I have a question regarding werewolves

Originally posted by Werewolf
Never heard any of this "daylight guardian" theory. Where did you hear that?

Watch the movie "Underworld". That is where they get this idea from. That is also (if I'm correct) where the term "lycan" comes from. These are fictional Hollywood movies.....i.e. not real life.

Movies tend to twist alot of legends around. Don't go by movies. Go by old texts. Their the most accurate info on Werewolves, Vampires, and the like available.

[edit on 18-1-2006 by Werewolf]

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You know it wouldnt be a myth or in any books or on any web sites, if at some point in history it was real. In order for it to be a myth someone had to belive in it at some point and seen it. I personaly belive they are real.

On Lycans of the sub-species Homo-Exrien of the species Homo-Sapien

Similar to my belief in Dragons, “Vampires”, and other mythical creatures, my belief in “Werewolves” stems from how widespread, ancient, and similar their myths have been. I have read many a book about the “shape-shifters” but have only gathered bits of practical information. I have always believed in their current existence but not until this last year, did I have any evidence or practical explanation. The answer is adrenaline. The following is a set of responses to the most commonly made points that I’ve heard.

“Werewolves” shape-shifting
I refer to the myth of the very real Lycan, as “Werewolves”. Most of the myths we hear and read about concerning Lycans have at least a few things in common; the victims are vulnerable somehow, either as a person, or in their situation, and the attacks are usually in small villages, or at least in places where mob thinking is not hard to gain. With saying this, I do not believe Lycans physically change form. They do however change posture, muscular tenseness, agility, strength, facial expression, and mental state.
The story of a Lycan’s attack on a person would mostly likely return to the people by a person who was there and therefore was shocked. It is easy to imagine that a person with such a different demeanor, threatening advances, and slightly strengthened abilities would change the way a common person looked at them. The shape-shifting part of the myths might also come from the Lycans themselves describing their change in perception and ability.

Growing hair, teeth, and nails
Adrenaline easily explains longer hair, teeth, and nails. Adrenaline restricts blood vessels and increases blood flow to vital parts of the body. Adrenaline wears the body by increasing growth rate. Teeth would also look larger because of the Lycan bearing his or her teeth. A Lycan would also be more likely to seclude themselves, especially after having attacked another human, a point strengthened by the myths; giving them no reason to cut their hair or nails.

Relation to Lycanthropy
Lycanthropy is the disease from which the term Lycan was coined. Lycanthropy is a mental condition where a person believes to change into the form of an animal. This disease carries no significant connection to true Lycanism, but has been reinforced by myths of Lycans. The only resemblance is both result in a similar change in demeanor and instinctual thought.

Weaknesses, silver
I have no explanation for this besides maybe an allergic reaction to silver possibly enhanced by excess adrenaline, an unknown lethal reaction of adrenaline filled blood to silver, or simply the coincidence of a person that killed a Lycan having killed he or she with something silver.

Turning into one by a bite
I also have no concrete explanation for this point. My best estimation is that the mixture of the victim’s fear-induced adrenaline, the pain of being bitten, the fact that it was by a “crazed” person, and later in history, the reliance on what the myths say about being bitten by one, either “break” the peripheral barrier to the part of the brain that controls adrenaline, or there is enough stress to craze the victim, who then acts like his or her assailant.

Extraordinary strength
Adrenaline gives humans added strength, agility, and speed, and nor-adrenaline gives human increased hearing, vision, smelling, and mental acuity. It also takes away from the frontal lobe, used for reasoning and understanding, another reinforcing point.

Reaction to a full moon
I believe this part of the myths is a remnant of the possible Lycans groups or clans. I think they simply decided to meet on the full moons for hunts. This could also have entered the myths through many early-European religions that included the phases of the moon as key markers to their religion. Many other cultures in the world have used the moon for time and planning. Another explanation is that...

On Lycans of the sub-species Homo-Exrien of the species Homo-Sapien

Similar to my belief in Dragons, “Vampires”, and other mythical creatures, my belief in “Werewolves” stems from how widespread, ancient, and similar their myths have been. I have read many a book about the “shape-shifters” but have only gathered bits of practical information. I have always believed in their current existence but not until this last year, did I have any evidence or practical explanation. The answer is adrenaline. The following is a set of responses to the most commonly made points that I’ve heard.

“Werewolves” shape-shifting
I refer to the myth of the very real Lycan, as “Werewolves”. Most of the myths we hear and read about concerning Lycans have at least a few things in common; the victims are vulnerable somehow, either as a person, or in their situation, and the attacks are usually in small villages, or at least in places where mob thinking is not hard to gain. With saying this, I do not believe Lycans physically change form. They do however change posture, muscular tenseness, agility, strength, facial expression, and mental state.
The story of a Lycan’s attack on a person would mostly likely return to the people by a person who was there and therefore was shocked. It is easy to imagine that a person with such a different demeanor, threatening advances, and slightly strengthened abilities would change the way a common person looked at them. The shape-shifting part of the myths might also come from the Lycans themselves describing their change in perception and ability.

Growing hair, teeth, and nails
Adrenaline easily explains longer hair, teeth, and nails. Adrenaline restricts blood vessels and increases blood flow to vital parts of the body. Adrenaline wears the body by increasing growth rate. Teeth would also look larger because of the Lycan bearing his or her teeth. A Lycan would also be more likely to seclude themselves, especially after having attacked another human, a point strengthened by the myths; giving them no reason to cut their hair or nails.

Relation to Lycanthropy
Lycanthropy is the disease from which the term Lycan was coined. Lycanthropy is a mental condition where a person believes to change into the form of an animal. This disease carries no significant connection to true Lycanism, but has been reinforced by myths of Lycans. The only resemblance is both result in a similar change in demeanor and instinctual thought.

Weaknesses, silver
I have no explanation for this besides maybe an allergic reaction to silver possibly enhanced by excess adrenaline, an unknown lethal reaction of adrenaline filled blood to silver, or simply the coincidence of a person that killed a Lycan having killed he or she with something silver.

Turning into one by a bite
I also have no concrete explanation for this point. My best estimation is that the mixture of the victim’s fear-induced adrenaline, the pain of being bitten, the fact that it was by a “crazed” person, and later in history, the reliance on what the myths say about being bitten by one, either “break” the peripheral barrier to the part of the brain that controls adrenaline, or there is enough stress to craze the victim, who then acts like his or her assailant.

Extraordinary strength
Adrenaline gives humans added strength, agility, and speed, and nor-adrenaline gives human increased hearing, vision, smelling, and mental acuity. It also takes away from the frontal lobe, used for reasoning and understanding, another reinforcing point.

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Reaction to a full moon
I believe this part of the myths is a remnant of the possible Lycans groups or clans. I think they simply decided to meet on the full moons for hunts. This could also have entered the myths through many early-European religions that included the phases of the moon as key markers to their religion. Many other cultures in the world have used the moon for time and planning. Another explanation is that Lycans react to change in light instinctually. Looking at such a bright object in the dark night sky may very easily trigger the flow of adrenaline.

Relationship to “Vampires”
Like Lycans for “Werewolves”, I refer to the real-life being which mythological name is “Vampire” as a Fyrian, after the disease Porphyria. Fyrians differ from Lycans in the way that their excess adrenaline is used. While Lycans use it in a short amount of time, Fyrians use it gradually, meaning they are not as strong but always have some additional strength. This creates many behavioral differences between the two. Quickly, I will address the biggest point concerning vampires that they drink blood. The most logical reason for this is because since they are constantly using their adrenaline store more than the average human, they would search to gain more from others. Adrenaline is carried in the blood and this would also explain why Fyrians intentionally scare their pray. This also explains why they would prefer getting blood from a Lycan who, when frightened would have much more adrenaline. Also, a Fyrian’s skin is always cold because adrenaline defers blood being sent to the skin and extremities.

Time as a Lycan
Because of the adrenaline glands, a Lycan could not be a Lycan for very long, even with the glands producing more in excess (the gland’s increased stamina), but a Lycan can be on the verge of creating more adrenaline for a longer time, also letting the glands rest. (The adrenaline glands do not store adrenaline; they only create it when necessary.)

Explanation
I believe Lycans and Fyrians to be the behavioral portrayal of the sub-species, Homo-Extrien of the species Homo-Sapiens. They are not as different as we think, but they are different. The myths can be explained logically, and logic has evidence. I don’t know if anyone can become a Homo-Extrien, but I do know that anyone can control their adrenaline to the point that they at least resemble them.


I hope this helps this discussion. Someone asked earlier what you would do if someone told you they were a Lycan. I would like to hear some answers to that. To end this lengthy post, I'd like to leave you with something that I can actually prove/display; over the past year I have learned to control the rate of adrenaline secretion into my blood stream. The affects are pupil dilation, cold skin, increased strength, increased heart rate, and blood pressure.

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you have some excelent points but what about the "allergic reaction to silver" personaly i believe i am a lycan and silver just makes me cold. but i prefer the term werewolf because its the name that "we" were called first

I have no explanation for silver but I find it's interesting that both Lycan and Fyrian were supposedly killed by stakes, one of wood, the other of silver. This point could back up the belief that the make-up of the item has less to do with it than the item itself, a stake. You have to realize that just because many myths and mythical authorities include silver as a key ingredient in killing a Lycan, it doesn't mean every Lycan ever mentioned died that way. I would like to do more research, though, on possible harmful reactions between high amounts of adrenaline and silver.
I prefer the term Lycan because the term "werewolf" might have been first given to us, but it was presented under misunderstood pretenses. The prefix "were-" also means a physical metamorphosis, which is not supported. Lastly, in today's time, the term "werewolf" automatically has the connotation of being a bad, mythical, and unrealistic thing. I find it much easier to describe my propositions with the term Lycan.

again you blow my mind i never thought of it that way, and yes i do know most things people say are myths im the kind of girl who likes opinions

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There are many types of Porphyria, and although those symptoms arew true it has nothing to due with werewolves. Porphyria was actually the main cause of the vampirism myth. As for the changing of shape and the loos and gain of mass. If one was to change there shape couldn't the "extra mass" just increase the size of the original animal. Example instead of becoming a 130 pound wolf you become a 150 pound wolf, a slightly bigger varient. As for adrenaline that temporary boost of energy is mean for fight or flight responses. So in theory adrenaline is used for quick energy which in this case would be needed for the phase change.

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It would be quite interesting to say ware-wolves exsist, but to believe in its exsistance with out first seeing proof is a rather hard concept to grasp.

So how do you start your research? With religion, With folklore? Can it even be a true statement, that most legends and myths originate from truth?

In the bible, Leviticus 26:6 God talks about Evil Beast, and in the same chapter verse 26 talks about Wild Beast. So with that being said, it should be safe to say there is an obvious distinction between evil and wild beast.
Psalm 50:11, God says that WILD BEAST are his.Christains are told to believe there can be no evil in God and that evil only comes from one place. Satan.

So then if you go to the folklore versions, Warewolves are protectors of vampires... there savage nature is used to protect... so back to religion aspect..

There are several scriptures that could be about evil beast.
(if you are not a spritual person, researching religion is not being "christian" and it doesnt prove or disprove anything)
Titus 1:12-13 "the Cretians are always liars, EVIL beast,slow bellies"
Ezekiel 8:9-10 references hyrogliph type drawings of creeping forms and abominable beast.

And if you really want to get deep, The bible even talks about GIANTS...

You said that, lycanthrope is old latin? How old?
Do they were exist at all?