The very Biased Infomation Being Fed Into Children

last thursday My cousin who is 10 was at my house because his mother (my aunt) was away while he was here he was doing some of his homwork and when he left he left behind some of his books by acident one that he left behind it wasnt exactly a book it was more of a leaflet but has around 60 pages in it it is a reoligion book called "The Wonder Book:Answers To Tough Questions" heres a pimc of the cover if any of you reconise it:





I must say this is one of the very most biast books i have ever read for example:

god is the creator he made the world and everything in it the mountains,the trees the birds and animals he made you and me we are his most special creation God can amke things because he is all powerful he can do anything nothing is to hard for god.god is holy this means he is perfect he never does anything WRONG

The answer to "Ever wonder what the bible is" ,is:

You may wonder who wrote the bible or if we can know that the bible is true.the bible is a very special book from god.it is gods word,and every word in the bible is trueit is the most inportant book in the because it tells the everyone gods plans.....How do we know the bible is truly gids book ? god told 40 diffrent men over 1600 years to write down what he said to them

i have marked in bold the most biased bits and thers more it would take about 3 hours to type it all

[edit on 18-12-2005 by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE]

People who know me know I have no love for the Christian religion..you might even say I have a bit of a grudge. However I respect their right to teach their kids what ever it is they want. I highly doubt that this book was distributed in a public school. That means he got the tract from church, or his parent...maybe it was like vacation Bible school or something.

The only way this tract is biased is if he did get from school...and then not only would it be biased it would also be illegal.

D

riiiiight. and your point about this book?? i don't see what you are trying to get at.. so yer 10 yr old cousin left a book at your house that is an illustrated bible story book for kids? how is this " very Biased Infomation Being Fed Into Children " any different from the " very Biased Infomation Being Fed Into Children" 50 years ago? nothing new about people wanting to teach their children their own beliefs...

..you mention he was doing homework or whatever...
..and i'm sure, unless the boy is going to a private christain school, it didn't come from school.. but from his mother, or family, or someone in the church...

Um, sorry, start complaining when, 'public' schools, stop teaching aspects of Eastern and New Age 'religions', like meditation, "save the planet" propagenda and "how to know if you're gay and 'come out' ", clap trap.

Infact there isn't much taught in schools that isn't distinctly anti-Christian but if we ask that Christian beliefs get 'included' amoung the, What is Buddism? etc. classes, you all go nuts.

You know, I totally understand why you are disturbed, because totally aside from the fact that there are myriad and various ideas about God that adults have, or not-- I truly think is that it is equivalent to telling your kids about your sex life or involving them with any kind of other adult issues--such as problems at work, chemical dependencies, etc...

Kids cannot understand these things--they have other things they are, by necessity, supposed to focused on right now. And these things are purely physical and are a long step away from the understanding required to be able to cipher through the sloppy overhangings of our adult juvenility, and deal with the emotional baggage which comes with.

Most adults can't reconcile such ideas--just putting them in simplified patronizing baby talk doesn't make them more clear or any less prohibited. It's irresponsible---if a person doesn't understand or truly value what the bible says, or any other teaching they believe in to be valid, as far as applying things such as loving your neighbor and a being positive and consistent mature example to follow, this kind of thing sure doesn't help. It probably results in one of two potential ways--the overzealous scripture blind christian or someone who is so disillusioned or not at all fooled by such nonsense that by the time they might be coming to some realizations in their adult life, their earlier experiences soured them on something they never even truly got a fair chance at trying.

A parent's job is first to provide and nurture, then guard and teach, followed by some form of launching pad ordeal at the end of the teenage years. But the whole time we are in full time employment as a situational instructor--our actual life should serve as all the example they need as far as the deeper more mysterious parts of life, and the rest, too.

Other adults serve as an examples, too--but only because of circumstance. But the parent(s) has the responsibility and it's a bigger one that 'speading the word' etc by subversive methods like giving out booklets aimed at kids, regardless of where it came from.

Originally posted by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE
I must say this is one of the very most biast books i have ever read for

Of course it's biased for the Bible. The person who wrote it believes what the Bible says is true.

How do you know your cousin left it there on "accident"?

There are no accidents with God, I mean you did read it or part of it and were forced into thinking about God and eternity. So no matter what a seed was planted in you.

So a kid brings over a book that talks about the hope found in God, and he/she and their parents are in the wrong. You call yourself WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE, where is the hope in that?

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wow, wish I could spell

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Originally posted by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE
last thursday My cousin who is 10 was at my house because his mother (my aunt) was away while he was here he was doing some of his homwork and when he left he left behind some of his books by acident one that he left behind it wasnt exactly a book it was more of a leaflet but has around 60 pages in it it is a reoligion book called "The Wonder Book:Answers To Tough Questions" heres a pimc of the cover if any of you reconise it:

I must say this is one of the very most biast books i have ever read for example:

god is the creator he made the world and everything in it the mountains,the trees the birds and animals he made you and me we are his most special creation God can amke things because he is all powerful he can do anything nothing is to hard for god.god is holy this means he is perfect he never does anything WRONG

The answer to "Ever wonder what the bible is" ,is:

You may wonder who wrote the bible or if we can know that the bible is true.the bible is a very special book from god.it is gods word,and every word in the bible is trueit is the most inportant book in the because it tells the everyone gods plans.....How do we know the bible is truly gids book ? god told 40 diffrent men over 1600 years to write down what he said to them

i have marked in bold the most biased bits and thers more it would take about 3 hours to type it all

[edit on 18-12-2005 by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE]

WAGD you might not care for me, but your preaching to the choir here. I was one of those nosey kids who always over-read my textbooks to find mistakes, and to see how biased they were, they ALWAYS made the UN look good, ALWAYS made the political groups in power and rich were ment to be in POWER and UNCORRUPTABLE, so I never trusted them.

But your right, I don't even trust the History and Discovery Channels as much as I used to and now their catering more than ever to the UFOs/aliens market. So something is up, and it's not just a dollar signs.

great post, queenannie38.. those are my feelings, pretty much.. as far as kids not being able to understand, and either becoming all for God, or not wanting anything to do with it at all.

i was raised with books like that.. going to church every sunday, even though i would throw the worst fight in the world because i had to wear a dress, and sit through that boring crap..
.. i was "saved" when i was like 7.. had no freakin' clue what it really meant.. i just knew everyone else my age had done it, and my mom was dissapointed i hadn't..

..and i did fully believe in this god i was brought up with. i remember, before my dad died, when i was 7, .. i was in church...sunday night..
i was full of faith (for a 7 yr old) that god would heal my dad..'cause you know, that's what i'd been taught.. pray for the sick, they'll be healed.

..well. my dad died in nov. of that year, and i completely turned my back on "god", or even wanting to pretend there could be a "god"..
because my dad died, and since i was a child i had no way to ..understand why my dad wasn't healed....you know?
from there i went on to form and keep my "there is no point to anything" philosophy..
couple years ago i realized that..saying nothing had a point like...made my dad's dying in vien or something..

however, i came to realize that.. i would not be anywhre near the person i am today if he had not have died then..
..his death made me question everything.. made me search for answers..made me search for a point, even though i couldn't see how one could exist.

i owe all of who i am now to him dying..
and 'm pretty fond of who i am now.
... if my dad had have lived, i would have never been pushed to find a reason...
..sorry if i got off topic. ..and i'm so out of practice with writing, i know i must sound pretty stupid, but i assure you, i'm not.. : )

I have nothing against or for God. I just believe when it comes to learning in general concenus is only right so often, so I just don't trust atrocities and instituions any more, because all it is "mandate control"- concenus based on heirarchy, not any questioning or thinking is expected and I just don't believe in that, I believe in democracy and represention. And God, just in a more esoctoic and universial sense.

Originally posted by hollyjo
.. i was "saved" when i was like 7.. had no freakin' clue what it really meant.. i just knew everyone else my age had done it, and my mom was dissapointed i hadn't..

So what did you do that you became saved?

Sorry about your dad. I prayed also that my Mom and Dad would never be seperated, God answered that my way for awhile and then He chose to answer it His way.

Originally posted by suzy ryan


Infact there isn't much taught in schools that isn't distinctly anti-Christian but if we ask that Christian beliefs get 'included' amoung the, What is Buddism? etc. classes, you all go nuts.

Good point.

So if we shouldn't teach kids the christian perspective, because it might not be true, then that goes for all spiritual aspects.

Usual rant against Christianity; thread moved.

as far as what i did to be "saved" at 7..
i just remember my mom and i were coming back from somewhere in the car, listening to perhaps a childrens sermon or something...who knows, but basically all that it entailed was "asking jesus into my heart. asking him to forgive all my sins.."
hm. guess perhaps my dad dieing just gave me an early start to questioning everything out there that is fed to us as truth. ..was a rude awakening that whatever they were teaching me wasn't nessicarily true...
glad i didn't grow up "brainwashed" ....
..my friend stephen..preachers son.. i feel so sorry for him. he's one of the smartest guys i know, but.. his head is so screwed up now (seems to me).. i mean, the boy feels guilty (i say boy..he's a "man", though..) when he has fun.
feels like if he's having fun, that must mean he's not doing gods will, or living how god wants him to...
i could have turned out like that.. or close to it..
instead of rejecting it all early on, and starting my own quest for truth..

..which, oddly enough, has led me right back to g-d...
now though.. it's a freedom. i am discovering who/what g-d is a little more each day.. and he/it isn't defined by one book with many many translations and different religions steming from it. don't get me wrong. i use and refer to the bible alot.. but also anything else i can find that...somehow says something to me about truth.. ..something i see on a stupid sitcom or something could enlighten me.. everything connects.. truth is not that hard to find when one looks earnestly.

..and just to mention, i ...never chose to be led "back" to g-d (although the one i came back to is... a completely different entity, or version of "god" than the one i left..)
g-d came to me..
and the experience is still so ...odd to me, two years later..

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Originally posted by hollyjo
great post, queenannie38.. those are my feelings, pretty much.. as far as kids not being able to understand, and either becoming all for God, or not wanting anything to do with it at all.

I'm glad you shared that. It is important to testify to whatever happened, good or bad, because it happened and we can all learn from what we hear.

My mom made me go to church every Sunday and I had to wear a dress. The rest was open to my own judgment. Totally. We didn't talk about it, but we didn't avoid it, either. It was private and I believe that it should be. I have always guarded that certain privacy more than any other. What others don't know I have they cannot try to make into what they want me to have.

I quit going as soon as I moved out--it seemed pointless because no one was any different there than anywhere else, nothing to make God seem more present there than anywhere else. No one answered my questions much, and if they did, it was with the same canned answers that I still hear these days--these answers did not seem right back then and now it is no different except I have a clear understanding of why.

The thing that I am most grateful for, in my life, is a rebellious nature toward everyone but my mom, my dad, and God--including society. Beyond those 3 authorities I questioned everyone and everything else. When church became a clear contradiction to what I understood it was to be, in the bible and in my heart, I didn't doubt God or the bible, I doubted church.

About everything else in life I bungled up pretty good, but it actually turned out better in the end than what I had ever planned for my life. Amazing how that can be, in this crazy world.

Originally posted by hollyjo
as far as what i did to be "saved" at 7..
i just remember my mom and i were coming back from somewhere in the car, listening to perhaps a childrens sermon or something...who knows, but basically all that it entailed was "asking jesus into my heart. asking him to forgive all my sins.."

Did you mean it?
If you did, then your sins are forgiven and the Holy Spirit to up residence in you.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by hollyjo
as far as what i did to be "saved" at 7..
i just remember my mom and i were coming back from somewhere in the car, listening to perhaps a childrens sermon or something...who knows, but basically all that it entailed was "asking jesus into my heart. asking him to forgive all my sins.."

Did you mean it?
If you did, then your sins are forgiven and the Holy Spirit to up residence in you.

Aren't you the lucky one!!! Now you have free reign...and no matter what you will go to heaven!!

D

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Um, sorry, start complaining when, 'public' schools, stop teaching aspects of Eastern and New Age 'religions', like meditation, "save the planet" propagenda and "how to know if you're gay and 'come out' ", clap trap.

Infact there isn't much taught in schools that isn't distinctly anti-Christian but if we ask that Christian beliefs get 'included' amoung the, What is Buddism? etc. classes, you all go nuts.

What's wrong or even religous about Save the Earth and medititaion? You are joking right?

In American public schools there are no classes on Buddhism..And so what if there were as long as no religous prostylizing is going on its not a problem. It is after all a part of hitory. Therefore I also would have no problem teaching about Christianity as it is also a part of history.

D

Originally posted by queenannie38
You know, I totally understand why you are disturbed, because totally aside from the fact that there are myriad and various ideas about God that adults have, or not-- I truly think is that it is equivalent to telling your kids about your sex life or involving them with any kind of other adult issues--such as problems at work, chemical dependencies, etc...

Wow!

That was an awesome post. I am spending one vote for you.

D

The only way this tract is biased is if he did get from school...and then not only would it be biased it would also be illegal.

Its was distribuated at a public school Tubberclate N.S i went there as a child and it was a very kindof back in the 50's kind school

Originally posted by apocalypta

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Um, sorry, start complaining when, 'public' schools, stop teaching aspects of Eastern and New Age 'religions', like meditation, "save the planet" propagenda and "how to know if you're gay and 'come out' ", clap trap.

Infact there isn't much taught in schools that isn't distinctly anti-Christian but if we ask that Christian beliefs get 'included' amoung the, What is Buddism? etc. classes, you all go nuts.

What's wrong or even religous about Save the Earth and medititaion? You are joking right?

In American public schools there are no classes on Buddhism..And so what if there were as long as no religous prostylizing is going on its not a problem. It is after all a part of hitory. Therefore I also would have no problem teaching about Christianity as it is also a part of history.

D

This exchange is actually quite rich in a myriad of issues that are current.
I'm not going to wirte an argument about each of them but, here are some of the topics that I see in this small exchange that could, and probably should, be discussed further:
- teaching about religions in public schools. I think we should teach about them - at least most all the major ones. It seems that the Christian Right has a problem when we don't teach that Christianity is the "one true" religion and if other religions are treated with equal respect. So, that kinda shuts down the whole discussion of all religions and robs our children of a vital lesson.

- ecological issues: I wonder when teaching about ways to preserve and protect our natural resources and our environment became viewed as "anti-Christian". I'm pretty sure there are plenty of places in the Bible that talk about this being the right thing for us to do but, the strange "bed fellows" of the "Neo-Con/Radical Christian Right/Republican/Big Energy/Big Development/WalMarters of the World" seem to only focus on this one verse about "dominion" and get all bent out of shape if there is any stewardship added to our school curriculum.

- false accusationism/gross exaggerations: OK, I know of no public school curriculum that includes "how to know if you're gay and come out of the closet". This is a blatant "O'Reilyism" that he (and his ilk) use whenever a subject is not forbidden in our schools. To the Neo-Cons, "lack of forbidding" equals "support for" - that's not true and never will be. They use the same tool, turning it around in the other direction, to say that "not actively supporting" equals "actively working against". Maybe the first thing we need to teach our children is how to recognize spin!

- condemnation of public education based on false information and/or gross exaggerations and isolated incidences: OK this one is HUGE! The attempt to erode support for public education has a lot of roots in a lot of subjects. In the USA, if we don't teach the Christian doctrine, we are teaching "Satanism"; in other parts of the world (the ones where we are fighting wars), it's the same thing only substitue "Islam" for "Christian". Any attempt to accurately portray history in such a way as to expose some of the "bad stuff" that has happened in our US history is seen as anti-American. Science is under attack in ways that I thik everybody here is aware. All of this is just designed to make our public education system weaker and, it is working! Take all that and factor in greatly reduced funding and you can ensure that we'll never get the best teachers in our schools so, our schools will continue to suffer. As an avowed partisan Democrat and proud liberal, my personal view is that conservative Republicans know that an educated citizenry in the USA will not vote their way so, it's in their best interest to keep as few citizens from becoming well-educated as possible. (I know that will draw some flames!)

OK, that's enough for now....amazing what you can glean from just a simple exchange.