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that explains the lack of struggle in the cockpits i don't know about you but there is no way i'm leting someone with a knife dictate anything excuse me a [box cutter]take me on a wild ride to hell without a fight.anybodys will to live would have conquered the fear of a inch long box cutter.thats worse than cornering a stray dog.your gonna attack out of fear.what would you rather take your chances with a inch long razor or a hijacked plane. [hmm] i'll take a small razor for $200[jeporday]hahaa.

That explains all the 'successful' hijacking in the past then.
Have you ever been cut with a stanley knife? It's not pretty. Bearing in mind noone had ever carried out a suicide mission before, you would have endangered your lives and everyone elses?
When the hijacker is standing there with the knife to the stewerdesses throat - you would rush in would you?
People thought it was going to be like a 'normal' scenario.
The guys that did know what was going on did fight back, remember..

[edit on 6-1-2006 by AgentSmith]

Everyone was conditioned to say to themselves 'keep it cool, let them take the plane, then they'll land, they'll let us go, maybe kill any trouble makers, just keep it easy and this will turn out alright'.

Same with a mugging, 'your wallet ain't worth your life', etc etc.

Heck, considering that one out of four planes did revolt, and apparently once they realized that it was no simple hijacking, thats pretty good.

Now things are entirely different. It'll be a hell of a long time before anyone successfully hijacks an american plane.

As Nygdan said, prior to 9/11 flight crews were TRAINED to give in to demands of hijackers. Before 9/11 the only crashes from hijackings were accidents, the hijacker being stupid and running them out of fuel thinking they could fly 9000 miles farther than they could, or something like that. The thinking among airlines was "Get them on the ground, and either a rescue team can storm the plane, or we can negotiate the passengers free." The only way to do that was to give them what they wanted, and get on the ground.

well i guess when you look over you shoulder walking down a public street and acustomed to living with fear thats understandable i fought all my life not because i wanted to cause i had to i've fought more people in 1 fight than most people fought their whole lives god as my witness . it is so hard to stab or slice someone against their will. let alone while throwing knuckle sandwiches i've been to prison trust me why do you think in jail someone always attacks from the back or multiple inmates restrain the would be victim while someone cowardly uses a homemade shank,sword or knife. did you know the most exposed and sensitive nerve is in your chin tap that thing right and its a wrap on to the next chump. there is no way in hell 4 people without a gun is imposing their will on me. p.s i will admit i'm cut from a different cloth god as my witness i shall fear no man. maybe that's what flight 93 figured out ain't nothin 2 it but 2 do it.thats what those hijackers preyed on your soft sense of reasoning.[oh i'll close my eyes and this will all go away].where i'm from and where i been ain't no help.i rather live on my feet than die on my knees.Have you ever seen or used a plastic box cutter.i'm more scared of touching public door knobs and handles than that candy ass weapon.

[edit on 7-1-2006 by poopie37]

That may work for YOU on a personal level, but if you were a pilot responsible for 300+ people, it's an entirely different matter. Especially considering that there were so FEW bad endings to hijackings until 9/11.

Like I said - how come there have been countless 'successful' hijackings in the past then
The air-staff are trained to deal with these situations in a certain way, what was left of them anyway. Joe Public is told to let the prfoessionals handle it, and let's face it - the majority of people are not eager to be the first to get hurt. The hijackings took part in 1st class from what I make out so most people didn't know what was going on anyway and anyone going through the curtain could have been attacked by terrorists waiting to the sides. I'm glad you consider yourself some sort of Rambo hardman, but up until 9/11 people with your attitude would have ended up getting people killed. Looking at the situation now though it would probably be good to a have a few psyco's like you on the plane LOL

its not about being physco but having the will to fight man what few people on that plane had hence[the reason for them attacking uptight ass first class]. all i'm trying to say is a bully prey's on the weak nobody want's to fight someone who's going to fight back trust me the next time you feel threatened by another person look them in the eyes and take a offensive stand its less likely that danger will follow.man this is hopeless just call for help thats what 911- is for normal [lay down in the face of any type of threat people]differnt strokes for differnt folkes.after all if black people would have never stood up they would still be picking cotton.!!p.s if my life was on that plane the hell with a flight crew .corner a mutt and it will bite you.

i think pre-9/11 u would be taking on the 4 hijackers and most of the passangers. Afterall they dont want to get their captors angry so they would most probably try to keep u from trying anyting.

if i was on one of those planes with a person like you i would want to give it a go to, but i doubt i could initiate anything like that, and dont even know if i'd have the guts to go through with anythng.

i just realized you and everyone you think are complete *SNIP why would you fight me and not the problem at hand? man what are you talking about it makes no sense if someone hits you you hit back if someones slashes someone throat with a box cutter you don't sit there and wait till they slash yours are worse. you fight back. it's basic animal instinct.what you obviously lack.like i said everyone wasn't raised in mayberry somethings you got to do for your self like take up for your own battle.you are so dependent on the system that your willing to risk your own life.[that's bannanas]for the sake of someone coming to your rescue.p.s try calling 911- and it takes over a half an hour to get there. that is what the hijackers new you [people like you] would submit and turn for help when all you had to do was sucker puinch the bullpooout *SNIP*. point blank they relied on athourities to do what they could do.now you can't sneeze on a plane without getting tackeld or shot. end of story live and learn

[edit on 7-1-2006 by poopie37]

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[edit on 8/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

man when i seen them cut a passengers throat thats all i needed to see too think and react at the same time realize my fate was in my own hands!*SNIP*

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[edit on 8/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Were you brought up on a diet of action movies or sumthing?

Just because a few people put across a different point of view from yours doesn't mean you are automatically right.

PRIOR to 9/11 their was no reason to believe anything was going to go really wrong. Not sure i can see any one man being able to take down 4 men as easily as you make it sound. If you honestly believe you could take down 4 armed men then good luck to ya.

I cant see any reason why people wouldnt fight back if the knew for a fact they were about to be used as a flying bomb, it is simply they beleived they were going to land the plane and get off after some negotiations by the authoritys.


P.S its not big and clever to call people "a55holes" just because they happen to hold a different viewpoint.

if the shoe fit wear it like i said if someone try to do you harm you don't stand there and let them. man I fought six inmates at one time [6]you birds of a feather flock together reason being why anyone would jump you cause a real man don't roll like that no i wasn't brought up on action movies i was brought up in the ghetto were you fight to survive i'm not letting nobody cut someones throat sitting in front,back or,side of me nor letting the sob's take me on a self imposed flight to hell. if i was on a flight to point A and you want to take me against my will to point B first chance i get you gone feel me. *SNIP* man this just boil down to differnt stokes for differnt folkes thats what make the world go round. you was trained to call for help or wait for help and my pops locked the door and made me fight my own battles.we just were raised on different sides of the law. one day you just might have to make a stand one day.think about it and that second you hesitate might just be your last.its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.

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[edit on 8-1-2006 by poopie37]

[edit on 8/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

you are just failing to see my point.

im not trying to say you are wrong, i actualy agree with you.

Thats all im saying

Poopie - I assume from you starting this thread in the 9/11 7/7 Conspiracies forum and the title being '9/11conspiracies' that you are somehow suggesting that the fact the hijackers successfully took over the aircraft is evidence to prove that the whole thing was a set-up.

I again ask you, how is this proof when you even just consider all the 'successful' hijackings that happened prior to 9/11?

[edit on 8-1-2006 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Like I said - how come there have been countless 'successful' hijackings in the past then

The air-staff are trained to deal with these situations in a certain way, what was left of them anyway. Joe Public is told to let the prfoessionals handle it, and let's face it - the majority of people are not eager to be the first to get hurt. The hijackings took part in 1st class from what I make out so most people didn't know what was going on anyway and anyone going through the curtain could have been attacked by terrorists waiting to the sides. I'm glad you consider yourself some sort of Rambo hardman, but up until 9/11 people with your attitude would have ended up getting people killed. Looking at the situation now though it would probably be good to a have a few psyco's like you on the plane LOL

If I remember correctly, those hijackings involved weapons that could not be overcome by brute force, like guns and bombs strapped to the dudes.

Can you provide me with some hijackings that were carried out with lesser weapons like knives and such? I cant think of any.

There have been hijackings carried out with fake greanades, and fake bombs, AND with knives before.

# 1981 September 29: An Indian Airlines plane carrying 111 passengers and a crew of six was hijacked by five Sikh militants carrying knives and swords. The airplane was taken to Lahore, Pakistan where Pakistani commandos overpowered the hijackers and rescued the passengers. It was related to the secessionist struggle in the Indian state of Punjab.
# 1982 [July 1]: A Sri Lankan man, identified as Sepala Ekanayaka, who is 33 years old, hijacked an Alitalia jumbo jet. Ordeal ended after 32 hours, in which he had threatened to blow up the jetliner. With hands in the air, the hijacker and more than 100 hostages walked off the plane without an incident.

IIRC this one was with a knife from onboard the plane.

1999: All Nippon Airways Flight 61 is hijacked by a lone man. He kills the pilot before he is subdued.
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The six men are accused of using knives and an ax to take control of a flight from the Isle of Youth, off the southern coast of Cuba, to Havana on March 19. American fighter jets intercepted the plane and escorted it to Key West International Airport. None of the 31 passengers or 6 crew members were injured.
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It does not matter if a grenade or bomb is fake. The hostages dont know that. They believe it is real, and thus, no one will attack you for fear you will blow them up.

I still dont see on that list any hijackings taking place using something as piddly and nonthreatening as a friggin box cutter.

A box cutter is NOT threating, period. I dont care how nasty the cuts are. I doubt its going to scare everyone on a plane.

my point is is that I think the hijackers used alot more than just box cutters to get the crew and passengers to submit. What they used and why this was never reported remains a mystery to me.

It doesn't matter if they're "very threatening" or not.

1. It took less than a minute for them to have control in the cockpit. Once you have control of the cockpit you can do anything you want, including killing the crew and crashing the plane.

2. People were programmed that if someone takes over a plane, even with something "non-threatening" like a box cutter, then you give them what they want, so they don't kill people, or cause something bad to happen.

get it how you live.i rather die on my feet than live on my knees.(da late great __________??)