Bush signs Patriot Act extension

On Friday President Bush signed a bill that would extend the Patriot Act for a few weeks, going beyond tomorrows expiration date. The Patriot Act anti-terrorism laws are now set to expire(unless reauthorized) on February 3rd.



Either way, this is something that someone is going to love or hate. I am of the opinion that the Patriot Act, however flawed, does need to be overhauled. More work is needed to get the right provisions either removed or added.

[edit on 9-1-2006 by asala]

one word about this bunk.

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[edit on 3-1-2006 by intrepid]

So, is he going to extend it monthly for as long as he wants?
Or is there going to be a point where he tells congress, I say its in, so its in"
Or is something going to happen in the next 4 weeks that will fool the people into accepting the Patriot act with open arms, just like 9/11 did?

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[edit on 3-1-2006 by intrepid]

If something happens conviniently in that period of time I am packing my bags and leaving. That looks too damn convienient. 9/11 was scetchy but I can go with that, I can deal with the fake wmd's, but there is no way in hell I will stand for that.

The ironic thing is that even those who voted against renewal agree that the PA is necessary. Everybody except Feingold, but that was to be expected.

Fears of a gov't-manufactured crisis (how many times was that predicted to happen since 9/11 ? ) are unfounded, imo. We're just running out of potential conspirees to staff all these cabals.

Instead, the discussion should focus on the specific objections to the renewal, such as the alleged abuse of library records, and other canards being bandied about. At least that's where I intend to concentrate.

Bingo, Matrix, Bingo. Did you know, the Patriot Act was written 2 years BEFORE 9/11, and was just sitting, waiting to be released on the public? 9/11 was the pretext, world-government is the plan.

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!! thats a great quote by a great man.

by the way what man was that I need to put it in my sig
Also if another thing happens to the us convieniently the only war I will supportLY in control here

The President only authorized the extension because Congress had voted yes to the 6 week extension. The President doesnt have the power to make laws himself. First Congress votes yes on a law then when the President signs it, it becomes law.

After the 6 weeks it will be up to Congress on wether there will be a new one.

You can read the new Patriot Act they are voting on at THOMAS. You should search for the Patriot Act Reauthorization Act under bills. It is basically the same thing but a few things I do not approve of.

For instance they want the power to authorize eavesdropping on people who "may" posses explosives or biological agents. That sounds reasonable right? Currently the law says they can only eavesdrop on people who "may" be using them unlawfully. They want more eavesdropping powers to perhaps spy on everyone who potentially could posses explosives or biological agents.

It could be a good thing, but the saying goes "Give the government an inch and they will take a mile". It could be used to eavesdrop on ordinary citizens just because they have the technical education to produce explosives or biological agents, regardless if they have illegal intent.

The law is fine how it is and I just think they are trying to induce a police state so they can have more reasons for probable cause (such that you have a degree in chemistry and may use that knowledge to become a terrorist so you have to be monitored).

That is what I think they are going for.

Remember the original Patriot Act labeled domestic terrorists as "defenders of the Constitution". These people cant be all that honorable.

Frankly if your upset about the Patriot act you should have been packing before they had the 2nd one through. Maybe nothing will happen as far as events go. They might just pass it and not tell anyone like the first time round. Or in the midst of some shfiel over something mundane they will slip it by as others have said. We will never know and maybe we will know when its to late. I do not trust them AT ALL and that is why I am already looking into realestate in 3rd world nations that have more human rights than this one (yeah a 3rd world nation has more rights than the great ol USA as far as I am concerned).
They may just throw the patriot act around to get publicity on it while they pass other things then let the patriot act flop because better "laws" or acts have been passed.

Originally posted by Vekar
Frankly if your upset about the Patriot act you should have been packing before they had the 2nd one through. Maybe nothing will happen as far as events go. They might just pass it and not tell anyone like the first time round. Or in the midst of some shfiel over something mundane they will slip it by as others have said. We will never know and maybe we will know when its to late. I do not trust them AT ALL and that is why I am already looking into realestate in 3rd world nations that have more human rights than this one (yeah a 3rd world nation has more rights than the great ol USA as far as I am concerned).
They may just throw the patriot act around to get publicity on it while they pass other things then let the patriot act flop because better "laws" or acts have been passed.

Im with you, I think Russia looks like the best alternative. Only because they maintain a semi superpower status and they are more socialist leaning. Which means it would be easier for me to go there and get a job and have a roof over my head.

South America, in the Bolivia region looks nice because they have alot of natural resources and is fairly secluded. And my education and knowledge might go a ways in improving their military. I do know a bit of chemistry knowledge and could probably get a nuclear reactor going or some rudimentary rockets and missiles developed fairly quickly.

Russia would probably be more favorable as far as continuiing education and getting a job.

The Middle East is not really an option because they are religious nutcases, they wouldnt take kindly to me (A white person who was raised a christian and then abandonded religion). I would probably be beheaded. And the US would probably assasinate me beforehand.

China is out of the question. The same with India. Too crowded, and the governments are repulsive.

Russia or South America,

I would never live in Europe so that is out of the question too.

[edit on 9-1-2006 by ImplementOfWar]

I would go russia but I don't speak russian

Nyet gavoreet po Rooskie?

*listens for the sounds of goose-stepping in the streets*.....

Well hey if you dont like it here its your right to leave I guess. I dont know what you still mean by your losing your rights. Its ridiculous. I have asked this questoin in many different forums and no one has yet to answer me. What rights have you personlly lost or have been infringed upon? Tell me, no one else seems to be able to. Maybe someone can finally answer my call.

Originally posted by ludaChris
Well hey if you dont like it here its your right to leave I guess. I dont know what you still mean by your losing your rights. Its ridiculous. I have asked this questoin in many different forums and no one has yet to answer me. What rights have you personlly lost or have been infringed upon? Tell me, no one else seems to be able to. Maybe someone can finally answer my call.

I have lost my right to keep and bear arms.

I have lost my freedom of speech.

I have lost my right to unreasonable search and seizure.

I have lost my right to freedom of the press.

Originally posted by ImplementOfWar

Originally posted by ludaChris
Well hey if you dont like it here its your right to leave I guess. I dont know what you still mean by your losing your rights. Its ridiculous. I have asked this questoin in many different forums and no one has yet to answer me. What rights have you personlly lost or have been infringed upon? Tell me, no one else seems to be able to. Maybe someone can finally answer my call.

I have lost my right to keep and bear arms.

I have lost my freedom of speech.

I have lost my right to unreasonable search and seizure.

I have lost my right to freedom of the press.

Really, hmmmm, I havent lost any of mine.

I just got my gun permit and am now in the market for a new shotgun. Ive had no problems. When did you lose youre right to free speech, youre exercising it here right? How has your right from unreasonable search and seizure been infringed? When did we lose our free press, there are columns in the Charlotte newspaper almost daily that speak against Bush policy. I'm not connecting the dots in your logic here friend.

[edit on 3/10/2006 by ludaChris]

Originally posted by ludaChris

Originally posted by ImplementOfWar

Originally posted by ludaChris
Well hey if you dont like it here its your right to leave I guess. I dont know what you still mean by your losing your rights. Its ridiculous. I have asked this questoin in many different forums and no one has yet to answer me. What rights have you personlly lost or have been infringed upon? Tell me, no one else seems to be able to. Maybe someone can finally answer my call.

I have lost my right to keep and bear arms.

I have lost my freedom of speech.

I have lost my right to unreasonable search and seizure.

I have lost my right to freedom of the press.

Really, hmmmm, I havent lost any of mine.

I just got my gun permit and am now in the market for a new shotgun. Ive had no problems. When did you lose youre right to free speech, youre exercising it here right? How has your right from unreasonable search and seizure been infringed? When did we lose our free press, there are columns in the Charlotte newspaper almost daily that speak against Bush policy. I'm not connecting the dots in your logic here friend.

[edit on 3/10/2006 by ludaChris]

You cannot posses or manufacture automatic weapons, explosives, or other implements of war. Violation of the 2nd Amendment.

You cannot promote rebellion. Violation of the 1st amendment.

The government authorizes eavesdropping on US citizens without warrants. VIolation of the 5th Amendment.

You cannot print or publish information that incites rebellion or the overthrow of the government. A violation of the 1st Amendment.


So yes you have sacrificed your constituional rights in the last 100 years. Plus there are State laws and numerous other federal laws that violate one the above mentioned constitutional rights that I did'nt mention. All of the infringements of our rights have to do with preserving the power of the government, not necessarily our own personal safety.