A fight for our freedoms and country..

1) Or... work with your kids. Go over with them what they're learning in school. Sit down with them and help them understand.

2) Or... Monitor what your children are watching. As a responsible parent it's your job to make sure they're not watching or immitating violence they see on tv and teching them the difference of reality from fantasy.

3) Or... Manage your finances more responibly. Spend within your income bracket. Don't get credit cards and try to stay away from banks for example, no loans. If you can't afford it, you don't deserve it. Work harder, become more succesful.

4) Or... Become more active with politics. The voice of one may not make that much of an impact, but if we're all speaking at once... Failure to vote and voice your opinion is just the same as telling them to walk all over you.

5) Or... There's nothing wrong with military game's. It's a source of entertainment and if you feel your kids shouldn't be playing violent video game's, then don't let them. As for adult's, if you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, also don't play them. For the rest of us, see you on americas army!

These certainly won't stop the NWO, but it'll better prepare you for dealing with reality and stepping out of fantasy and prevent you from ruining your live's. It'll also bring you and your family closer together and become happier.

Yiaweta, All your suggestions are good ones even without the existence of a NWO; however the NWO is firmly in control and there is really no type of resistence that could be effective. The NWO tells us we are free and we believe it because we want to believe it. The NWO is the absolute master of mind control and there is no excape if you live in the "matrix" mass media. Who do you think designs TV programing, Video games, Movies etc.
To think that it's just random creativity is extremely naive. Subliminal messages and influence are a reality.

It's a brave new world!

[edit on 18-1-2006 by whaaa]

Wait.. What? Im afraid I was lost after 'Liquidate your monetary assets', even if I kept reading down to 'stop playing video games'.. I don't play them to begin with, but assuming I did, wheres the conditioning? And more over, isn't the 'super evil government conspiracy group of evil death' named:
New
World
ORDER

If so, I don't see how preparing a person for chaos would help, since they are infact seaking to place ORDER.

Originally posted by Produkt

5) Or... There's nothing wrong with military game's. It's a source of entertainment and if you feel your kids shouldn't be playing violent video game's, then don't let them. As for adult's, if you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, also don't play them. For the rest of us, see you on americas army!

Sorry but this post made me laugh and forced me to register. So you're worried about something pertaining to Guerilla and Insurgency training literature, but war based shooters are ok? You're kidding right? You can easily practice small unit tactics in games like the Socom or Battlefield series flanking, ambushes, setting up triangular crossfires ect. Granted games don't teach you how to make IED's, and make homemade armor piercing rounds, but chemistry books and common sense are more valuable when it comes to that compared to kook internet literature.

I really have no opinion one way or the other about the original post since I don't even know what it said, but I'm sure I've read "manuals' similar to it. With that said I don't really see how a mentally disturbed child running across something like this would influence his/her actions any more than Socom or BF. I mean honestly, look at the violence in our media, how can a "militia/whatever training manual" be any worse than what's on the TV, or in movies? Too be totally honest, and with all due respect your argument for video games contradict your earlier statements somewhat.

There's nothing wrong with the internet. It's a source of entertainment and if you feel like your kids shouldn't be playing violent video games, then don't let them. Right? Sorry couldn't resist.


Anyway, as far as the NWO goes I have no idea. If there is a group out there with those intentions I would certainly hope they could come up with a better name than NWO, although I don't really like hearing leaders calling for a "New World Order". It's sort of like VD, it doesn't sound good or positive no matter how it's used. Even worse when it's uttered from Bush's mouth. With that said I don't really see how some of you in the U.S. (here) can't see we're slowly inching towards a police state. I live in medium sized town, and 4 months back there was a raid on a house across the street for a white trash meth freak that failed to appear on a court date. For a week leading up to the raid 2 plainclothes detectives would show up and ask his wife questions, look to see if he's on the property which he never was. So I'm sitting there replacing dry wall in my bathroom, and I look at his house and there's 6 uniforms and 2 very overweight guys in all black, combat boots, M4's, with optics, forward grips, 10 mags(10x13=300, typical military combat load out), and even magazine couplers. Looked like something straight out of Iraq cept instead of cammo, their in black. Now, my first question was, isn't this a little excessive? 300 freaking rounds?!? Then another thing came to mind, oh great, rifle rounds rip though multiple houses, so it'd be a safe bet to say they don't care one bit about us. Hell, even in home defense situations Law Enforcement suggests pistols, and shotguns, not rifles due to over penetration. They’re raiding a middle class split entry, not a 400 yard wide airfield, if you can't hit your target at 10 feet with a pistol you shouldn't be a cop, hell you shouldn't even be allowed to own a gun, much less fire one off in a neighborhood. Their excuse? "We have these AR's incase a suspect is wearing body armor." Really? Seriously? I'm afraid your little .223/5.56mm 40 grain FMJ NATO round won't penetrate my vest so no. I think it's two things really, one is what I call an "Airsoft Complex" aka "I've watched way to much Blackhawk Down and I think I'm as good as SFOD-D". Then they see Army dudes all decked out on the news, and every airsofter and cop under 35 on the net starts buying 5.11 Tacvests, ACOG's, forward grips, the latest greatest combat boots ect. Cause it makes them more effective? Maybe if you’re patrolling Baghdad, but not Boston. I'll kick your door in and double tap you just as fast with my All Stars on as my combat boots.

I also think there's another reason for it. See you have to look at the bigger picture, warrentless searches, National I.D., warrentless wiretaps, Army working within police depts ect. Everyday our Law Enforcement agencies look more and more like military. Why do you suppose that is? Think it's just an accident? Do you really think it'll keep 18 hijackers (or the grays, or walking lizards, or whoever the scapegoat for 9-11 is this week) from crashing planes into buildings? No, and no freaking way. I'm positive it's to desensitize us to the idea of military roaming our streets, hell Blackwater already is and look at their less than stellar history.

Taking quotes from past presidents, like Woodrow Wilson's, and seeing how things seem to happen no matter how people think or vote it's easy to suspect there's a hidden power at work like this suspected NWO. What's my personal opinion on the existence of the NWO? I'd say it's a 50/50 chance. Reason I say that is, there's just as much proof proving it exists as there is proof it doesn't. And I'm going to need something much more than the MSM or gov't to tell me it doesn't. They (gov't) tell us a lot of garbage that isn't true, they get caught and no one is ever held accountable. Here's the way I look at everything, no matter what, no matter the source if you're coming to kill me, or imprison me for religion, or political affiliation, or harm my family you will be met with quick, accurate, and effective resistance, whether it be in the home, car, or nature. I'm armed and while I hope and pray I will never have to fire a shot again in anger, I will if I have to, I will if my or my family's life depends on it. Could I be arrested right now? Sure, I wouldn't resist because I'm sure they'd have a legal reason for it, and I have nothing to hide. But if you want to do it to pin a yellow star or something along those lines on me, well, DUCK and RUN!

Expect the worst, prepare for the best, that's my basic view. Paranoia is never effective, preparation is.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but y'all have a great site here, I've been a reader for years, and now a poster. Thanks.

First of all to WithoutEqual: dude you make me glad that some intelligently patriotic people still own guns.If i had a vote left youd get itAnd i think you are right about the desensitizing towards a military police presence on national soil.I am glad there will be thinkers at the triggers for the resistance.
Second of all to Gunman: dude, what are you thinking?This is not a safe enviroment in which to toss around actual battle plans for what would be a tragically short battle.Do you not think this sight is not monitered by people fully capable of finding out exactly who you are?Before you go tossing bullets into the fire make sure the kids are not in the room.Or are you perhaps fishing for bona fide revolutionaries and their tactics I can assure you that no one with the wherewithall to fight such a battle would be foolish enough to divulge tactics in such a forum.Puhleeze
As for the existence of a NWO....the heads of state in the most powerful (militarily and financially) nation upon earth have used such a term quote unquote enough times that i would beware the herald even if i had NOT read F.E.M.A. HR 4079 cover to cover (if you havent read this charter you are woefully ignorant upon the subject of NWO in the U.S....READ IT :hey
Finally, imho the revolution will be won with ideas and realizations....not with guns....though im glad people like WithoutEqual own them.
Peace.

Originally posted byWithoutEqual ]
Sorry but this post made me laugh and forced me to register.

congrats you got 7 points on your first post



[edit on 19-1-2006 by pepsi78]

Maybe there is a N.W.O in hiding but i doubt it. Heres 2 reasons:
1:The N.W.O is the 21st century Communism in conspiracy forums. If this forum was somehow in the 50's it wouldn't be N.W.O or One World Government;it would be Communism and Russia.

2:How is it even possible for one hidden organisation to rule?After months of looking at conspiracy forums etc there are too many organisations for one to truly rule:Illuminati, Obscurami, Freemasons, Priory of Sion etc. And dont give me **** about them infiltrating each other because if they did it would be a bit jumbled in the end with double, triple agents etc.

Originally posted by pepsi78

Sorry but this post made me laugh and forced me to register.

congrats you got 7 points on your first post

Awesome! Thanks for the warm welcome guys!

I do have a question though and it's kinda off topic. If the N.W.O. exists then what's their endgame? That's the one thing I've never understood due to the fact there's so much conflicting information out there. What's the majority opinion? Reason I as is the one thing I've recently heard is that their goal is to use their wealth to enslave us to earn more money and power. I get the power part, you can even look at a playground and see the children that are trying to have the most power. What I don't get is if you're wealthy and we're talking filthy freaking wealthy, then why do you need more money in a world with the majority of the population enslaved? I don't think Ferrari is going to be cranking out cars in a world with a one world facist government. What is there to buy?

Back to the topic I got to thinking more in depth about gunmans inital post. What good are these supposed tactics when they're publically viewable on the internet? I mean seriously, it'd be like giving your playbook to the opposite team before a big game. Go ahead and put a neon bullseye on yourself. The number one most important thing in any fight where you're out numbered is to find your enemy's weaknesses and exploit them. Pretty simple. Trying to prepare, or form something before the storm hits will only make you a target, so you have to be fluid. Sure you can prepare any number of ways, target practice, survival skills, equipment, but if SHTF in as big of a scale as is thought (temp anarchy) then you'll have plenty of time to find a place and get all this together, and you'd want training with any resistance unit anyway, armies train for a reason. Why buy it when you can take it off a dead enemy, that's the guerrillas way. We didn't invade Japan the day after the hit, it be suicide in that case and the same goes for you. So mentally prepare for anything and everything, it'll probably be useful at some point, just not in the way you think, flat tire, home invasion, lost, ect. Insurgencies do have successes sometimes, so being able to resist a facist takeover is realistic, but militas and pre-emptive actions are not the answer, it'll only get you into trouble.

As I said, I'm not familiar with the exact content of gunmans original post but I can guess what it is, and I'm probably close. I don't think talking about literature that might show you how to build a bomb to take out troops, and mentioning ownership, or intent to buy firearms on the internet, in public or any setting with folks you don't know and trust is the wisest choice. While it may be legal, it will most likely cause unwanted attention and hassle. Think of it this way person A is talking about an upcoming trip to Columbia, person B is a good friend with person A and starts talking about connections, ways of trafficing, how to bypass customs ect. while persons E-Z are walking past. Even if there's a 10% chance you'll be snitched on, you're most likely screwed. Even if you arn't involved in the drug trade, it will create unwanted attention, and just doesn't look good.

[edit on 19-1-2006 by WithoutEqual]

Originally posted by WithoutEqual
Sorry but this post made me laugh and forced me to register. So you're worried about something pertaining to Guerilla and Insurgency training literature, but war based shooters are ok? You're kidding right? You can easily practice small unit tactics in games like the Socom or Battlefield series flanking, ambushes, setting up triangular crossfires ect. Granted games don't teach you how to make IED's, and make homemade armor piercing rounds, but chemistry books and common sense are more valuable when it comes to that compared to kook internet literature.

I really have no opinion one way or the other about the original post since I don't even know what it said, but I'm sure I've read "manuals' similar to it. With that said I don't really see how a mentally disturbed child running across something like this would influence his/her actions any more than Socom or BF. I mean honestly, look at the violence in our media, how can a "militia/whatever training manual" be any worse than what's on the TV, or in movies? Too be totally honest, and with all due respect your argument for video games contradict your earlier statements somewhat.

There's nothing wrong with the internet. It's a source of entertainment and if you feel like your kids shouldn't be playing violent video games, then don't let them. Right? Sorry couldn't resist.

Huh? lmao

Right ok... Welcome to ATS.

Can you please post example's where the big bad 'ole video game trained an army or taught kids howto ambush and set up triangular crossfires. That'd really be something to read lmao!

As for a mentally disturbed child being influenced by tv, media, videos game's whatever... I think that would kinda fall under monitoring what your kid is watching/reading on the internet? In some cases such as yours, the parent should definatley be helping they're child learn to read so when they atleast post on the internet they can make sense cuz... idk wth your getting on about.

Huh? lmao

Right ok... Welcome to ATS.
Can you please post example's where the big bad 'ole video game trained an army or taught kids howto ambush and set up triangular crossfires. That'd really be something to read lmao!

As for a mentally disturbed child being influenced by tv, media, videos game's whatever... I think that would kinda fall under monitoring what your kid is watching/reading on the internet? In some cases such as yours, the parent should definatley be helping they're child learn to read so when they atleast post on the internet they can make sense cuz... idk wth your getting on about.

I think you are looking only from one point of view and overlooking other parts.

Corporations after corporations is not only teaching kids that it's okay
but parents too, it is what is out there on the market and it's only one flavor, it's pushing to the limit where some parent would say i'll let my kid play it, restricting it would make you a monster in front of your kids the paranoid parent who does not let his kids play video games.
So the mesage out there is teaching parents that is okay.
Incredible on the case of a video game usualy there are no restrictions warning parents in other words it says in a wisper mod of subliminal crap
that it's okay for your kid to play it.
So when it's up to the parents the parents dont even know and in
most cases it go's like this " i'll let him play it"
The newest video games has a thing called feeling because of it's realistic graphics so it's not shooting at a sqare any more it's shooting at a human like figure where blood comes out and where every thing is put in detail.
This is and i also belive a propaganda to accept violence.
It's not only videogames, it's cartoons too where capitan crap kills 100 people at the same time, it's hard now days to find a good tom and jery
cartoon that i admit makes me laf even at 28 years of age.

belive it or not nwo is here it's moving sllow so it wont disturb any one.
Way too mutch corporate crap for it not to exist.
When i watch tv it's all there.
The corporation owns you







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I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree. Just because parent A might not take the time to know what they're kid is watching and or playing doesn't mean parent B should also. There's a difference between being there for your kid and being neglectful. In the case of video games, movies, tv shows... it's fantasy, make believe, not real. If any kid or adult has trouble distinguishing the two, they have a mental problem. Counter Strike, popular kids game and some adults... fantasy. If you can't distinguish that fact, go see a doctor. Now. Please.

Produkt, you seem to have already bought into that big manipulative bill of goods. It's not suprising that you would think that video war games are just good clean fun. I've tried to give you guys some insight, here's more...

http:www.articbeacon.com/17-Jan-2006.html

It's not good news, unfortunately!

People say that the kids responsible for the atrocities of Columbine played loads of violent video games.

I'm 16, been playing Doom, Quake, Medal Of Honor, Call of Duty, Resident Evil games and more and I want to join the army when I'm older. Not sure if it's because of the video games though.....

YIAWETA,

Of course I think they're fun. I can seperate reality from fantasy. Again, if you can't do that, get some help. And fix your link, doesn't go anywhere.

Produkt,
I can separate reality from fantasy. Can you separate the kids who took baseball bats to the homeless in Ft. Lauderdale from video game influence?. Of course you can't....there's no NWO...there's no great scheme in place...yada...yada. I still have to chuckle at people who come to a conspiratorial site to refute supposed conspiracies.Can you say ...AGENDA?

Originally posted by Produkt
YIAWETA,

Of course I think they're fun. I can seperate reality from fantasy.

So to understand more it's a fantasy of yours to kill a bunch of people
and to blow some stuff up?
I see it in your own quote.
People trully want their fantasys to become true.
And that's how you join the army to pull the triger for real a dream come true.

Fantasy= a desire a feeling that some one badly wants.

Originally posted by Gunman
My plan is just to flee to Russia and wait for dawn. After all, no one ever really talks about Russian secret societies.

Beyond going to Siberia and living my life out as a Hermit, how does one at least irk the NWO in some way beyond sitting around and talking about it? (Just like dirty hippies do with the enviorment..)

Has it accure to you that there is a reason why its called
"New WORLD Order" ?... doesnt that seem to mean that the all WORLD would be in it ? So what makes you think Russia is better? Do you know how much people starve over there? How bad their economy is ?

Russia is far from beeing a sea of roses... but if you wish to have a "police state" 1-0-1 experience than Mr. Puttin will welcome you with open arms...

YIAWETA,

I haven't heard of that story, could you post a news article on it? Either way, the parent's of those kid's should have been monitoring what their kid's were playing and or watching. If those kid's immitated what they saw on a tv screen, then there's something wrong with the kid's and something wrong with the parent's for not noticing something was wrong with those kid's.

pepsi78,

That's a nice way to twist the meaning of fantasy. What your talking about is fantasizing. There's a difference. I would suggest buying a dictionary and looking it up. I've been playing violent game's a long time now. Not once in my life have I fantasized about killing someone else due to a video game or violent movie. Again, please look up those two words, even if it hurt's your head abit. A little knowledge would help when you start to judge other's.

Usually people should be able to trust their children, but they should also watch out for them. People that cause violence due to computer games are in the vast minority.

I've never really hurt anyone, but if in a fight or getting mugged I would go psycho and batter the s**t out of someone in defence and honour.
But then again, I plan on joining the army as a sniper so....yeh, you got the idea?

Mashup, I commend your desire to join the military.But, please understand, sitting on your butt playing video games prepares you for nothing. Snipers are in fact the creme de la creme of any special forces squadron. Start tri-athlon training now and get lean and mean.