White House to withdraw funding for rebuilding Iraq

Spot on DaFunk. If more people were even AWARE that they are being guided and manipulated it would be a lot easier to come up with solutions to the problems.

But no, we'd rather just shout "My news knows more news than your news" and stick blindly to the sides of the divide we've been sheperded into

from that times article:

"US officials in Baghdad have begun talking of “drawdown”, “transition” and the “wind-down” of American reconstruction projects. Instead they plan to focus on building up the Iraqi Government’s capacity to manage its own affairs."


So, all they are doing is DISCUSSING the possibilities of reducing the money being spent on reconstruction and, instead, putting more effort into building up the gov't, which would, in turn, BRING OUR MEN AND WOMEN HOME FASTER.

this is actually good news Souljah, thanks for the links. You are seeing the first steps towards the reduction of troops in Iraq. Sadly, according to every link you locate, it is conjecture and conversation and not yet an actual event.

My fingers are crossed that this plan will be put in motion A.S.A.P.

on a side note, is there a Reason you periodically Capitalize Certain words? I've been wondering about this for a while now and I'm curious as to the point of the seemingly random capitalizations.

sorry in advance for the sidetrack but it reallys is puzzling to me.

Originally posted by Souljah
Now tell me, OH Enlightened One, what GOOD has the Bush Administration done in Iraq Aftermath?

More then you would ever admit I am sure. Now if yur buddies would stop blowing innocent people and Iraqs oil industry, I am sure you would see progess. If you want to lay the blame on someone, blame those blowing up the pipelines not the US OK?

Originally posted by shots
Now if yur buddies would stop blowing innocent people and Iraqs oil industry, I am sure you would see progess. If you want to lay the blame on someone, blame those blowing up the pipelines not the US OK?

Well if Your Buddies would stop Blowing up Innocent People in their Houses, I am sure that the Insurgency in Iraq would decrease.

And if Your Buddies would not even Deepen the Abyss between the Religious Groups in Iraq, I am sure that the Insurgency would decrease.

And if Your Buddies would actually do something LEGAL in this War in Iraq for a change, that would really start to Improve the Picture of the Coalition in the Middle East.

But I don't see that Happening.

[edit on 4/1/06 by Souljah]

Anyone who wants some great reading on the workings of PR firms should check out the book "Toxic Sludge is Good for You." I dont recall the author, but its a real eye opening read. It is written with a pretty left-leaning biased, but I think most of us are intelligent enough to read fact and make up our own minds. Check it out

Originally posted by SouljahWell if Your Buddies would stop Blowing up Innocent People in their Houses, I am sure that the Insurgency in Iraq would decrease.

should the soldiers start strapping explosive to their bodies and try and blow up the funerals and mosques before the insurgents do? is that how this war should be fought - by the number of innocent individuals we can kill? that's what the insurgents are doing. they want to kill as many innocents as they can with the hopes that the military will leave. you want to leave the country in the hands of these folks? might as well remove the chains from Saddam and let him go back to his palace.

Originally posted by Souljah
Well if Your Buddies would stop Blowing up Innocent People in their Houses, I am sure that the Insurgency in Iraq would decrease.

I highly doubt they are as innocent as you would try and convince people. More then likely some only died because they were harboring insurgants

And if Your Buddies would not even Deepen the Abyss between the Religious Groups in Iraq,

Uhm the US is not deepening the Abyss that would be the Sunnis, but again I am sure you already knew that. :shk:

And if Your Buddies would actually do something LEGAL in this War in Iraq for a change, that would really start to Improve the Picture of the Coalition in the Middle East.

The US does things far more legal then the insurgents. You do not see them going around blowing up innocent workers, civilians and young children with car bombs do you? the ones doing that are your buddies






[edit on 1/4/2006 by shots]

Originally posted by nukunuku
dude, does it look to you that there is ORDER in Iraq?

Does it look like there is order EVERYWHERE in EVERY country?
No, in iraq there are areas in order and others not.

Originally posted by Souljah
Well if Your Buddies would stop Blowing up Innocent People in their Houses, I am sure that the Insurgency in Iraq would decrease.

I'm sure the Coalition wouldnt do this if the insurgents didnt hide IN and AROUND those buildings.
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And if Your Buddies would not even Deepen the Abyss between the Religious Groups in Iraq, I am sure that the Insurgency would decrease.

Yes...., deepen the gap you mean and not the abyss.
The insurgency would NOT decrease, simply removing one side of war will mean the propaganda officers of the insurgents would have to increase thier work load.

And if Your Buddies would actually do something LEGAL in this War in Iraq for a change, that would really start to Improve the Picture of the Coalition in the Middle East.

You mean like arresting war criminals in our own ranks and sending them to jail?
You mean ruining the careers of several members of our armed forces due to rumours and lies created deliberatly by the press, insurgents and free loaders.

But I don't see that Happening.

[edit on 4/1/06 by Souljah]

Dont see men and women building a country?
Hmm guess you just watch aljazeerah then?

Ok, tell me then why this hasnt made major news as anything this administration decides does? The media would be raising hell if this were a real story, but since they arent running with it I dont believe it is. At least they are showing the still have some jounalistic ethics about them.

Its seems that Iraqis will be waiting for their money for a long time. Monies has been redirected to pay for others expenses.

The reconstruction money has been drained away by Contractors profit’s, security costs, corruption and mismanagement.

Now remember this is our tax payer dollars here.

The congress is aware of this but when is asking for accountability the reality is that no many knows what truly is happening with our money that is to be for Iraqis benefit.

Actually the money has gone to protect and keep alive the government that our administration is helping put in place in the country.

Security is a very expensive business in Iraq now a days.

Originally posted by ludaChris
Ok, tell me then why this hasnt made major news as anything this administration decides does? The media would be raising hell if this were a real story, but since they arent running with it I dont believe it is. At least they are showing the still have some jounalistic ethics about them.

This morning on CSPAN, the call in discussion was on this very subject......so some other news coverage must be out there......

inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080...

Quote from the CSPAN page:
"The guest talks about Iraq reconstruction, saying that the Bush administration does not intend to seek new funds for Iraq reconstruction and that this is the beginning of the end of U.S. efforts to rebuild in Iraq."

Do you think if we do withdraw funding for the rebuilding of Iraq that maybe this administration will give the taxpayers back the money that hasn't been spent yet?

Joe Taxpayer: "Hey Mr. President, hows about a freakin' refund?

Dubya: "Yeah right! We'll get right on that. Next question?"

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
Do you think if we do withdraw funding for the rebuilding of Iraq that maybe this administration will give the taxpayers back the money that hasn't been spent yet?

Joe Taxpayer: "Hey Mr. President, hows about a freakin' refund?

Dubya: "Yeah right! We'll get right on that. Next question?"

Peace

dubya's response would be more akin to "we're looking into that. we have people who are, well, they're looking into that"

another well documented post souljah
some are missing the point....ONCE AGAIN bush starts off saying one thing to gain support and make it SEEM like the u.s. isn't just one of the many bad guys in the arena and then does a 180....but will not admitt that he just did it......

the emperors new clothes....very nice......

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
- George W. Bush, Gridiron Club dinner, Washington, DC, March 2001.

Originally posted by frayed1

This morning on CSPAN, the call in discussion was on this very subject......so some other news coverage must be out there......

inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080...

Quote from the CSPAN page:
"The guest talks about Iraq reconstruction, saying that the Bush administration does not intend to seek new funds for Iraq reconstruction and that this is the beginning of the end of U.S. efforts to rebuild in Iraq."

The individual that was on the show was James Dobbins, a Director of the Rand Corporation and what he stated was nothing more then his personal opinion.

Are you forgetting that this is till an unconfirmed story, by that I mean this will have to be voted on in the house and senate. I'm sure there is talk of this but its not rock hard fact. Just wait and see what happens. Oh and that link was to a call in on a morning radio show, it didnt go into details but it did say the caller talked about it. That makes it opinion, this guy was calling into the show to give his opnion, so we will see how it goes down. If they decide to vote in congress on it, well know its serious.

shots

If there's a person that's in the know on the rebuilding of Iraq, the director of the Rand Corporation would be him or her. I'm sure the Rand Corp. is knee-deep in reconstrustion to one degree or another.

His opinion (as you say) carries a hell of a lot more weight than others do.

Peace

Originally posted by clearmind
another well documented post souljah

some are missing the point....ONCE AGAIN bush starts off saying one thing to gain support and make it SEEM like the u.s. isn't just one of the many bad guys in the arena and then does a 180....but will not admitt that he just did it......

the switch from spending on rebuilding to working on strengthening the gov't is merely being discussed. what's better? Should Bush continue throwing good money after bad and attempt to do something that the locals are clearly not interested in? if they wanted to turn their nation into something different they might embrace this a bit but they are content with the Iraq of old. so, rather than continue on a path that is unpopular and unproductive, the gov't is exploring other options.

As I said, this is a good thing. This is the first step towards the end of this awful mess. For those of you that are complaining that Bush is reversing his vision here, what is the problem with that? You complain that the gov't is there to funnel money into Halliburton and now they are saying that they are considering a change of policy there and they will, possibly, decrease the spending in that area, and you complain?

should we stay there, continue trying to build up the unbuildable and continue to allow these corporations to rake in the profits or should we leave the Iraqi's alone and let them develop on their own? which would you prefer? I'm honestly confused here.

merely discussing it......just talking about it... only thinking about it...but NOT gunna do anything .....hmmmmmm this is just the begining of another great reversal....
so we are now gunna leave the place in some type of loose civil war, anarchy.....oil being controled by the u.s. or private contracted security...once the u.s. leaves..there will be no more 'mainstream news' reports for american to believe..so the situation will be resolved....

lie
bomb
invade
pledge rebuilding because u.s.invades
makes u.s. think it is less ...bad
money flows to the corporation and military
leave before they have to spend all the money
make up bs to disguise the the facts
repeat as nessesary..................

the point..lies began it ...lies end it......

[edit on 4-1-2006 by clearmind]