Impeachment or Worse?

Here's a hypothetical question for you: What would be the worst course for this nation: (A.) Impeach the president and his administration for invading Iraq on false pretenses; (B.) No punishment; or (C.) eliminating Bush in a hostile take-over by Cheney/Rumsfeld (in the guise as a terrorist attack/lone nut scenario)?

If you chose C., no punishment, think: constant war, possibly escalating into a nuclear exchange (with Iran and/or one of their allies).

[edit on 1/12/06 by EastCoastKid]

Here's an article making a strong case for impeachment, from someone who's been there and done that.

The scariest thing about Bush being impeached would be... who would take his place? They could be worse, if that's even possible...

The Impeachment of George W. Bush
By Elizabeth Holtzman
The Nation

30 January 2006 Issue

Finally, it has started. People have begun to speak of impeaching President George W. Bush - not in hushed whispers but openly, in newspapers, on the Internet, in ordinary conversations and even in Congress. As a former member of Congress who sat on the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon, I believe they are right to do so.

I can still remember the sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach during those proceedings, when it became clear that the President had so systematically abused the powers of the presidency and so threatened the rule of law that he had to be removed from office. As a Democrat who opposed many of President Nixon's policies, I still found voting for his impeachment to be one of the most sobering and unpleasant tasks I ever had to undertake. None of the members of the committee took pleasure in voting for impeachment; after all, Democrat or Republican, Nixon was still our President.
www.truthout.org...

Question:
Talk of impeaching/impeachment has been ongoing for exactly how long now, ECK?

Yeah, that credible voice you just linked to is but another added to those who have been talking about impeachment of Bush for quite sometime. They tell me that actions speak louder than words....





seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Question:
Talk of impeaching/impeachment has been ongoing for exactly how long now, ECK?

Would you like an exact count of months, days, minutes, seconds....?

Yeah, that credible voice you just linked to is but another added to those who have been talking about impeachment of Bush for quite sometime. They tell me that actions speak louder than words....

Well, let's see Seekerof, who is that credible voice you question?

*As a former member of Congress who sat on the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon, I believe they are right to do so.

*As a Democrat who opposed many of President Nixon's policies, I still found voting for his
impeachment
to be one of the most sobering and unpleasant tasks I ever had to
undertake.

*During the Nixon impeachment proceedings, I drafted the resolution of impeachment to hold President Nixon accountable for concealing from Congress the bombing of Cambodia he initiated.
www.truthout.org...

Someone who's been there and done that.










seekerof

[edit on 1/12/06 by EastCoastKid]

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Would you like an exact count of months, days, minutes, seconds....?

Excuse me? Try a couple years and a few "months, days, minutes, seconds".

Well, let's see Seekerof, who is that credible voice you question?

Nice attempt at deflection, but accordingly, that alleged credible voice would be in reference to this mention:

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Someone who's been there and done that.

As such, again, their voice(s) is but added to those who have been talking impeachment for quite sometime.

Actions speak louder than words. Hello?!
Seen the impeachment process taking shape anytime soon? Hardly.





seekerof

I cant say which option would be the worse for America. However I can say which option is most likely to occur.
Option B.
It is unlikely that that Bush will be impeached unless the Dems make major gains in the mid term elections. Even if the Dems are in a postion to impeach Bush there is still the problem of evidence. Being naive isnt a crime.
Mind you Nixon was impeached for less but the oval office tapes were his undoing.
Of course the Dems could work towards discrediting the Bush admin it shouldnt be to diffcult just start with the vice president and conflict of interest.

Having said that IF politics was put aside I wonder how many politicans would be in jail or out of office in disgrace. I suspect we would see a differnt list of politicans.



[edit on 14-1-2006 by xpert11]

You do recall those sixteen words George W. uttered that State of the Union speech, don't you? In a court of law, that is the same as speaking under oath.

Those words will come back to haunt him.

For those who are not aware of what I was alluding to, here is an excellent link to explain:

Those 16 Words Still Smell

July 24, 2004
By Dennis Hans

We are now told that the controversial 16-word sentence in the January 28, 2003 State of the Union address (hereafter "SOTU") about alleged Iraqi efforts to procure unenriched uranium from Africa was "truthful" (William Safire) and "well-founded" (Britain's Butler Committee report). Alas, it is neither.
www.democraticunderground.com...

EastCoastKid aside from the fact you can make the argument that Bush and Co were feed faulty intel by a bunch of Iraqi ex pats are the Republicans really going to turn on there star?

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Would you like an exact count of months, days, minutes, seconds....?

Excuse me? Try a couple years and a few "months, days, minutes, seconds".

Well, let's see Seekerof, who is that credible voice you question?

Nice attempt at deflection, but accordingly, that alleged credible voice would be in reference to this mention:

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Someone who's been there and done that.

As such, again, their voice(s) is but added to those who have been talking impeachment for quite sometime.

Actions speak louder than words. Hello?!
Seen the impeachment process taking shape anytime soon? Hardly.





seekerof

You are a legend in your own mind, my friend.

Originally posted by xpert11
EastCoastKid aside from the fact you can make the argument that Bush and Co were feed faulty intel by a bunch of Iraqi ex pats are the Republicans really going to turn on there star?

BushCo. manufactured (OSP) and cherry-picked their own "intel". They knew it was not backed up by anything more than a single dubious source that was discredited by the CIA. Speaking of them, BushCo. has dumped so much blame on them, its unreal. Thanks to George Tenent.

If the Republicans have a shred of integrity, they will investigate all supposed wrongdoing and take whatever actions necessary. Even if that means impeaching one of their own.

One of my biggest problems with Republicans today is they seem to place their loyalty in the party over their loyalty to the United States of America. That's fanatical.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

If the Republicans have a shred of integrity, they will investigate all supposed wrongdoing and take whatever actions necessary. Even if that means impeaching one of their own.

Has there ever been integrity in politics?

One of my biggest problems with Republicans today is they seem to place their loyalty in the party over their loyalty to the United States of America. That's fanatical.

Most politicans put there party before country. The likes of Bush and other right wing partys put corprate interests before people. The left is no better instead of corprate hand outs people get over taxed and noble aims that often fail. Dont get me wrong Im not defending the Bush admin just calling it how I see it.

[edit on 7-2-2006 by xpert11]