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Originally posted by Nygdan
What the heck is a dormer mason anyways?
It was in the belief that modern Freemasonry is the successor to the ancient Mystery Systems, and that its worth as a spiritual and moral force in society can be developed only through an increased understanding of its own system, that the Dormer Masonic Study Circle was founded on the 13th January 1938. Its founders laid no claim to authority other than that which arises from integrity and sincere belief. Its policy is guided by a Governing Council, but its members are from many Constitutions in most of the world, the only restriction being that applicants for membership must be Master Masons who owe allegiance either to the United Grand Lodge of England or to a Grand Lodge which is in fraternal relationship with that of England
Originally posted by Trinityman
If you liked that you'll find a lot more information at places like....
Originally posted by Nygdan
What the heck is a dormer mason anyways?
Originally posted by TgSoe
This thread is moving slow as a Towel Mill clock. Those are some interesting links People dying, you always have some interesting info to share. Thanks for those great links.
I don't believe I have ever heard of Dormer Masonry Cug. There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on the link you posted sir.
Originally posted by TgSoe
This thread is moving slow as a Towel Mill clock. Those are some interesting links People dying, you always have some interesting info to share. Thanks for those great links.
Originally posted by peopledying
Here is another slant on the pre-1717 origions about which I was starting to feel Masons wern't really giving good information:
www.templarhistory.com...
This set of speculation whether grounded in fact or merely wishful thinking on the part of the Fraternity, has met with acceptance by many Freemasons world wide. By the same token many Freemasons have rejected it as inaccurate.
A common held theory regarding the continuation of the Knights Templar under the guise of the Freemasons has been gaining in popularity. As a Freemason myself, I can state that the theory is not entirely accepted among members of the craft. Many have climbed onboard the Templar origin wagon, while many hold to the old belief that we are descended from the Medieval or even Biblical stone cutters. Those that follow the Stone Masons theory are generally older Brethren who have a hard time accepting anything new. For those who accept the Templar theory, it is largely held that the Templars fled to Scotland under the guise of stone cutters and established Masonry as a continuation, albeit a covert one of their order.
Originally posted by Cug
The thing I would like to stress is that many fraternal orders have some history that is pure myth, and they base many of their rites around said myths. And as time goes by some myths are discarded and others come to the forefront.
Originally posted by Nygdan
So thats a big part of the AW debate, how much of it was an unbroken line of succession, and how much of it was antiquarians and educated people picking up elements of AW and incorporating it into a new system?
Originally posted by Trinityman
PD
Whilst I'm of the opinion that non-operarive masonry started in Scotland, quite possibly as early as the 16th Century, speculative freemasonry started in England. There were many influences to this development, not least 'the enlightenment' embodied by the creation and success of The Royal Society.
PS Scotland is not in England
Originally posted by peopledying
Would anyone care to take on the conspiriast side to flesh this out and support or give reason to deny this connection?
Originally posted by peopledying
It is pretty obvious there is a lot of confusion about exactly what was going on a specific points in time. It is interesting history.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I've mentioned this before: the Illuminati were indeed strongly influenced by a secret society in the American colonies called "Sons of Liberty", which practically all of the founders belonged to, even those who were not Masons. The Sons usually met in Masonic Lodges.
After the war, they became known as the Order of Red Men, due to their (supposed) planning and orchestration of the Boston Tea Party.
It isn't surprising that Weishaupt and company back in Bavaria formed their organization while all this was going on in the colonies, especially seeing how they wanted to do pretty much the same thing in Germany as our forefathers were doing in America.
Originally posted by peopledying
Well this is new material for me. You seem to indicate that "what they wanted to do" was happening in America before Bavaria, I had assumed the opposite. Does this still jive with BI having contol over and using Freemasonry? Possibly European Freemasonry but not American?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I don't think any serious historian has speculated that the Illuminati ever had any control over European Masonry. It is documented that Weishaupt became a Mason soon after the Illuminati was founded, and he frankly admitted in his memoires that the reason he became a Mason was to solicit membership for the Illuminati from the Masonic Lodges.
However, sympathy aside, most German Masons appear not to have been interested enough to participate themselves, and Weishaupt did not remain an active Mason very long. Masonry's only long-lasting influence over the Illuminati seems to have been ritualistic only (the 4th, 5th, and 6th degrees of the Illuminati were identical to the three degrees of Blue Lodge Masonry, keeping even the same titles).