David Icke...for real???

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
you must remember back just a hundred years ago the mountain gorilla was looked upon as you might look upon shapeshifting lizards...im sure you must believe in something that you cant hold out for all to see???
dont you???

That went the same for the Panda and a few other thought to be non-existing creatures. But scientists of the time had the right to doubt as there was no proof for them to examine.

I am pretty open minded, but shape shifting lizards running things?

And just like the scientist's who did not believe in the gorilla or the panda, I will not be satisfied until I see one or have irrefutable proof.

No disrespect to Icke or anyone else, but I still want proof.

i will still ask you this then ...is there anything that you believe in that you cannot hold out in front of me with irrefutable proof and say here it is ....anything???
just one thing???
i bet you have probably got a couple.

I first read They Cast no Shadows, by Brian Desborough. It was a thoroughly enlightening, but poorly written book. I kept having to pick my jaw off the floor and/or think, NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE. This author spent 30 yearscoming to his conclusion and appears to be a scientist, and sane. His take on the Annuniki (sp?) is quite believable.
Has anyone else read him??????
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I found Mr Icke on Amazon, and got his book the Biggest Secret it was more well-written (!) and he pretty much agreed with Mr Desborough.

I'm pretty much a believer...for the most part. I fought his thoughts on religion, but they made tooooo much sense to deny. I struggle with the hollow earth, holes in the Pole theories, but who knows?

He makes an interesting comment on Rhodes scholars: they are all programmed to fulfill certain roles---Clinton is a Rhodes scholar.

As far as the reptilians, well why not? We are pretty certain of ET presense here, no?? And, have you looked into Condi Rice's eyes lately? George Bush Sr? Hillary Clinton?

I wouldn't be here if it weren't for him!

A final thought or two:
The TRUTH is stranger than fiction.
You just can't make all this stuff up!!!


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David Icke may or may not be a con artist but it is a well know fact that he has suffered a few episodes which could be classified as psychotic breaks with reality, one of these actually occured while he was on air (I don't mean during his career but actually on the air) when he declared himself the reincarnation of Jesus.

David also likes the fame, the money and the power. Understand that most people involved in this area are looking for answers and some are just looking to belong.

Well what's more exciting than being on the inside of an intergalactic shape shifting war?

People like Icke, Hoagland and even Peter Moon have their own agendas and should not be taken at face value.

THey like the attention, they like their little cults.

David makes more money than most, I know that recently Hoagland has been downgraded to handouts and the freebie committee has worn think

Peter of course makes good money on his books.

There is nothing wrong with turning a buck, I like turning bucks but I don't do it under the guise of saving the universe.

The illuminated freemason rosicrusion zionist reptiles are fine, but nothing is as good as the original so if you want to see where Icke got most of his mythology rent John Carpenter's "They Live" or the mid 80's mini-series "V".

If you can't find "They Live" watch the South Park episode entitled "Cripple Fight" wich is a shot for shot re-enactment of the major fight scene in "They Live"

Besides, I wouldn't worry too much about the reptiles, I think we've all seen what Captain Kirk did to the Gorn on Star Trek.

Spiderj

"Is there anything around you to construct a rudimentary laithe?"

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
i will still ask you this then ...is there anything that you believe in that you cannot hold out in front of me with irrefutable proof and say here it is ....anything???
just one thing???
i bet you have probably got a couple.

There is nothing I can think of right now outside of a very weak belief in god.... I know what you are going to say ...see! Doesn't matter, I am not interested in proving anything when it comes to spirituality. I will learn that answer when I die. In other words, I am going to have to deal with either possible reality of death wether I want to or not. Death is inevitable. Shape-shifting reptilians rigging elections for the NWO, AFAIK are not.

The difference is, I am not concerned if other people believe me. I really
don't care. I am not out to convince anyone of anything.

I am open to and enjoy letting my mind wander to imagine, ET life, afterlife, the paranormal,etc,..... but that still does not constitute proof.

I don't and won't believe in shape shift Bush reptilians....unless it is proven.

You can, it's your choice just as it is my choice is not to believe.

if you wanted to get the word out to people about global conspiracy the easiest way to do it would be to write a book ...if people find it worth reading then of course the end result is money ...no way around it ...
i find icke to be honest not dishonest...if he wanted to make money on something like this he could write something like the davince code without having to decieve anyone...if you read his new book he explains he never said he was jesus ....could you get me a recording of that live on air broad cast of him saying that ???...i must also say he is quite lucid and has done a lot of work for someone who is bonkers and his work is ratified as far as the global elite gos by many other researchers.
i would also like you to look up the word cult and its meaning pertaining to groups like the david koresh group or heavens gate...Icke in no way reflects anything to do with cults ...you have applied that word to him unjustly
why hasnt anyone who he has called a mass muredering ritual sacrificing pedophile stepped forward to sue him for slander????
why have they constantly tried to shut down his website???
why is he banned from certain speaking events ???
because he is hitting upon truths that some dont want revealed.......
if you look at some of the greatest science fiction writers of the past some of there science fiction is now science fact...so that shoots your They live scenario down the drain ...i must say thats a good movie thogh and i have seen V but Icke gos way beyond theese movies just to say that he ripped them off is ridiculous and one would suspect a poor attempt to convince others that Icke is bonkers

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regarding this whole reptilian aspect of icke, well of course the lid would be sealed to the public, as supposedly the illuminati and nwo are under the direction of the reptilians. question is, are you under the control of the reptilians?

Originally posted by cloud
regarding this whole reptilian aspect of icke, well of course the lid would be sealed to the public, as supposedly the illuminati and nwo are under the direction of the reptilians. question is, are you under the control of the reptilians?

Oh, yeah, I think some who post here are definitely mind-controlled. You all know who you are...

well its nice to know you dont believe in anything you cant see or have scientific proof of face first.
i spose youll have to go on eating your steaks and driving your car and believing in all that your five senses can tell you is real until you meet your belief weakend god.
given time i would bet the house your attitude will change.
i have experienced things in yoga that modern science cant explain so its easier for me to have an open mind when it comes to the unexplained

Oh, yeah, I think some who post here are definitely mind-controlled. You all know who you are...

I posted this in another thread, but I think it has relevance here.
I think we have entered this realm:
LGM




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Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
well its nice to know you dont believe in anything you cant see or have scientific proof of face first.
i spose youll have to go on eating your steaks and driving your car and believing in all that your five senses can tell you is real until you meet your belief weakend god.
given time i would bet the house your attitude will change.
i have experienced things in yoga that modern science cant explain so its easier for me to have an open mind when it comes to the unexplained

I love my steaks and I like to drive my car.....nothing wrong with that

I also have no problem with entertaining both possibilities and have no problems with a person choosing to believe whatever they want. You seem to only want people to see things one way....pretty closed minded actually.

As I said, I am open to the unknown. It seems here that if you don't believe, then you are bad or "just don't understand." I am open, but I believe in deductive reasoning, not inductive reasoning.

I have to go on is what I my senses tell me.



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oh my i think we have entered the realm of pure debunking ....wheres my tinfoil hat i seemed to have lost it ..oh my boss is trying it on...hey give that back you interdimensional shapeshifting mass murdering pedophile or ill cook you off with my kingsford hot coal recoiless refile with unlimite ammo support from the omni dimensional nordics who have used young heavy metalurgists blowing crank to fuel there proton engines

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
oh my i think we have entered the realm of pure debunking ....wheres my tinfoil hat i seemed to have lost it ..oh my boss is trying it on...hey give that back you interdimensional shapeshifting mass murdering pedophile or ill cook you off with my kingsford hot coal recoiless refile with unlimite ammo support from the omni dimensional nordics who have used young heavy metalurgists blowing crank to fuel there proton engines

LOL!That was great!

not true i dont care .but if there is a subject out there that i feel isnt relevant i just dont comment on it ...or try to debunk it ...i never have and never will...
if you think im trying to change your mind then change the channel im just trying to keep peoples minds open to the fact that there are things that are happening all the time that they would not believe....your not believing the same thing as me has nothing to do with me not being open minded...how do you rationlize this ?
who wouldnt think twice about some one who keeps on making arguments contrary to what might be as being someone who is out to prove just how outlandish something is ...ive talked with many people on here who dont bother with stuff they dont feel is relevant or real and they just dont comment like my self...
hmmmm.......

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man that was pretty good wasnt it ???
i just whipped that off in a stream of flowing consciouness....i should take up comedy
your alright with me face first there isnt anyone i dont love...i gave up all grudges along time ago and it was very liberating ...i just gotta keep trying ...ive just got a few more hurdles to leap across

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Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
ive talked with many people on here who dont bother with stuff they dont feel is relevant or real and they just dont comment like my self...
hmmmm.......
[Edited on 12-4-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

I am not out to debunk. I was presenting an opinion on Mr. Icke which was asked for at the beginning of the thread. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, if it was all pro-Icke talk here, it would get boring fast. Discussion is always much better with opposing views.

And that stream-of-conciousness you wrote was great. More!

well that stuff comes along when it comes along and i can rarely put it together on demand but ive done it many times...
but if you think the gook crack cops on acid are trying to force you to mind meld with the borg so whats left of your soul can be transformed into dilythium crystals to power up the time warping machines of the zeta reticulans youd better fire up your prayer capsule

i think that he's a nut job.....seriously! Alice in Wonderland and the WTC Disaster?!?!? come on! WTF IS UP WITH THAT?!?!?!?! personally, i would pay a cent for this guy's garbage.

does anyone find it suspicous that the bush family has been friends with the bin laden family for years and the day of the 9/11 tragedy that bush personally paid to have them flown out of the u.s !!!!
have you ever read that book !!!
read it before you condemn and start believing every thing mainstream runs up the flag pole to see if youll salute...theese arent hair brained thories he presents there backed up with hard fact availible in many places in reference to the 9/11 disaster

does anyone find it suspicous that the bush family has been friends with the bin laden family for years

Yes, but it doesn't make them aliens or shape shifting lizards. Trust me, the truth is a hell of a lot scarier than aliens.

It's just greed and the CIA, humans being bastards not aliens bent on domination.

IMHO

SPiderj