Please Vote Jan.23rd, but DONT VOTE LIBERAL!!!

Recently Bill O'Riley accused the CBC of being Liberal cheerleaders. It was pretty funny actually, that dude hasn't got a clue as to how things are in Canada.
Anyway, his comment has really pissed some people off that work at the CBC.

CBC News: Sunday has asked for people to write to the CBC if they think that the CBC is bias and to tell them why. Tomorrow I think they are going to review what people had to say.


As for me questioning Martin's and Harper's loyalty, every Canadian should know this.

Steven Harper: "Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it."

Paul Martin: Canadian Steamship Lines, the company owned by Martin's family, registers its ships in foreign countries and avoids paying Canadian taxes.

Sardion, I am not alone in my views of the CBC, they are our main media outlet and they are extremely biased, on top of that one of our major newspapers is also extrmely biased. The Toronto Star. Enough said.

Canadians pay over $800 million every year in tax dollars to the CBC which is subsidized by the government and I am aware of the union connection.

Don't get me wrong I have been a bartender for long time and work with no benefits, we are the lowest paid people $6.25 per hour plus tips. Not everyone likes to tip. My point is Unions were originally designed to protect workers rights, not to abuse them for their own gain.

I would be all for unions if they actually worked for, and in the interest of the workers.

There are very many workers for the auto workers union who will be voting conservative because they are completely disgusted with Buzz off Hargrove.

Everyone views and perspectives are different but, this liberal party cloaks itself with grandiose exclamations that they are all for the rights of individuals when in fact they dictate to us what they think is best without a choice.

Sorry but I don't want to live in a welfare state. I might as well move to Cuba.

On a lighter not I hope whoever becomes our prime minister will hold this position with principle and integrity. Something that is good for all Canadians.

Sorry the leafs lost again, 7-0 ugh and to Ottawa at that.
Looks like its not only our tax dollars that Ottawa is stealing

Sardion, I am not alone in my views of the CBC, they are our main media outlet and they are extremely biased, on top of that one of our major newspapers is also extrmely biased. The Toronto Star. Enough said.

You're sidestepping my point which was that the CBC isn't a Liberal propaganda machine which is what you basically said.

As for the Wealthfare state you say we're living in, where is it? I don't see it. The Welly offices in Ontario want to get people off the system as fast as possible regardless of wether or not it puts people on the streets. I had to put up a couple of friends for a few months because that is basically what they did to them under the Harris government when they were going all "Common Sense" on all our asses. I won't bore you with the details as you most likely dont care but Conservative policies cause real hardship amoung the most vulnerable in our society(I also see "Liberal" policies in the same light)

The best situation I can hope for is a Minority Gov't with the NDP holding the balance of power as I want to see more investment into Municipalities, less Corporate Wealthfare and NO tax cuts for people making over 6 figures.

[edit on 21-1-2006 by sardion2000]

Umbrax, Stephen Harper did make the comment, but as usual it is taken out of context, he is correct in his statement and it was not said with pride.

What he meant by our being proud of it, there are views in this country of a great many that feel they can take this country for a free ride.

The comments he makes are simply stating the truth and these are phrased with contempt for our present and previous goverments , not the country or its people.

He believes like many of us that we have the ability and the resources to be a more productive country, and any able body should contribute, but sadly there are many who feel they don't have to, and our present government encourages this.

I for one hope the conservatives take a majority thereby finally enabling a government to acutally to what they are supposed to do and govern.
Too many cooks spoil the broth.

A little saying about Canadians, we don't vote governments in , we vote them out.

Originally posted by Umbrax
Recently Bill O'Riley accused the CBC of being Liberal cheerleaders. It was pretty funny actually, that dude hasn't got a clue as to how things are in Canada.

It really gets on my nerve that some American political commentators apply an American reference model to Canadian politics. O'Reilly is saying that the same way he would say that PBS is a Democratic lapdog.

I see some already gloating that the election of Stephen Harper means left-wingers in Canada are finally getting told off by the conservative "silent majority" same as down south... which would be completely misreading the situation. The Conservative party can never be as far right as the Republican party, for the simple reason that Canadian values are much more centrist and if the Tories were to take the country too far to the right on social issues, they would be out faster than you can say "McKenna" in four years.

Originally posted by alphacentauri Sorry the leafs lost again, 7-0 ugh and to Ottawa at that.
Looks like its not only our tax dollars that Ottawa is stealing

It's not stealing... it's just better playing. I say go Sens go!

This is not directed at anyone in particular this is just a re-iteration of my major points for Opposing the "Liberals" and Conservatives.

1. Wealthfare is a Provincal matter, if you want to get rid of that then vote for the provincial tories. Of course if you think 530 bucks a month is too much money to live on then by all means vote for them in the next provincal election but don't be fooled into thinking that a vote for a federal conservative gov't will fix that, remember the GST? It's fitting that Harper is "promising" to cut a tax his party originally invented

2. Infrastruction doesn't appear out of thin air or donations from private donors like some right wingers like to believe. Bloor/Young stations took over a decade to complete its renovations due to Harris Budget Cuts, just imagine how much municipalities will suffer if the Conservatives get a majority, they have already stated that the City of Toronto Bill will not be renewed which will be devastating to my cities Public Transit, School System, Road Infrastructure and the Regent Park revitalisation program(which has just started by the way, they are now tearing down the first section of that failed social experiment)

3. Lack of respect towards critical Unions like Teachers, Transit and Medical.

4. Homelessness will boom under a Conservative government, I've seen two waves of such booms both in the 80s under Bullrony and the 90s under Harris. No one deserves that fate in Canada primarily due to the weather. The myth of the willing homeless is just that, a myth.

5. The Conservative Budget doesn't make sense. It would require upwards of 20 Billion dollars in budget cuts. Guess where thats gonna come from. It's gonna come from Tuition Subsidies, Housing Subsidies, Scrapping Kyoto, Not Renewing Municipal deals, Schools, Transfer Payments etc etc.

I call it the Tax slightly less defecit spending plan. A recipe for disaster.

I call the LIEberal plan the Status quo "everything is fine, nothing to see here" plan.

The New Democrat plan is really the only realistic one that we have.

Of course if you don't know anyone whos had to go to a food bank even though they have a full time job you will not care, if you don't know anyone who's been bitten by hundreds of bed bugs in a battered womens shelter due to not enough money to call in an exterminator you probably wont care. You only care about what you see and experience with you own two eyes.

Umbrax, Stephen Harper did make the comment, but as usual it is taken out of context

Please provide the entire context of that statement please.(Direct quote with source link would be appreciated as well, paraphrasing can be distorted as well by memory or bias)

[edit on 22-1-2006 by sardion2000]

Sardion - Unfortunately, Harper's budget does not necessarily aim at being well thought out. It aims at being popular and winning enough hearts for Harper so he doesn't lose his last chance to become Prime Minister. The cut in the GST may go against everything the economists say concerning the right way to go about cutting taxes, but in the Conservatives' eyes, it has the merit of being visible and popular - even though the net impact on the income of any middle-class family will be almost nil. Same thing with child care - nobody is going to argue with getting a check from the federal government, even though said check won't cover half of child care expenses.

Also one other question, if Harper has nothing to hide about his Agenda why is he hiding from Reporters from Canwest, CBC, CTV, CityTV etc etc? Martin has been available though only to push the fear button, and Layton has been the most accessable of the three. That to me is proof positive of a Hidden Agenda as he is hiding from reporters and the public alike and only gives his policy announcments in scriped town hall meetings/photo ops. Seems like a very Dubya like campaign.

Otts I hear that and totally agree with you. I just cannot believe so many people are falling for it in Ontario considering what we went through during the 90s.

[edit on 22-1-2006 by sardion2000]

Originally posted by sardion2000
Please provide the entire context of that statement please.(Direct quote with source link would be appreciated as well, paraphrasing can be distorted as well by memory or bias)

Not directed to me, I know, but I just couldn't resist.

First, facts about Canada. Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it. Canadians make no connection between the fact that they are a Northern European welfare state and the fact that we have very low economic growth, a standard of living substantially lower than yours, a massive brain drain of young professionals to your country, and double the unemployment rate of the United States.

In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.

www.cbc.ca...

Oooh, I feel so much better about that speech now.

the fact that we have very low economic growth,

The fact is Mr Harper is that you are full of it. As a longtime INVESTOR, the Canadian economy hasn't been this good since the 1970s you Idiot!



Source url www.statcan.ca...



The _GSPTSE is the Toronto Stock Exchange. The _DJI is the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Notice which is doing better?

Source url ca.finance.yahoo.com...

a standard of living substantially lower than yours,

Only because our Landlord laws are extremely lax due to Liberal and Conservative appeasement of large (mostly american owned) corporations. And I take exception to the "substantially lower" comment. How do you know Mr. Harper? Have you spent a week in the slums of NOLA?

a massive brain drain of young professionals to your country,

www.the-scientist.com...

The reason why the brain drain was so pronounced was because of our deflated dollar which is no longer an issue. Remember back in the mid 90s when One American dollar could get you 1.44 CND? Not anymore! Now 1 USD will get you 1.153100 CND. It's just not worth it as much as it used to be.

and double the unemployment rate of the United States.

Because the amount of time the unemployed can recieve benefits is roughly double that of the US of A Also the USA doesn't count those unemployed that are not collecting benefits as they don't count nor are they relevent to the bean counters down south. (we don't either so it is a knock against ALL G7 countries)

In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.

So if someone gets laid off from their job they are not entitled to benenfits which they paid for in each and every paycheck?!? That is what EI is for you pompous arrogant asshole.

Harper I believe I speak for all sane Canadians when I say this, get stuffed!

[edit on 22-1-2006 by sardion2000]

Thanks for helping to put the comment in context, sardion.

I really like the comment about our lower standard of living. Considering that Canada was ranked #1 on Standard of Living from 1994 - 2000 by the UN. We currently rank 5, with the US at 10.

But that little piece of information didn't support his ramblings, so I guess he just chose to ignore it.

But that little piece of information didn't support his ramblings, so I guess he just chose to ignore it.

It's the Conservative way. Ignore what doesn't fit into their agenda no matter how factual the information is.

The polling station was fairly busy, and I really hope we don't have to do that for another 4 - 5 years.

And for the author of this thread, I voted Liberal.




Paul Martin, he's my man...............

[edit on 23/1/2006 by anxietydisorder]

Also as I looked at the ballot, I couldn't help but be amused at the fact that the marxist leninists were on there

[edit on 23-1-2006 by sardion2000]

I vote BLOC hahahahahaha

Yes, I AM Quebecoise


Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by Amelia
I vote BLOC hahahahahaha

Yes, I AM Quebecoise


Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

As long as you separtists block Harper from getting too many seats in PQ then fine by me!

Originally posted by sardion2000

Originally posted by Amelia
I vote BLOC hahahahahaha

Yes, I AM Quebecoise


Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

As long as you separtists block Harper from getting too many seats in PQ then fine by me!

Not a lot of conservateurs will get in PQ...well actually we could be surprised

BTW, I am not a separtist freak, I just want Quebec to be well represent in Ottawa

Even though the Bloc is a separatist party, I think they represent Quebec quite well. If they do a good job they should be voted for again. I just want Quebec to stay in Canada. I will be voting NDP. I am one of those welfare recievers--actually I'm on disability. I would love nothing better to be out there working--damn body. I just don't see Harper as understanding the needs of the country as a whole. After listening to him speak he has a nice idea of where his party wants to take the country but as to achieving everything he wants I think he will be sorely mistaken once he gets into office. If he gets into office. He doesn't seem to understand the finances of the country, unlike Martin who knows it so well. Trying to get rid of the GST will be nearly impossible, it will cost so much for businesses to change it will be a nightmare. Also the money that is required to run the government, he just hasn't a clue. He will be relying on advisors so much he won't be able to do anything without asking them first. Anyways I am ranting. Sorry.

Mr. Harper may be a very nice man but I don't want him running my country . I don't want to be one of the unimportant non-earners that he scrapes off his shoe. I am really frightened.

I've voted Liberal ever since ive been able to vote. The fact of the matter is: Canada has done some amazing things under the liberals. Lowered unemployement, the economy is arguable the best in the world, implimented environmental protection in the form of Kyoto.
Mind you there are some things they botched, like the gun registry, which went way over budget and really didnt solve anything. Its a funny thing becasue STEVEN HARPER voted for the gun registry. He one of only a few PC's to do that at the time it was getting based in parliment.
I am very disappointed with the liberals though, when it comes to the stealing of taxpayers money. THis is probably why i am not voting liberal this election. I have decided to go "UNVOTED" this time around.

I mean seriuosly, what good party is there to vote for other than the liberals who screwed it all up.

Hmmmm.....should i vote for the douche bag, money grabbing guy on the left or vote for that turd sandwich on the right?

Then i guess you have that other idiot (NDP leader jack layton) who will bankrupt the government in no time with his leftist ideas.

Maybe i will consider the marijuana party....but i dont think this is a realistic option for Canada.

I know what some people are gonna tell me: "You have to vote, its a right and privilage" and "If you dont vote then you have no right to complain when which ever party comes into power". I say to you: cram it. If there is no single honourable and representative party then i should have all the power to criticize all the parties and in turn not vote for any of them.

Then i guess you have that other idiot (NDP leader jack layton) who will bankrupt the government in no time with his leftist ideas.

Excuse me? Did you actually take a look at the platforms and compare? The most expensive platform out of all of them was the CONSERVATIVES. Second most expensive was the NDP. Third was the Liberals. Both the Liberal plan and the NDP plan would still have us in surplus territory.

Remember the Conservatives are synomimous with Defecit spending. NOT the Liberals. And the NDP have never form a federal gov't so saying that they'll bankrupt our country is well false as we cannot predict the future.

[edit on 23-1-2006 by sardion2000]