you not quite grasp?

Is it beyond your ability to grasp the clear and contrasting differences between Israel and Iran?

I happen to believe that NOBODY should be playing with nuclear stuff. I also happen to believe that given it's out there, then spreading it around a bit more just might keep the bullying super powers from beating the little guys into total submission.

Do I think it's a good thing all those out-of-work Russian scientists took their kits off to the third world? No. But it happened and now we need to deal with the fallout.

Do I think stomping all over a nation is likely to result in cooperative compliance? No more than the same tactics encourage cooperative understanding between individuals.

FYI - I am saying that aggressive bullying just makes the problem worse, and convinces nations and people that they MUST stand up for their rights - or end up better than dead. Not the objective I don't think.

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Originally posted by HumptyDumpty

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Sofi, what part of Israel Doesn't Threaten Anyone do you not quite grasp?

Is it beyond your ability to grasp the clear and contrasting differences between Israel and Iran? Mayube your news source doesn't cover the recent times Iran has made it clear that Israel has no right to do anything but die.

Oh, I forgot, and mention of the Middle East is nothing more than a chance to forget all about the history of one-sided aggression in that region and to kick the Jews. Seriously, how pathetic.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by Thomas Crowne]

I think its time to kick some more Arabs ass... Again. Maybe if we keep taking over their countries they will learn to not be so confrontational and learn to run countries under UN rules, once and for all.

Then by your logic we (the US) should learn to live by UN rules. We did ignore the rule about having to go to them to declare war and all. but I guess "FREEING" a country is worth the blatant abuse of power. Even though we haven't freed anyone yet...

Well, you might want to think that deeply into the lovely thought, but you have the ability to speak your mind because we DID have nuclear weapons throughout the last six decades, Sofi.

I also realize it is no skin off of your nose if Israel is destroyed by her enemy neighbors who want nothing more than her total destruction (and have as much as said this on many occasions), but the possession of special weapons, or the assumption that she has these weapons, give cause for those who are Hell-bent to destroy her to stop and think of the possible consequences of an attack.

It is easy for you, an American who left to Canada, to blindly desire that all nuclear weapons be gone, as it isn't you who will be swarmed by an enemy who outnumbers you by 500 to one. This, I believe, invalidates such thoughts. That, and the inability to take notice that, in her almost 60 years of being, Israel has never been the aggressor but the defender, and, regardless of anti-Semitic and baseless conspiracy theories, Zionism is only the dream of a home for the Jews and NOT the takeover of the world.

The difference between Israel and Iran is immeasurable, and to even bring up Israel causes the rational and critical mind to pause and question the reason.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
give cause for those who are Hell-bent to destroy her to stop and think of the possible consequences of an attack.

This argument works all ways TC.

It is easy for you, an American who left to Canada,

What does my nationality or country of residence have to do with my ability to consider or comment on ANYTHING?

I really want to know.

to blindly desire that all nuclear weapons be gone, as it isn't you who will be swarmed by an enemy who outnumbers you by 500 to one.

Which is different from being blown to kingdom come by superior technology exactly how?

in her almost 60 years of being, Israel has never been the aggressor but the defender, and, regardless of anti-Semitic and baseless conspiracy theories, Zionism is only the dream of a home for the Jews and NOT the takeover of the world.

Individuals and individual nations have aggressed under the Israeli banner.

FYI - I support Israel's existence but consider the problems in the region to be quite complex - well beyond the ability of a few well-placed genocides to resolve.

The difference between Israel and Iran is immeasurable, and to even bring up Israel causes the rational and critical mind to pause and question the reason.

The difference between many cultures is immeasurable - and I don't think homogenization by nuclear or any other technique will make the world a better place.

Don't remember who brought Israel into the discussion - but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt whoever they are.


ed. Oh duh. It was me...

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[edit on 13-1-2006 by soficrow]

Originally posted by TaupeDragon
I think the BIG problem with their program is that it was conducted in secrecy for 18 years. Even if it *was* a peaceful program, it hardly makes suspicious Westerners any less suspicious.

As has been remarked before on multiple threads here, this plus a hardline Iranian leader who has made comments stating that Israel should be 'relocated' doesn't make Iran's nuclear program anything other than worrying to a lot of people.

TD

Whether it is done in secret, does this make any difference? The US government kept secret its program to build long range bombers capable of carrying nuclear payloads, as well as various spyplanes, nuclear strike missiles, and airforce bases. Not familiar with Area-51? Search ATS.

How in the hell did Israel get the bomb? They did not go through the process of assembling a program on their own. They lack the discipline to know what they are doing. Iran cannot be any worse. But the balance of power is an issue Israel would rather not see occur.

This is all about Israel (we were handed our nuclear capablitites on a silver plater) staying the onlyy nuclear power in the Middle-east. This has nothing to do with Iran the rogue state. Or the terrorist. Israel and its nuclear capablities is like a spoiled brat with a nuclear bomb.

Sofi, speaking of the factual background of that region, and the stated desire of the Arab leaders of that region, is not an "argument". Your attempt to sidestep is duly noted.

Your nationality has a lot to do with it, and I made it clear. I'll do it again. It is easy for you to live under a nuclear umbrella all your life, totally unappreciative of it, and try and deny a totally innocent and grossly outnumbered country the same luxury. You knew before, as I told you, and now you know again.

Sofi, are you not reading, or do you siomply prefer to deny anything that is not within agenda parameters? Israel has NEVER threatened her neighbors, has nevfer demanded that ANY of those who wish her to be destroyed to be destroyed themselves, and has always shown nothing but unbelievable restraint. This is totally unlike the rest of the region. The rhetoric coming form Iran is a clear and perfect example, and even you should be able to see the difference, even if your personal beliefs are anti-Semitic. There are many others on this board who are anti-Semitic and know how ignorant it appears to argue against the still-known facts. This is evident by the number of threads that are ignored when there is no wriggle room for the anti-Semites to slip the propaganda into the thread.

It appears you are not alone, though, as I see that another member is trying to make it appear that Iran is the innocent victim and it is Israel who is the threatening nation. Again, for the both of you, look at the history, review the continuous rhetoric and realize how you arguments fly in the face of fact, history and reason. As for me, I have to go to work. This will be a great time for you two to respond. Don't worry, though, as I'll return in a few hours and will have some rather lovely quotes of lovely messages from the leaders of the other nations surrounding Israel. On second thought, why do that? You two can't even read the comments of the Iranian leadership in the last several days, much less appreciate a continuous barrage of deadly statements. Well, that isn;t true, y'all can understand them, I think. I think that is not the problem.

why do they feel the need to escalate things so quickly? From

I have read that aheminijad actually expects the apocalypse to occur within the next two years, so perhaps he is doing this stuff to make sure he is on (what he perceives as) the right side. Maybe he figures it'd be nice to be a Lieutenant in the Mahdi's army.

Originally posted by Frosty

Whether it is done in secret, does this make any difference? The US government kept secret its program to build long range bombers capable of carrying nuclear payloads, as well as various spyplanes, nuclear strike missiles, and airforce bases. Not familiar with Area-51? Search ATS.

That's exactly the point isn't it? Why would a PEACEFUL nuclear program (which is what the Iranians claim they are up to) need secrecy?

If you're saying you need secrecy for military projects then hell yes - I agree.

How in the hell did Israel get the bomb? They did not go through the process of assembling a program on their own. They lack the discipline to know what they are doing. Iran cannot be any worse. But the balance of power is an issue Israel would rather not see occur.

They got it through espionage and science - bit like the way the Americans and Soviets did the space race - with other people's tech!

And I agree completely - it's a balance of power thing. No state has attacked Israel since 73 probably mainly because of their nuclear deterrent. I would rather the balance of terror in this case be unilateral because the Israelis have a track record of self-defence, rather than unprovoked aggression.

The prospect of Iran with a nuclear weapon and a lunatic leader I think would fill most people in the West with complete apprehension.

This is all about Israel (we were handed our nuclear capablitites on a silver plater) staying the onlyy nuclear power in the Middle-east. This has nothing to do with Iran the rogue state. Or the terrorist. Israel and its nuclear capablities is like a spoiled brat with a nuclear bomb.

I wouldn't say spoiled brat - that implies that Israel created a nuclear weapon because it was bored, or something.

Their deterrent exists because their neighbours were trying to drive the citizenry into the sea.

I think they have proven that a nuclear option in responsible hands is a very good deterrent against agression. And it's an option most people (and I'm pretty sure the UN will agree on this) don't want the current Iranian regime to have.

TD

Originally posted by soficrow
Unlike Israel's nuclear capacities which don't worry anyone.

Has Israel made any threats to "wipe off the map" any country soficrow?

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone who has claimed that "Israel shouldn't worry about the threats done by the regime of Iran, and their new nuclear ambitions," don't live in Israel. It is very easy for these people to claim "there is nothing to worry about," they are not the ones being threatened.

Originally posted by soficrow
...IMO - this is not news. If Iran is referred to the Security Council, of course they'll boot out the inspectors. Like, what else would they do? What would the US do in the same circumstances?

This is not news?....
If Iran is referred to the Security Council, they should be working with the UN to show them they are not going to use this nuclear technology for weapons....that's what they should be doing, instead of hurrying up their programs....

Originally posted by soficrow
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FYI - I am saying that aggressive bullying just makes the problem worse, and convinces nations and people that they MUST stand up for their rights - or end up better than dead. Not the objective I don't think.

And having the regime of Iran, and it's president call for the destruction of Israel is not bullying?

Originally posted by soficrow

What does my nationality or country of residence have to do with my ability to consider or comment on ANYTHING?

I really want to know.

You seem to be one of the people that doesn't want to understand the situation that Israel is in. Only one nuclear weapon will be enough to destroy Israel, or most of it. You seem to want to take this risk, and part of that reason is because you don't live in Israel.

I don't live in Israel either, nor do I have family there, but I can see why they wouldn't want Iran working on nuclear technology, after all the threats of attacks and "wiping off the map" or moving Israel to other places, etc, etc.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by soficrow
Unlike Israel's nuclear capacities which don't worry anyone.

Has Israel made any threats to "wipe off the map" any country soficrow?

The point is, the region is volatile - and Israel is part of the region and contributes to the volatility.

Originally posted by soficrow
If Iran is referred to the Security Council, of course they'll boot out the inspectors. Like, what else would they do? What would the US do in the same circumstances?

If Iran is referred to the Security Council, they should be working with the UN to show them they are not going to use this nuclear technology for weapons

Iran already does have inspectors and is working with the UN - the point is, if Iran gets referred to the Security Council it means the rules are changed. So why would Iran play?


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[edit on 13-1-2006 by soficrow]

Originally posted by soficrow

The point is, the region is volatile - and Israel is part of the region and contributes to the volatility.

The region is volatile because the Palestinian authority, among some others, don't want Israel to exist. I guess Israel is contributing to the volatility of the region by just existing. So what do you suggest soficrow?

Originally posted by soficrow
Iran already does have inspectors and is working with the UN - the point is, if Iran gets referred to the Security Council it means the rules are changed. So why would Iran play?


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[edit on 13-1-2006 by soficrow]

I thought I read something about Iran working on nuclear technology in "secret" for 18 years. I guess "working in secret" means they were following all the rules.



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