The Ethereal Beast

Has anyone questioned why a majority of Bigfoot sightings take place around Trailer-Parks, Lovers-Lanes and military installations? Caves figure into many sightings of mystery beasts as well.

Why do footprints left by the beast sometimes have five toes, others three, sometimes six?

Why said footprints are sometimes impacted into dirt that would require a heavier animal than even what the bigfoot is meant to weigh?

Why UFO's are reported in the vicinity of the creature in many cases?

What about Bigfoots attraction to menstruating women?

Why do some reports tell of only seeiing the upper or lower body of the beast, or even just disembodied extremeties?

Why nearly all cases of mystery creatures have glowing red eyes?

Why do Bigfooot hunters, who go to specific areas where the beast has been seen many times and is known to haunt, never get any evidence (as with 'Nessie' hunters)?

Reading over cases of Bigfoot sightings from the 1960's on, these points seem to stand out. Perhaps in investigating them will the true meaning of Bigfoot be found.

[edit on 24-12-2005 by Beelzebubba]

perhaps most of your questions are just myths?

FredH, can you please tell me why these reports from eyewitnesses could be considered myths?

Unfortunately many sightings were reported by people who wished to remain anonymous and outside of those accounts there is really no proof to back up their statements.

Not that I think myths play any lesser role in understanding 'mystery beasts'.

Two myths that I think are very important in how to view Bigfoot is the poet Virgil's Aenid. In book six he described how the great wild nature god Pan disported himself and caused panic amoung those who would capture him, with his many monstrous guises, including wild beasts and demoniacal apparitions. The other would be the many Native-American myths about the shapeshifter, the Trickster.

Well, I'm pretty sure that people have questioned these strange occurences. But, I don't really understand what you're asking. Do you want us to answer all these questions?

What I am suggesting is that most cryptozoologists maintain that they are searching for a flesh and blood creature in the case of Bigfoot. Every thread I have read in this forum pertains to an elusive flesh and blood creature. There are many anomolous factors involved in mystery creatures, as I listed in my first post. These factors are ignored by people interested in cryptozoology because they suggest another force at work. To ignore these factors may be doing investigators a great deal of harm in finding out what Bigfoot etc... actually is.

A few paranormal investigators have indeed questioned these anomolies, and have been shouted down by the cryptozoological fraternity because they go outside the accepted notions of flesh and blood creatures.

I did not so much want these questions answered, more to make those who are interested in the search for these elusive creatures aware that there is much more involved than physical reality.

I thought it would help to post these factors because of the wide pool of resources that ATS offers. If we can look at all the factors maybe some answers can be found.

[edit on 27-12-2005 by Beelzebubba]

Do you have any ideas yourself?

I am fascinated by this whole area.

Cryptocryptozoology?

The physical manifestation, whatever form it may take, is but one piece of a larger jigsaw puzzle.

I have a feeling that things like this, while viewed by most as odd exceptions to the proven rule, are in fact the tip of a much larger iceberg that cares not for hollow, modern worldviews.

I am convinced the nature of reality could not be further from the mundane machine we seem to take it for nowadays.









V

By stating my own belief I could be 'leading people down the garden path', so to speak.

I believe in the Pan spirit. A force that acts upon the impulse of the earth to confuse, confound and frustrate. I believe that ever since man stuck the first megalith in the ground, it became a cancer, draining the earth of life force. We are an abomination that the earth has been forced to endure as a parasite, so why not f**k with us while we are here?

Maybe on some subconscious level these apparitions are provided to assist in our spiritual evolution?



[edit on 30-12-2005 by Beelzebubba]

Originally posted by Victor the Cleaner
Cryptocryptozoology?

Well, the actual term is Paracryptozoology. Paracryptozoologists get even less belief then Cryptozoologists. I guess thats one of the reasons some Cryptozoologists don't become Paracryptozoologists, also it may be the just plain absurdity that the word "Paracryptozoologists" implies.
However, if you guys want to become Paracryptozoologists, I think thats great. You're willing to persue a realm of study that gets even more ridicule then Cryptozoology. I admire your courage.

I know this has nothing to do with what's being discussed here, but I'll ask anyway. Voidmaster, how do you obtain the title of Scholar, Writer, or Fighter under your name? I always wondered this but have not found any info on it in the FAQ or the member center. I'm just curious and would like to be a Writer myself.

Originally posted by Beelzebubba

I believe in the Pan spirit. A force that acts upon the impulse of the earth to confuse, confound and frustrate.



[edit on 30-12-2005 by Beelzebubba]

No... that's women.

Originally posted by TheBlueSoldier
Voidmaster, how do you obtain the title of Scholar, Writer, or Fighter under your name?

Well, I don't know about the Scholar or Fighter but to get Writer all you really have to do is U2U WorldWatcher for it. She's the mod for the Short Stories subforum in the Collaberative Fiction forum.
If you want to know about the Scholar and Fighter titles you'll have to ask someone who has them. I hope to see you around the Short Stories subforum.

Originally posted by BlindHeartagram

Originally posted by Beelzebubba

I believe in the Pan spirit. A force that acts upon the impulse of the earth to confuse, confound and frustrate.

No... that's women.

I do believe in Bigfoot and Nessie, and have been following sightings for 20+ years......I would, however, like to see your sources, i.e., bigfoot to ufo. Thanks in advance, and great questions

Here are some cases involving mystery creatures and UFO's. (My apologies for being unable to supply names in some of these instances)

During the Bigfoot outbreak of 1973 near Pittsburgh in October of that year an 8 foot tall, white haired creature carrying a glowing orb in it's three clawed hand was seen by two girls walking in the wooods. A UFO was seen above with a down-shining light traversing the area. - Jim Brandon "The Rebirth of Pan" (Firebird Press 1983)

November 1974, Seattle grocer Ernest Smith was hunting forty miles south of Tacoma, Washington, near where a UFO appeared to crash in flames on the night of November 14 that year. Smith was scanning the bluff with binoculars when an incredible green-glowing creature came into view. - Ibid.

Surrounding the outbreak of cattle mutilations in Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa in 1974, we have this report; "A few residents report sighting strange creatures resembling bears and gorillas, and at least one farmer claims that a shiny UFO landed in a field where a slaughtered animal was later found." - Newsweek, Sept. 30, 1974

October 1975, Sterling Colorado; Two girls report to police that they fired (with a .22) on a "hairy beast" that wandered into their yard. The creature ran off. Investigators found four branches burned off in the area where the creature ran, but no tracks. (Sterling, at the time was inundated with UFO reports and cattle mutilations) - Linda Moulton Howe "An Alien Harvest" (Linda Moulton Howe Productions, 1995)

July 1983, The sighting by Ron and Paula Watson of Mt. Vernon, Missouri. Through binoculars the Watson's saw two silver-suited beings standing over a black cow near their farm. They stated that "a lizard guy and a Bigfoot" stood on either side of a cone-shaped object that had a mirrored surface, as if guarding it. - Linda Moulton Howe "Glimpses of Other Realities" (Linda Moulton Howe Productions, 1993)

A woman approached Jacques Vallee at a lecture in London and told of her experience: In the summer of 1968, she and a companion were driving to Stratford-on-Avon to visit friends when, in broad daylight, they saw a shining disc in the sky. That evening, she and her friends were sitting in a room with French windows that opened onto the lawn. She crossed the room to get some air and saw a strange figure that reminded her of Pan. She felt that the creature was trying to communicate with her. - Colin Wilson "Alien Dawn" (Fromm International, 1998)

The great Loch Ness Monster hunter F.W.(Ted) Holiday came to the conclusion that the Monster was paranormal and wrote of it in "Goblins from Hyperspace". (When the famous 'head' and 'flipper' photo's were taken by Robert Rines, Holiday once again briefly entertained the idea of a flesh and blood creature)

John A. Keel is also well known for his paranormal interpretations of UFO's and Mystery creatures. (The Mothman Prophecies, UFO's Operation Trojan Horse, Strange Creatures from Time and Space)








[edit on 1-1-2006 by Beelzebubba]

An interesting note about the 1973 Bigfoot outbreak is that 1973 was the year of a multitude of UFO sightings, one of the biggest 'flaps' known in the U.S.A.

Jim and Carol Lorenzen's APRO have an interesting case study of an ex-Air Force security officer named Jim and his family:

Apparently Jim and his family purchased a ranch in Colorado (near an Air Force installation) around 1973. The family soon discovered quite a bit of paranormal phenomena around the property; electrical failures, phantom footsteps heard outside the farmhouse and sightings of Bigfoot-like creatures in the woods.

On Oct. 16 1975 a UFO was spotted by Jim when he heard the cattle braying and the guard dog was attempting to get inside the house. Sometime later a mutilated cow was found near the house and 18 inch footprints found around it as well as in the barn. The cow's udder had been removed and an eye and ear were missing, there was no blood.

Friends who were visiting went to investigate a noise coming from a cistern
and saw a huge, dark shape coming through a barbed-wire fence. Jim collected long stands of hair from the fence and a biogeneticist from Denver tested them, his conclusion was that they belonged to no known species.

There was a period of time when mystery humming boxes with blinking lights were being spotted by various locals. Upon going to check on the boxes they would disappear. Jim related to the Lorenzens that one night he had a compulsion to go for a walk to the top of a hill near his house where grass refused to grow. Upon reaching the spot he saw two fair-haired men in tight-fitting clothes were waiting for him. A Bigfoot was present also. The two men warned Jim about approaching the boxes and ordered the Bigfoot to approach a box nearby. As the creature got close to the box, it's hum changed in pitch and the Bigfoot collapsed, dead. - A.P.R.O files of Jim and Coral Lorenzen 1983 APRO

For those interested, here is a report I just found: Bigfoot and UFO's

Originally posted by Voidmaster
Well, the actual term is Paracryptozoology. Paracryptozoologists get even less belief then Cryptozoologists. I guess thats one of the reasons some Cryptozoologists don't become Paracryptozoologists, also it may be the just plain absurdity that the word "Paracryptozoologists" implies.

So, is it purely ego and the need to be taken seriously that prevents cryptozoologists from looking at all the data and not just that which fits within their parameters?

A majority of Crypto's are viewed as crazies as well. Paracrypto's may be viewed as crazies, but are at least looking at all the angles.

To say that the term 'paracryptozoologist' is absurd, would put the terms paranormal, paraphysical etc... into the same bin.

I have found that the research done by such luminaries as John A. Keel, Dr. Jacques Valee, John Michell, Jim Brandon, Dr. Carl Jung, F.W. Holiday etc.. much more diligent in allowing us to see a clearer vision of the mysteries that encompass our planet.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - William Shakespeare, 'Hamlet'

I should like to add something about Bigfoot et al... People who have encountered the beast remark on it's odour. They usually describe a rotten egg scent, a sulfurous odour. This is very important, the sulfur smell is detected by people who see ghosts, UFO's, mystery beasts, and even earthquakes and tornadoes. To me, this points to a far more complex explanation than the simple 'elusive hominid' theory.

They're huge and hairy and stink of sulfur, and some say several lurk in the wild places of Westmoreland County.
Bigfoot fact or fantasy?

So, just for throwing this into the ring as it were, would I be completely off topic if a theory were suggested regarding other dimensions (interdimensional) and portals?

If it were being suggested that these creatures are not entirely of this plane of existence, due to their elusiveness, etc., then it would stand to reason that they might be traveling from different dimensions via portals or interdimensional doorways. Thus, following this belief pattern or theory, first of all a “higher intelligence” may be controlling the portal and subsequent travel between dimensions. In this case we might just have our E.T.s, aliens, saucers, etc., that are reported to accompany theses creatures. Also, if these creatures, Cryptozoological, Paracryptozoological, mythical beings, etc., are traveling in the same or similar ways then it might stand to reason that similar odors (one being - hydrogen sulfide - the stink, rotten egg smell) or occurrences would follow or precede the creatures’ arrivals and departures.

This particular theory might also account for the vast sightings, in various parts of the world, of the same creatures. Likewise, it may also account for the amount of creatures encountered and reported as well as the varying types of the same creatures. How many types of hairy hominids, sea monsters and huge, bipedal wolf-like creatures do we hear tales of?

en.wikipedia.org...

www.crystalinks.com...

www.angelfire.com...


Skinwalker Ranch is one such place reported to have portals (in addition to lots and lots of strange creatures and happenings).

en.wikipedia.org...

www.uufoh.com...

www.rense.com...

(Also see Skinwalker Ranch thread at abovetopsecret.com)

There was a case in Poland in which a medium materialised an "apelike humanoid" in a room, accompanied by an "overwhelming stench".

One man who had an encounter with a hairy hominid experienced eye irritation after shooting at it. Soon after (about an hour or so) he suddenly began growling like a beast and acting like a savage bear or something. The witnesses could smell sulphur in the air.

A woman shot at a 7 foot "apelike creature" in the stomach with a shotgun. It disappeared as it got hit. The womans son in law said it had a similar experience a year earlier in which he heard the thing running away after turning invisible.

I think it is possible that the reason no one can find bigfoot when they look for him is because he is aware of his surroundings. Maybe the Bigfoot creatures are loners and only get together to mate and thats why you never see more than one together at a time. Plus the areas they are normally spotted in are large wooded areas with plenty of places to hide.

One possible reason for the Bigfoot and UFO sightings in the same area could be that Bigfoot is actually an alien being that comes to montor our world. Maybe an earlier exploration team was dropped off in different parts of the world to study different habitats and the UFOs are coming back to get an update.

This post might sound like Im being a smart a$$ but Im not. This is a serious post. I just wanted to be clear on that.