Homo-Sapien killed Neanderthol...

According to History Channel's Ape to Man, early Humans are likely the cause of the extinction of Neanderthols, who are the cousins of Humans, not the ancestors. In order for Neanderthols to be our ancestors, they had to have no more than 8 DNA differences. They happened to have over 13 differences.

Starting with Lucy, dating back some 3.4 million years ago, they have created a timeline for humans. Homo Sapien's stayed in Africa, while Neanderthols spread out to other regions. Since Homo Sapiens stayed, they had fish for thier diet, which they said to have been the main reason why we evolved the way we did. ALso, the hot climate elvoving less hair.

It took 150,000 years for Homo Sapiens to migrate to Europe, where they achieved lighter skin. Humans also had developed better tool thans the Neanderthols, so we won in hunting as well.

Scientists assume that our cousins, the Neanderthols, were a threat to us, since they looked so different, so we killed them until we were the supreme life form.

What do you think?

Another big contribution to the dermise of the Neaderthals was their inability to adapt quickly to changes that was occuring in their environment.

Interstingly, the chronology might have to be revised, with early types of human living in europe much earlier, at around 700,000 years ago.
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This doesn't necessarily impact the destruction of the neanderthals, and i suppose that neanderhtals are then derived from this population (or perhaps replaced it?), and then homo sapiens arrives in europe later and ends up dominating.

I don't agree and neither do anthropologists. Since we are advised not to make one sentence replies I will make a suggestion or two.
1. Homo Sapien Sapien and Nieanderthal both were related to an earlier ancestor which appears to be Heidelbergensis (named after the city near where the remains were probably found).
You might try the Smithsonian Institution's web site for a world of fascinating information and a bunch on human development. Amazing stuff, all submitted for peer review and, so far, supported by research.
Nieanderthal was found in the Nieander Valley in Germany and valley in German is thal. Modern man is also referred to as Cro Magnon (pho. Manyon) but Cro Magnon is considered modern man's earliest itiration but he possessed our basic skull shape although it appears that his cerebral hemisphere was just a tiny bit larger as opposed to Nieanderthal who's brian was a fair bit larger then ours.
Have fun looking this stuff up and ping me on site if you choose.
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There evidence to suggest there have been Modern Human/Neanderthal hybrids. So not only did Neanderthals and modern humans coexist for thousands of years long but also might have mated.
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Alot of animals died out at about that time. IMHO they all couldnt be due to Humans. There just wasnt enough of us around to have that much of a effect. Sabertooth Tigers, woolly mammoths, Ground sloths, American Lions, Cave bears and so many others. Even other cousins of ours like Gigantopithecus blackii a 9ft 1000lb ape. Anthropologists have no answer why such a amazingly powerful ape died out all of a sudden. I doubt a few humans with spears could have a major effect on a animal that strong and powerful. It would have been able to crush humans like twigs like most animals of that time.

Humans might have played a part in some of these animals extinctions but I really doubt they were the main cause. Changing enviroments or something must have played a role.

[edit on 16-12-2005 by ShadowXIX]

Originally posted by Inanna
According to History Channel's Ape to Man, early Humans are likely the cause of the extinction of Neanderthols, who are the cousins of Humans, not the ancestors. In order for Neanderthols to be our ancestors, they had to have no more than 8 DNA differences. They happened to have over 13 differences.

Starting with Lucy, dating back some 3.4 million years ago, they have created a timeline for humans. Homo Sapien's stayed in Africa, while Neanderthols spread out to other regions. Since Homo Sapiens stayed, they had fish for thier diet, which they said to have been the main reason why we evolved the way we did. ALso, the hot climate elvoving less hair.

It took 150,000 years for Homo Sapiens to migrate to Europe, where they achieved lighter skin. Humans also had developed better tool thans the Neanderthols, so we won in hunting as well.

Scientists assume that our cousins, the Neanderthols, were a threat to us, since they looked so different, so we killed them until we were the supreme life form.

What do you think?

I think the history channel is correct. The Neanderthols are a form of homosapiens who evolved differently because of the climates they migrated to. And in the beggining we were all apish, and then once the homosapiens (not the neanderthals) started migrating north, their skin, eyes, and hair, etc started to turn lighter, and the people who stayed in africa started to turn black. I read all this in my local newspaper.

[edit on 23-12-2005 by German Researcher]

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
There evidence to suggest there have been Modern Human/Neanderthal hybrids.

The evidence you cite is morphological, however the few genetic studies that could be done seem to weigh against neanderthal and sapiens reproducing with one another.

Alot of animals died out at about that time. IMHO they all couldnt be due to Humans. There just wasnt enough of us around to have that much of a effect. Sabertooth Tigers, woolly mammoths, Ground sloths, American Lions, Cave bears and so many others. Even other cousins of ours like Gigantopithecus blackii a 9ft 1000lb ape. Anthropologists have no answer why such a amazingly powerful ape died out all of a sudden. I doubt a few humans with spears could have a major effect on a animal that strong and powerful. It would have been able to crush humans like twigs like most animals of that time.
Keep in mind that competition doesn't mean warfare. Think of it this way. Who is going to get more food, neanderthal, who has a simple and unchanging tool set, gigantopithecus, who has no tools, or sapiens, with an advanced society, complex culture, ever adapting toolset, and probably more language skills than neanderthal?
Slowly and over time, the backwards technology of the neanderthal and giganto will mean less and less food, and therefore less and less of them, while at the same time there are more and more sapiens.

There doesn't need to be any contact between the groups even.

Yes, there has been one set of remains that indicate that there may have been interbreeding between Neaderthals and Homo Sapiens, but this has not been proven conclusively even for this single peice of evidence. Most anthropologists are all in agreement that there was too much of a genetic diversity between the two species to have allowed them to have produced offspring. That though of course not would have not prevented the attempts.

Although Homo Sapiens did play a major role in the demise of the Neaderthal species, they were not the only factor. The Neaderthal was not able to adapt to the rapid changing environment that was arond 40,000 years ago. With the temperature changes, animal migrations, as well as the presence of Homo Sapiens, tolled the death knell of the Homo Sapiens.
I have one question here though on this thread. Where is the conspiracy? This thread is in the Origins & Creationism Conspiracy and I do not see how it fits.

I could see an attemp by Neanderthals to mate with Homo Sapiens, they were said to just pick up fe-males if they found them alone because there was the need to continue the species and not very many of them.

And as to why it was posted under ORIGINS & Creationism Conspiracy, Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals are part of the long question of Human Origin. And although it may not be about conspiracy, where else was it supposed to go?

Last year my anthropology teacher informed us that Neanderthals were the first to have some kind of "religion," or "celebrated burial." We were taught that neanderthals would actually bury themselves, dead of course, with flowers underground. That was pretty interesting to me. Also, we were taught that Neanderthals used to be big enough to fight with lions and such. I don't know how accurate this information is, but I found it to be quite interesting. Also, if people changed from black to white by migration, would it be safe to assume that this change will occur again with black europeans? Or how about black asians, will their eye's slant and skin color change? I personally just can't see this happening. It doesn't add up. I believe there is something more to this that we just don't know about yet, or possibly ever know. Finally, if homo-sapiens and neanderthals never mated how do you explain Johnny Damon?

[edit on 26-12-2005 by Ryanp5555]

Curent discoveries will point asia and europe not africa.
Modern Iraq for that matter is supose to be the point of spread out.
Europe plays it's role as well for earlly homo sapien type.
www.esimpletech.com...

So it would be betwen europe and asia where early man walked.

Curent discoveries will point asia and europe not africa.
Modern Iraq for that matter is supose to be the point of spread out.
Europe plays it's role as well for earlly homo sapien type.
www.esimpletech.com...

So it would be betwen asia and europe where early man walked.
Africa also remains a posibility.
The curent stage shows that the oldest human ever discoverd was discoverd in etiopia.
We may never know the true location where man started.
I just wonder it keeps me asking where and how did it start.


[edit on 6-2-2006 by pepsi78]

Its pretty clear, from anthropological, genetic, and probably you could even say linguistic evidence, that man started in africa and spread out from it.

"Last year my anthropology teacher informed us that Neanderthals were the first to have some kind of "religion," or "celebrated burial." We were taught that neanderthals would actually bury themselves, dead of course, with flowers underground."
They have found that the flowers that were "buried" with them were not actually flowers but pollen remains that were left when the grave was dug into by rats.

And to answer the questions about race. Anthropologists have found through mitochondrial testing that of course all homo sapiens evolved in Africa, and different mutations occured. For a not-so-know reason one group of homo sapiens left Africa about 40kya - 50kya, while the others could not, and populated the world. Therefore meaning that the "white" homo sapiens came from Africa and were already white and the black were left in Africa. Also about 20kya some homo sapiens migrated to Australia and populated it. As of right now they think it was due to the advanced nature of the homo sapiens and they believe that they found a way by water.

However, my hypothesis is that about 20kya there was an ice age therefore creating a "bridge" for homo sapiens could migrate across.

Tell me what you think.

Doesnt surprise me. White's killed Native Americans just because they looked different and have a different culture, whats stopping early Humanity from killing Neanderthals.

Neanderthals Stitched Too Little Too Late

discovery news

Jan. 3, 2008 -- Neanderthals probably froze to death in the last ice age because rapid climate change caught them by surprise without the tools needed to make warm clothes, finds new research.

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An interesting theory... It seems that Homo Sapiens are much more sensitive to the cold compared with Neanderthals so Homo Sapiens early on developed the technology to create multi-layered clothes. Whereas the Neanderthals being more thick skinned didn't. When the iceage came along it was too late for the Neanderthals...

The last ice age drove Neanderthals into some very small populations in southern Europe and the near east, creating isolated genetic pockets - i.e, inbreeding. When the ice receded and they spread out again, they had low genetic diversity, probably a bad birth rate, and thus weren't that populous. Enter the newest model of humans, fresh out of Africa and the swamps of the Nile and Mesopotamia region. Disease, disease, disease.

I would doubt modern humans had any aggressive role in the extinction of Neanderthals.

my theory : the aliens did it !

good article overall, but the section that claims the movement of homo-sapiens to Europe caused them to "achieve lighter skin" should be re-phrased.

To achieve would suggest that it is a goal that others should aspire to reach. Not the best use of the English grammar. Its 2008, try to be more Politically Correct