The TRUTH

Originally posted by LOSTTWARE
and per the ... there were not 100 nations backing us blah blah blah blah blah
WTF

Do you know how many nations are in the UN?
Do you?

It is a VERY large number. I am not going to state facts here I am not sure of like others, but I believe it to be around 150 to 250 nations.

France and Germany were the ONLY two who voted No.

Do the mother Freaking math.

That Means that more than 100 nations were backing us.

Too bad America bribes UN leaders to get its way...

"It was one of the most shameful chapters in the history of the United Nations, and is about to be repeated. For the first time, the full UN Security Council capitulated to an American-led war party and abandoned its legal responsibility to advance peaceful and diplomatic solutions. On 29 November, the United States got its war resolution. This was made possible by a campaign of bribery, blackmail and threats, of which a repetition is currently under way, especially in countries such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. In 1990, Egypt was the most indebted country in Africa. Baker bribed President Mubarak with $14bn in "debt forgiveness" and all opposition to the attack on Iraq faded away. Syria's bribe was different; Washington gave President Hafez al-Assad the green light to wipe out all opposition to Syria's rule in Lebanon. To help him achieve this, a billion dollars' worth of arms was made available through a variety of back doors, mostly Gulf states.

Iran was bribed with an American promise to drop its opposition to a series of World Bank loans. The bank approved the first loan of $250m on the day before the ground attack on Iraq. Bribing the Soviet Union was especially urgent, as Moscow was close to pulling off a deal that would allow Saddam to extricate himself from Kuwait peacefully. However, with its wrecked economy, the Soviet Union was easy prey for a bribe. President Bush sent the Saudi foreign minister to Moscow to offer a billion-dollar bribe before the Russian winter set in. He succeeded. Once Gorbachev had agreed to the war resolution, another $3bn materialised from other Gulf states.

The votes of the non-permanent members of the Security Council were crucial. Zaire was offered undisclosed "debt forgiveness" and military equipment in return for silencing the Security Council when the attack was under way. Occupying the rotating presidency of the council, Zaire refused requests from Cuba, Yemen and India to convene an emergency meeting of the council, even though it had no authority to refuse them under the UN Charter.

Only Cuba and Yemen held out. Minutes after Yemen voted against the resolution to attack Iraq, a senior American diplomat told the Yemeni ambassador: "That was the most expensive 'no' vote you ever cast." Within three days, a US aid programme of $70m to one of the world's poorest countries was stopped. Yemen suddenly had problems with the World Bank and the IMF; and 800,000 Yemeni workers were expelled from Saudi Arabia. The ferocity of the American-led attack far exceeded the mandate of Security Council Resolution 678, which did not allow for the destruction of Iraq's infrastructure and economy. When the United States sought another resolution to blockade Iraq, two new members of the Security Council were duly coerced. Ecuador was warned by the US ambassador in Quito about the "devastating economic consequences" of a No vote. Zimbabwe was threatened with new IMF conditions for its debt.

The punishment of impoverished countries that opposed the attack was severe. Sudan, in the grip of a famine, was denied a shipment of food aid. None of this was reported at the time. By now, news organisations had one objective: to secure a place close to the US command in Saudi Arabia. At the same time, Amnesty International published a searing account of torture, detention and arbitrary arrest by the Saudi regime. Twenty thousand Yemenis were being deported every day and as many as 800 had been tortured and ill-treated."

www.stevethepro.ukf.net...

www.islamonline.net...

www.unwire.org...
"This brings us to the United Nations. After all, many opponents of war are looking to the UN to prevent it. Sadly, they are looking in the wrong place.Like the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund, the UN reflects the unequal structure of power in the world. Just like those institutions, the UN is dominated by a handful of powers � the five permanent members of the Security Council � each of which has a veto over any resolution. More than this, behind the scenes, the dominant players use threats and bribery to get their way.

To insure Pakistan�s support for war in Afghanistan, for instance, the US government bought off its leadership at a price of $1 billion. At the moment, the Bush administration is doing the same thing with countries like Angola and Guinea which are temporarily on the UN Security Council. And France, as we have seen, is manoevering for a share of Iraqi oil. In short, the UN operates like a den of thieves with the most powerful governments dominating the wheeling and dealing. "

www.newsocialist.org...

"Using Corleone-style tactics, Bush pulled out all the stops to gain support of the council. "What's unique is the scale and the audacity of the bribing," says Phyllis Bennis, a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies and co-author of the group's report "Coalition of the Willing or Coalition of the Coerced?" Almost every country faced "coercion, bullying, bribery, or the implied threat of U.S. action that would directly damage the interests of the country," the report says. Many nations may remember what the United States did to Yemen prior to the Gulf War in 1991. "When Yemen, the sole Arab country on the council, voted against the resolution authorizing war, a U.S. diplomat told the Yemeni ambassador, 'That will be the most expensive no vote you ever cast.' Three days later, the U.S. cut its entire aid budget to Yemen," the report notes."

www.progressive.org...

Saddam an "ally" in terrorism.........far the freakin' hell from that!
Saddam may not have been liked but bet that they had a common purpose...the destruction of the US. In such, they cooperated.

"Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?"
Link:
www.worldthreats.com...

"The Iraqi-Bin Laden Connection
Link:
www.geocities.com...

"STILL AT WAR: One of the men making the allegations was a lieutenant general and used to be one of the most senior officers in the Iraqi intelligence service"
Link:
www.taipeitimes.com...

Excerpt:
"American officials confirmed that they had met with the former lieutenant general in Turkey but said they had not learned all that much from him. They said it was unlikely that the training on the fuselage was linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings in the US.

The camp is overseen by the highest levels of Iraqi intelligence, and those who worked there were compartmentalized into distinct sections. On one side of the camp, these men said, young Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam, or Saddam's Fighters, were trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage.

The other side of the camp, separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire, was where the Islamic militants were trained. The militants spent a great deal of time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the 707. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time.

"We could see them train around the fuselage," said one of the defectors, a former Iraqi sergeant in the intelligence service who spent nearly five years at the camp. "We could see them practice taking over the plane.""

"Why we're going to liberate Iraq"
Link:
www.worldnetdaily.com...

"Source: www.intelmessages.org"

Excerpt:

"Sabah Khodada was a captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992. He worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak (see Khodada�s hand-drawn map of the camp), an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview, conducted in association with The New York Times on Oct. 14, 2001, Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001.

Question: After your service in the army, you worked for a secret part of the Iraqi government?

Answer: Some of it is not very secretive. But there�s another part, which has a lot to do with international terrorism and this kind of operation -- this is very secretive.

Question: Maybe you could tell me what this section is called, and who runs it. And what did it do?

Answer: It�s called the Division of Special Operations. ... This whole camp where their training is run by the Iraqi [security service]... The government organization [that] basically possesses or have control of the camp is the Iraqi intelligence. But different training people who come, they are headed or sent by different people in the Iraqi government.

Question: You say that this is a secret camp. But what was it like? Was it something you drove by and could see on the highway? Did you need special clearance to go there? How would you describe this place, this location?

Answer: If you�re driving on those farm roads, you could probably see the edges of the camp, but you wouldn�t realize this is a special camp. The camp is huge. And the locations for the training are far from anybody can see them from the outside. But even when we have visitors, even at the level of a minister, or even higher than a minister in the Iraqi government, they will have to drive around the camp or be driven in the camp inside very specific type of a vehicle. They will sit on the back seat, for example, of this vehicle and they would have ... in addition to the shaded windows, they will have to pull down curtains and they snap those curtains on the bottom, to make sure nobody can see anything outside this vehicle while they�re driven around.

Question: This is even government officials [who] are not allowed to see this kind of training?

Answer: Yes. At the very highest level, they cannot see this training.

Question: What kind of training went on, and who was being trained?

Answer: Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism.

Question: The people being trained were Iraqis in one group, and non-Iraqis, or foreign nationals, in another?

Answer: Non-Iraqis were trained separately from us. There were strict orders not to meet with them and not to talk to them. And even when they conduct their training, their training has to occur at times different from the times when we conduct the Iraqis our own training.

Question: So you were training Iraqis, Saddam�s fedayeen, members of the militia in IraQuestion: And someone else, other groups, were training the non-Iraqis?

Answer: They were special trainers or teachers from the Iraqi intelligence and al-Mukhabarat. And those same trainers or teachers will train the fedayeen, the Iraqi fedayeen, and also the same group of those teachers will train the non-Iraqis, foreigners who are in the camp. Personally, my profession is not this kind of training. My profession is to train people on infantry, typical infantry training, such as training on machine guns, pistols, hand grenades, rocket launchers on the shoulder and this kind of training. The special training that I�m talking about, such as the kidnapping and so, is conducted by those trainers who are not from the army; they are from ... al-Mukhabarat.And there was a person who is very famous. They call him Al-ShabAnswer: [ph]. This is Arabic word means "The Ghost," who was responsible for all the training, and those trainers or the teachers.

Answer: Why was he called the Ghost?

Answer: I don�t know exactly why he�s being called the Ghost. I came there and his name was the Ghost. But I know that he has conducted several terrorist operations in Lebanon and in other countries all over the world. And I know that he told us that he�s been requested to be arrested by the Interpol. This is probably why he called himself the Ghost.

Question: And the foreign nationals, the Arabs who are there, but who are not Iraqis -- what were they like? Were they Egyptians, Saudis? Do you know where they came from?

Answer: They look like they�re mostly from the Gulf, sometimes from areas close to Yemen, from their dark skin and short bodies. And they also are Muslims. ...

Question: Were they religious?

Answer: I don�t know exactly because I saw them seldom very [briefly]. But some of them has beards, long beards, which is an indication of being a religious Muslim. ...

Question: How long were you at this base, at this secret location?

Answer: Approximately six months.

Question: What was your job?

Answer: Administrational things, such as providing food, leave of absence permissions, general training. Ammunition ... providing them with ammunition when needed.

Question: How did you meet the Ghost? And what did he say?

Answer: I meet him several times a day. We usually meet in the morning when they go to training. We meet in the afternoon or the noontime when they come back from training. And several times, we�ll meet at the evening to drink teAnswer: And he will come, him and other teachers who always with him. They always talk about their operations proudly. For example, they were telling us about how they were able to penetrate the American forces during the 1990 Gulf War, where they went inside the Saudi Arabia territory, and they were able to bring exact coordinates of the Dharan airbase where it was hit by the Scud missiles and many Americans were killed.

Question: He is an Iraqi, the Ghost?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Did he explain what kind of training they were giving to the people who were there, especially to the non-Iraqis?

Answer: He tried not to talk about training as much as possible. I even, out of curiosity, asked him about those Arabs. Sometime he told me, "Don�t ask about them. This is something we�re not supposed to talk about."

Question: So the Ghost said, "I can�t talk to you about these Arabs who are training, or what we�re training them in."

Answer: Yes.

Question: So did you find out what kind of training was going on?

Answer: I don�t necessarily know what kind of training they do, but they were trained exactly at the same locations, and they were trained by the same teachers who were training ... [the fighters for] Saddam. Training includes hijacking and kidnapping of airplanes, trains, public buses, and planting explosives in cities, sabotaging villages, sabotaging houses, assassinations.

And the training also included how to prepare for suicidal operations. For example, they will train them how to belt themselves around with explosives, and jump in a place and explode themselves out as part of the suicidal training. I think the trainings of the Arabs was much harsher, and much stricter, than the training of the Iraqis.

Question: Why?

Answer: Because we know that Arabs, non-Iraqis who come to train in these kind of camps, are going to be sent to very dangerous and important operations outside Iraq; not inside IraQuestion: And they will be conducting very specific operations and dangerous operations in their own cities, or in their own countries, or other countries all over the world. Those Arabs are real volunteers. They come in small numbers, and they come with the intention to do some real suicidal operations. ...

There are other types of training, such as physical training, which we are all familiar with. But there�s another kind of special training, which is called "self-confidence training." ... For example, a bunch of the fedayeen will be taken in a helicopter. They will fly them away to an unknown area, and they will be asked to jump out of the plane without knowing if there is underneath them a desert or a house or there�s water. But they�re supposed to jump. So, they will jump.

Another type of self-confidence training would be, for example, they will pull the pin of a hand grenade, and they will throw the hand grenade from one to another until the last one will throw it in the air and it will explode in the air. Another type of self-confidence training would be, they will put a hand grenade in a pipe, and they will pull the pin and throw it in the pipe, and stand near the pipe saluting the hand grenade until it explodes.

Other type of self-confidence training would be holding a rocket launcher, which is an Army GB-7, and holding it vertically, then shooting the rocket vertically, which is very unusual, but the backfire of this hand grenade will hit the ground next to you. And if you don�t have self-confidence, you cannot do it. This is another kind of self-confidence training.

Question: And they trained people to hijack airplanes?

Answer: Yes.

Question: For what purpose?

Answer: ... It has been said openly in the media and even to us, from the highest command, that the purpose of establishing Saddam�s fighters is to attack American targets and American interests. This is known. There�s no doubt about it.

All this training is directed towards attacking American targets, and American interests. The training does not only include hijacking of planes and sabotage. ... Some other people were trained to do parachuting. Some other areas were training on how to penetrate enemy lines and get information from behind enemy lines. But it�s all for the general concept of hitting and attacking American targets and American interests.

Question: Who controlled this operation?

Answer: In terms of training, they will train in this special camp. But after this training, they will go in small groups. These small groups are directly connected with Saddam, or to Saddam�s son. For example, the Iraqi fighters, they will be spread all over the country. Occasionally those individual groups, very small groups, will be called for. They might encounter different kind of special training beyond this training on specific things. I�ll give you an example. They were calling for some of these groups to train intensively to learn English language, Persian language, Hebrew language, to be sent out to different places of the world to conduct such kind of ... different kind of operations. I suspect that the higher level of training, or the additional training they encounter, has a lot to do with what happened. And there�s a lot of similarity with what happened with New York and Washington on September 11.

Question: That was your reaction on September 11 -- that some of these people might be involved?

Answer: I assure you, this operation was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam. And I�m going to keep assuring the world this is what happened.

Osama bin Laden has no such capabilities. Why? Because this kind of attacks must be, and has to be, organized by a capable state, such as Iraq; a state where they can provide high level of training, and they can provide high level of intelligence to do such training.

How could Osama bin Laden -- who�s hiding in the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan in small caves and valleys -- train people and gather information and send people to do such high-level operation? We all know this is a high-level operation. This cannot be done by a person who does not even own a plane in Afghanistan, who cannot offer such training in Afghanistan. This is definitely done by a mastermind like Saddam. ...

Question: And the camp has a 707 that they train on?

Answer: Yes, there�s a real whole 707 plane, a whole real plane, standing in the middle of the training area in this camp.

Question: And they train people on how to get access to the cabin, to the crew?

Answer: Yes.

Question: And how to take over the plane using weapons? How?

Answer: They will get trained on how to get weapons inside the plane. If there is a security weakness that they know of, they will prefer to get weapons. But I am sure that, before the attack of September 11, those people made a very thorough study. And they learned that getting weapons into the plane might not be a very good ideAnswer: But in this camp, I saw them getting trained on this kind of situations where security will not allow you to get weapons into the plane -- then what you need to do is to use all available methods and very advanced terrorizing method.

These methods are used to terrorize the passengers and the crew of the plane. They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane. ... They are trained how to plant horror within the passengers by doing such actions. Even pens and pencils can be used for that purpose they were trained. They can do it, and they can overcome any plane because they are very well physically trained, and they are very strong, and they can do it. They can overtake a plane in a very efficient manner. ...

Question: Recently, here in Washington, you met with the FBI.

Answer: Yes.

Question: Did you tell them all of this?

Answer: Yes.

Question: What was their reaction? Did they say they already knew about this, or did they act like this was all new to them?

Answer: No, they do not know about it. But I told them everything I know, hoping that they can make it useful to them. I did that to protect the peace, not only for America; the peace in America and the peace of the world. People must know such training and such preparation for terror is happening in IraQuestion: Otherwise, it�s going to happen again and again. And it�s up to those people, meaning the FBI, to take action about it. ...

Question: Where is the camp located near? You could describe where it�s geographically located.

Answer: Yes. It�s southeast of Baghdad, about 25 kilometers from outside of Baghdad ... . I think the American government should have pictures of this camp from the air. I know for a fact that on January 1995, the United Nations came and took pictures of this camp. But they don�t know -- neither the United Nations nor the American government -- what�s going on inside this camp.

Question: But they can see the 707, or the train?

Answer: On a Friday, which is equivalent to Sunday here, it�s a holiday, was on January 1995. They came and the United Nations inspectors visited us. They went all the way inside the camp. They saw the plane, they saw the train, and they didn�t care anything about it, because the story was, they told ... his commanders told the United Nation, "This is a camp to train police, anti-riots police."

Answer: Anti-riot police?

Answer: Yes.

Question: And it really was a terrorist training camp?

Answer: Yes.

Question: I can hear someone saying to me, "This is one person claiming that this happened. How are we going to check?" How do we prove or, if you will, test what you have to say?

Answer: ... If you want to make sure about it, go back to pictures of your government, aerial pictures of your government, and go back all the documents that showed this camp is existing. And go back to my friend who is in Turkey, who could also tell you the same thing that I�m telling you now.

Addition to that, maybe you can find archives of Iraqi TV, showing on the Iraqi TV Saddam�s fighters ... putting bombs belted on their bodies, wearing masks. Maybe you should be able to get these archives and see something what�s shown openly on Iraqi TV.

Question: The training of Saddam�s militia was shown on Iraqi TV?

Answer: They will show some of their training. For example, they will show clips of their jumping from the helicopters. But there was also parades, military parades, and they will show off Saddam wearing this explosive around themselves with their masks on. ... I even heard it on Arabic BBC when they were saying, when they were describing them, not as Saddam�s fighters -- they describe them as "the terrorists of Saddam" -- wearing explosives and looking like crocodiles, black crocodiles. I�m very surprised that you, in America, don�t know about these things.

Question: To you, then, the likely suspect here is the government of Iraq and Saddam in all this terrorism. And yet we�re looking the wrong way?

Answer: I assure you, and I�m going to keep assuring you, that all these things are obvious. I don�t know why you don�t see it. When we were in Iraq, Saddam said all the time, even during the Gulf War, "We will take our revenge at the proper time." He kept telling the people, "Get ready for our revenge."

We saw people getting trained to hijack airplanes, to put explosives. How could anybody not think this is not done by Saddam? Even the grouping, those groups were divided into five to six people in the group. How about the training on planes? Some of these groups were taken and trained to drive airplanes at the School of Aviation, northern of Baghdad ... .Everything coincides with what�s happening.

In addition to that, we heard in the news about meeting some of those hijackers with the Iraqi intelligence people in Prague, and even getting money to get trained on flying airplanes in the United States from the Iraqi intelligence.

Question: [Did you hear that some of those training at the camp were working for] Osama bin Laden?

Answer: Nobody came and told us, "This is Al Qaeda people," but I know there were some Saudis, there were some Afghanis. There were some other people from other countries getting trained. They didn�t tell us they were part of Al Qaeda; there�s no such thing. ... In this camp, we know that those are Saudis, or Arabs are getting trained. Nobody will talk about Al Qaeda or any other organization.

Question: They�re just people.

Answer: Yes.

Question: Who clearly wanted to ... or were interested in doing terror, becoming terrorists?

Answer: This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world. ...

Question: In the conversations that you had with the Ghost and with others, was it clear that they were involved in international terrorism -- that that�s what the object here was, to send people out to do missions?

Answer: They all say it. On January 1, 1996, we all met with Saddam personally. And he told us we have to take revenge from AmericAnswer: Our duty is to attack and hit American targets in the Gulf, in the Arab world, and all over the world. He said that openly. When you volunteer to become Saddam�s fighter ... they will tell you the purpose of your volunteer[ing] is to attack American targets and American interests, not only in Iraq, not only in the Gulf, [but] all over the world, including Europe and AmericAnswer: That�s how Saddam was able to attract those Arabs and Muslims who came to train, because that�s exactly what they want to do.

Question: I just wanted to understand that in the camp itself, when you were sitting down with the trainers and they were describing what they were doing, did they say they were getting people ready for missions in Europe, in the United States?

Answer: Those people who are in the camp ... do the training, and the rest will be conducted by the higher command. For example, after you finish the training, there will be groups of five to six people, sometimes four people, but most likely between five to six people, not exceeding six. Maximum number will be six people.

Or they would be able, for example, to call for a specific group for a specific purpose to Baghdad. And nobody knows what this group is going to do. They will go to Baghdad. They will be briefed on what they�re going to do, or trained about something specific. They will be sent, and we don�t know where they go, and they come back to us. That�s how it works. It�s not like the trainers in the camp know what�s going on. The operations are headed directly from the top.

But when someone would hear about an incident, like there was an attack on the U.S. military in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia in 1995, or the Khobar barracks was blown up in Saudi Arabia, you didn�t hear anyone say, "We took part in that," or, "That was one of ours," during this period of time.

They don�t talk specifics. The only specific thing they talked about in front of me is ... location coordinates during the Gulf War. But I hear them talking about operations in Saudi Arabia, operations other places, in Lebanon. But I never hear the details from them.

Question: Any evidence of biological or chemical warfare training?

Answer: This type of training, if it happened, it occurred outside our camp...

Question: Can you explain what�s on this map that you drew?

Answer: The surrounding area around this camp is an area for fitness training. This is a Boeing 707, where they trained how to hijack it. And also they were trained how to resist or stop hijacking operation.

Next to it, there�s a double-decker bus in which they could do the same thing -- training, hijacking. And this is next to it, there is a village, built houses like a model of a village. They will train how to plant TNT and explosives. And very next to it, there�s a single house, where they�re trained how to enter it, or sabotage it or explode it.

The railway track is where the train is. That�s where they would have the same training for hijacking of a train. I would like to also tell you that this is a village where farmers would live. Those farmers, by the way, are employees by the Iraqi intelligence -- all of them. They look like normal families, but they are not as you think. They are employees of the Iraqi intelligence to put cover and protection to the base. ...

Question: What�s the method that�s taught, in terms of hijacking? It�s not just taking on weapons, is it?

Answer: Training will include the way they would sit in the plane, how they enter the plane, provided they got the right documents from the top levels of Iraqi Intelligence, such as passports. ... They will, for example, sit in two�s, and they will assign who will sit to the right of the other guy, and who will sit to the other side. Two will sit in the front, two will sit in the back, and two will sit, for example, in the middle. They are trained to jump all at one time, and make a declaration that "We are going to take over the plane. And nobody [move], don�t move, don�t make any moves."

They will probably use a pencil or a pen, or even sunglasses or prescription glasses. Somebody will hold the crew members of the plane from their chins upward tightly, and you will pull it on his neck. He will think you are going to slaughter him and kill him. Including in this training is terrorizing by making very, very loud noises and screaming all over the plane. That will take over the planned horror, and will terrorize the plane, including the crew.

Question: Why are you coming forward with this information?

Answer: I�d like to tell the whole world, and American people, that I wish peace ... in this world. And I want to tell you that what you have seen is very little from what we have seen done to the Iraqi people by Saddam. If somebody use chemical weapons such as in Halabja on his own people, what do you think he would do to different parts of the world? I call for the world and the Iraqi people and every Muslim not to believe the propaganda by Saddam and bin Laden. Those are murderers, and they have nothing to do with Islam.

Here in the United States, as a Muslim, I was never been harassed or treated badly, and nobody stopped me from my prayers, or stopped me from being a Muslim. So what Saddam is doing is exactly what�s against Islam, against the world, and against peace of the world."



Just for starters........

regards
seekerof

Seekerof,

It is known that the fuselage of the 707 did exist. (90% certain..)

But there is no reabile info for what it was used..

For all i know it was used by Iraqi CT TEAMS to practice countering of plane hijacks.

Think about it..

First off let ME thank YOU for your service to your country at your life's risk, which is MORE than ANY of the detractors here have EVER done.

Second, let me state unequivically that you are NOT alone on this site with your views, many won't agree totally, but that's human nature, many will attempt to sway you with BULL# Propaganda, and many TRULY beleive what they espouse because they are totally UNEDUCATED beyond primary education offered in public schools and have been sold a bill of goods that makes them feel better about themselves (It's everybody else's fault they are in the shape they are in)...

Stand tall and be PROUD. You did what was asked of you with integrity and valour.

PEACE...
m...

[Edited on 9-29-2003 by Springer]

Just because North Korea, Saddam, Bin Laden and even *myself* don't like the policies of the government of the United States of America doesn't mean we have any "ties" whatsoever to each other. Saddam-Bin Laden connection is bogus.

I beleive the President of the MOST POWERFUL, JUST and FREE Nation on Earth told you what the "Connection is" Either you satnd AGAINST terrorism or YOU get KILLED...

M...

Originally posted by Springer
I beleive the President of the MOST POWERFUL, JUST and FREE Nation on Earth told you what the "Connection is" Either you satnd AGAINST terrorism or YOU get KILLED...

M...

Apparently you don't keep up on your current events sir. Seems the shrub changed his mind (go figure).

"US President George Bush has said there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks. "

news.bbc.co.uk...

LOST, i would first like to commend you for serving your country. Do not bend to the will of these 13 year old overweight anti-americans.

I, Sir, am totally CURRENT, YOU however seem to CONFUSE totally SEPERATE issues with eachother (which explains MUCH of you views), what does THAT have to do with what I said?!

NOTHING...

You don't stand against terrorism YOU DIE. Simple.

Originally posted by goregrinder
LOST, i would first like to commend you for serving your country. Do not bend to the will of these 13 year old overweight anti-americans.

Man, you need to click the link on the top that says deny ignorance.

'our' motto, remember.

also, i suggest that you read the ats rules.

Originally posted by Springer
I, Sir, am totally CURRENT, YOU however seem to CONFUSE totally SEPERATE issues with eachother (which explains MUCH of you views), what does THAT have to do with what I said?!

NOTHING...

You don't stand against terrorism YOU DIE. Simple.

Thanks for clearing that up. However, attacking countries will only foster more terrorism and hatred against America. Violence will only breed more violence. Can't you see it? More people hate America now than ever before.

LOL, please dont cry uninen!!!

Originally posted by goregrinder
LOL, please dont cry uninen!!!

GG,

Yep, this was meaningful post

DENY IGNORANCE.

Im denying from you this small piece of ignorance right now: Uninen only means in english: Sleepy.

Springer,

# around with the people, and they will turn into terrorists.. and kill you.

Play nicely and by the book, everybody will like 'you'.

What you fail to recognize is that these terrorists react to any situation they deem unacceptable with violence. Your double standards cover a vast area.

Originally posted by goregrinder
What you fail to recognize is that these terrorists react to any situation they deem unacceptable with violence. Your double standards cover a vast area.

Just like the US gov.

With Black mail, unjust demands and violence.

Please tell why are you any better than 'OBL'. (if there even is/was one 'OBL'.. now or ever..)

Because i'm not a terrorist/murderer. you are however on even keel with him, seeing how you idolize terrorism and all.

Actually, I believe Bush has some WMD's in Iraq under extremem military guard.

I agree with you on that Tass.

Originally posted by goregrinder
Because i'm not a terrorist/murderer. you are however on even keel with him, seeing how you idolize terrorism and all.

I dont idolize.

My idoles are dead.

And US gov. is a terrorist and a murderer.

And i do not support any 'rebel group' whos cause is unjust.

Like the Chechens, Kurds, Kosovon Albanians (if they need to have a nation, they can move to the Albania.) or the Columbian (Columbian whatever.. with drugs they trade.. so they are drug dealers for me.)

Of These for examble i dont like.

So, let me get this straight. What the Palestinians and mid-eastern jihadees are doing is acceptable, but because THE CHECHYNS AND KURDS FOUGHT AGAINST RUSSIA, YOU HATE THEM?!?! You are the definition of a hypocrite! Jeez!

Originally posted by goregrinder
So, let me get this straight. What the Palestinians and mid-eastern jihadees are doing is acceptable, but because THE CHECHYNS AND KURDS FOUGHT AGAINST RUSSIA, YOU HATE THEM?!?! You are the definition of a hypocrite! Jeez!

No, after the first war 1994-96 Chechens turned into extremists..

And the Kurds dont fight 'Russia'. Kurds infact mostly fight against Turkey, Turkey US NATO allie.