Looking for help in an OOBE

Fish, the trick for me...and this is just me is to simply allow my body to go to sleep while i'm still thinking. It's that simple. Very uncomplicated thinking. I know, I know everyone says you need to meditate and clear your mind and all of that spiritual stuff, but if I start thinking of what I want to experience then I will certainly experience it in the astral world.

You see, my experience has taught me that the astral is of our own creation. Sure, we're out of our body and we're experiencing things, but we are creating what we are experiencing with our own thoughts. We are still connected to our bodies and our brains. If you have negative thoughts, you will have a negative experience and vice versa.

This just works for me and these are just my experiences. I wish you well on your quest!

Yarium i'll type that up for you later on when I have time. The name was picked off the top of my head at the time.

Nowadays I remember having lucid dreams almost every night. Its like a door which once opened stays open. Just a couple of months ago I had never flew in my dreams but now after I have done I can do it in every lucid dream I have. I also find myself doing it in normal dreams. Lately ive also gained the ability to pass through physical objects, it all started from one normal dream I had I floated to the ceiling and passed right through it. I find the more I think about lucid dreaming before I go to bed the more I have. It seems I have so much experience with lucid dreams now every dream I have at one point or another I think about it and realize im dreaming.

When I lucidly dream, I always try moving objects in my dreams - like telekenisis. In fact, there was one dream where that power went out of control! That was pretty cool - and at the same time kinda makes you glad that no one has it... or that those who might only have it to a small degree.

Fish, the trick for me...and this is just me is to simply allow my body to go to sleep while i'm still thinking. It's that simple. Very uncomplicated thinking. I know, I know everyone says you need to meditate and clear your mind and all of that spiritual stuff, but if I start thinking of what I want to experience then I will certainly experience it in the astral world.

That encourages me zenlover, if the same technique works for me then ive already got far enough to leave my body. You say all you have to do is wait until your body shuts down but do you have to visualize leaving your body or what?

In my experience everytime I start dosing off, I practice pulling myself in and out of sleep a bit then I put physical pressure on my body so try and leave it. Its funny, my body is immobile but I can still use muscles to give myself the feeling of forcing myself out of my body.

Is this the wrong approach? Lately ive been coming to the conclusion that to pull my non-physical body out of my physical no physical effort is required. Rather I should make more of a mental effort.

By the way how long have you had to ability to leave your body and have you much experience at it?

Originally posted by fishbrain
I find the more I think about lucid dreaming before I go to bed the more I have. It seems I have so much experience with lucid dreams now every dream I have at one point or another I think about it and realize im dreaming.

BINGO!

Honestly, Fish and this is just my opinon; I think you are just trying too hard. Here is what I like to do: I like to fantasize about something good....like a red, hot affair with a mysterious stranger! LOL. I lay there thinking about every detail of it and I just keep thinking and thinking and thinking until my body goes off to la la land. This is where it can get a little tricky. I have to realize in my mind that my body is asleep and my mind is still going or else it just becomes a regular ol' boring dream...so it's kind of like even though i'm thinking about my hot affair with Brad Pitt, in the back of my mind I know what i'm aiming for and it just happens. I start hearing a whooshing sound in my ears and sometimes I pop right out. Sometimes, I roll over and over and over on the bed until I go through the wall and i'm outside. LOL. There are all kinds of different experiences. But you MUST keep thinking. You have to keep thinking and thinking and thinking and remembering where you are and DO NOT GET SCARED! Do not think negatively.

Again, just my experiences. I wish you well.

[edit on 12-12-2005 by zenlover28]

Originally posted by fishbrain

Fish, the trick for me...and this is just me is to simply allow my body to go to sleep while i'm still thinking. It's that simple. Very uncomplicated thinking. I know, I know everyone says you need to meditate and clear your mind and all of that spiritual stuff, but if I start thinking of what I want to experience then I will certainly experience it in the astral world.

That encourages me zenlover, if the same technique works for me then ive already got far enough to leave my body. You say all you have to do is wait until your body shuts down but do you have to visualize leaving your body or what?

In my experience everytime I start dosing off, I practice pulling myself in and out of sleep a bit then I put physical pressure on my body so try and leave it. Its funny, my body is immobile but I can still use muscles to give myself the feeling of forcing myself out of my body.

Is this the wrong approach? Lately ive been coming to the conclusion that to pull my non-physical body out of my physical no physical effort is required. Rather I should make more of a mental effort.

By the way how long have you had to ability to leave your body and have you much experience at it?

I think some of you just have really good imaginations !!! ... But that is kinda sorta how it works ... or so I have HEARD ... I have never actually had an OOBE ... Although in my dreams I can control them and can control where I go in my dreams and what happens ... But the world may fall apart ... and the outside world will still be whole ...

You need to be careful with these measures ... you need to meditate ... and learn how to control your feelings ... If all the sudden you feel like you cannot get back when you have an OOBE ... you will snap back or you will ..... Well not snap back ... hopefully this never happend to anyone ... Your body has defenses to it it will not allow you to have an OOBE ... if you cannot handle it this is alot of times why people cannot have OOBE .. For good reason ... Meditate ...

Lostboy; it does take an imagination in my experience. I see here where others claim that their experiences are real and not just a creation of their own mind. I see where they think they are flying to the moon and the stars, etc. and who am I to negate their experience. I'm not going to. I'm just going to say that it has become my realization that it is all a creation of my mind. I write the story and get to experience it exactly how I write it. But, i'm aware that i'm the one creating it all with my mind.

Originally posted by fishbrain
By the way AkashicWanderer, I see 5 words on your avatar so that would make it a pentagrammaton, not a tetragrammaton.

The word "Tetragrammaton" is not describing the shape of the pentagram.

Explanation of the Esoteric Pentagram



[edit on 12/12/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

Originally posted by zenlover28
Lostboy; it does take an imagination in my experience. I see here where others claim that their experiences are real and not just a creation of their own mind. I see where they think they are flying to the moon and the stars, etc. and who am I to negate their experience. I'm not going to. I'm just going to say that it has become my realization that it is all a creation of my mind. I write the story and get to experience it exactly how I write it. But, i'm aware that i'm the one creating it all with my mind.

YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME OOBE ... that I am talking about ... I have a friend that has Out of Body Experiences ... that he can go in the other room .... and see what is going on ... NKow who is winning a card game ... He can walk around and see actual Stuff going on in LIFE ... REAL LIFE ... he has told me about some stuff and I am like you wre not there ... he is like yes I was lol ... Rather wierd .... I used to live with him, for like 2 years ... Kinda was wierd .. ok it was REALLY REALLY WIERD ... But anyways .. What I can do is control my dreams and make things happen in my head ... But guess what no matter what I was seeing .. I was in my HEAD !!! Not Outside my head ... PHYSICALLY ... Hence the reason .. we are talking about OUT OF BODY .... Hold on are we talking about dreaming ... cause if we are I feel ya .. use your imagination ... Go !!! Wooohoo .... I am glad you have one ... but ... that is not what I am talking about ... OOBE ...

there are many different kinds of todash whether it be dreaming actually going somewhere or whatever.the ticker is this.the human brain does not differentiate on what it sees and what it remembers or pictures in your head where as many call this imagination based on the primitive understanding we have of our brains.recent studies show that someones brain will use the same areas of activity when thinking about an object as they do if looking at it.now we are very limited in the understanding of our own body and the way it works if you can explain how simply just because we use our eyes to see something that you can physicaly touch and because they are consistantly there because we believe they are from the
get go we are taught that a is for apple and so forth.many are told that what they see and feel growing up are figments of our imagination so we eventually accept the reality that such things do not exsist. here is a brief discription of when columbus found whatever place.or at least as it is told.
as the three ships traveled close to the land the natives there could not
see the ships at all.their small understanding of their world never had them see anything quite like the ships.their brains could not yhandle them so they could not see the ships.now the shaman noticed that there were irregular partings in the water and every day ha went out and observed them.tryingto understand what they were.slowly as he did this over and over again convinced that he was seeing something.eventually he could make them out .as objects coming towards them.now here is the kicker the tribesmen depended on this man as truth and that he was to be trusted and apparently because they could believe the shaman they coukld see the ships after he told them they were coming.the brain i believe sets up a sort of security system of information as a sorrt of reality field as we are young and have not had alot of information stored in our brains we can believe in more and are more intune with the world we live in.as we gwet older and enter school we are taught that things have laws and that these are fact.and as your brain developes your reality field accepts these surrounding thoughts as our own. mostly because everyone else is on the same page.now where do we get this knowledge from the teacher. someone who we have been taught to think knows what is our reality.as
we learn what it is to exsist our new brains start building this reality field
based on the fact that whazt we are told is true therefore negating all that is against this way of thinking.as we do so our brains reality field gets smaller as our brains after such mental conditioning will not be able to handle such ways of thinking as to go against what we have built up
as our reality.now i know im probably not making sense and repeating myself alot but this is a hard topic to disscuss.just my thoughts....

I think you would find this thread very interesting ... Toray ... INTERSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not exactly sure but they have a Hypothesis if you want to call it Educated ... that the Brain may see things instead of our eyes .. Actually seeing them ... Akward I know just read the Thread ..

What are the consequences of OOBEs and how do you know how to get back in your body?

Here is a great way to mess with your realities for whatever reason(i have trouble stoping my thoughts because i have an extreme case of hyper active attention deficite disorder my brain thinks too much)try to not sleep.
Now i dont actually suggest anyone harming themselves this is just an idea.Sleep depravation can really alteer your thought process....

I commonly have lucid dreams in which I can phase out of any situation I wish on demand. Often I don't even reach a point where I think to myself am I dreaming? I know that I'm dreaming from the my extremely outrageous actions. Sometimes I am not even completely sure that I am dreaming but just take a chance and assume I'm dreaming. The logic behind this is that when I am awake I can be 100% certain that I am not dreaming so if there is any doubt at all it MUST be a dream. It never really occurred to me until a few weeks ago, but since then I have started to make an effort to think about the fact that I am dreaming and realise I must be sleeping in my bedroom right now and try and phase into my bedroom and see myself lying there. Still this may just be an elaborate hoax my mind is playing on me so I figure I will try and witness something that I can verify when I awaken the next morning. An idea is to phase to a soccer match which is usually being played all the time at same place in the world that I can verify the next morning by checking the results on the internet. Another is to have someone write something down and leave it for me to read, and I could check with them the next day if what I read was right. I believe in this state that I can only view and cannot touch, feel smell or taste anything around me but I'm not sure as it hasn't happened yet.

In the last three or four weeks since I began trying to experience reality in my dreams I have had the presence of mind to think about the fact that I was sleeping in my room three times. Once I woke up immediately afterwards, once my mind tricked me into thinking I woke up but in actual fact I was just in another dream and the third and most recent time last week I woke up in another dream and still was able to realise my mind was tricking me, then I phased into my bedroom and when I got out of bed I couldn't see myself lying on the bed but could see a darkened shadowed area where my body would be lying. I then saw myself as a 10 year old lying on the ceiling above me. I decided to see if I could walk through the wall and I could but was just met with blackness on the other side and a lot of resistance. This gave me an eerie feeling and I thought it may be safer to explore reality whilst lying down in my bed. At this point I woke up and realised that this although it seemed realistic there were some small differences in my room like the wardrobe being on the wrong wall causing me to realise what I thought was reality was just an elaborate dream.

I am confident however that it is only a matter of time before I master it though as I seem to get closer and closer each time. It's very exciting!

Originally posted by Crispy
What are the consequences of OOBEs

Consequences of OOBEs include, but are not limited to, the following:

• Greater awareness of reality.
  
• Personal verification of our immortality.
  
• Personal development.
  
• An increased desire for answers.
  
• Obtaining personal answers.
  
• Psychological change.
  
• Increased respect for life.
  
• Increase in knowledge and wisdom.
  
• Knowing instead of believing.
  
• Increased inner peace.
  
• Increased zest for living
  

But don't take my word for it , direct experience is what counts.

and how do you know how to get back in your body?

Astral projecting is simply being conscious of the dream world, or the astral plane. Much like dreaming, any sudden emotion will bring you right back to your body. The desire to come back to your body (in the form of thought) will also awaken you.

[edit on 18/12/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

I have just woken up this morning and noticed last night that I seemed to enter a dream state despite the fact that I was well in control of my physical body. I had about an hour to go before I needed to wake up for work anyway, and I was thinking maybe I can get one last session in. I was just lying there thinking about things when my subconscious seemed to take over and create events and situations that were not linked in anyway to what I was thinking about. As I knew I was awake I just opened my eyes. This has happened on several occasions in the last few weeks but I can't remember it ever happening before that. It has led me to the idea that perhaps it is possible to control both the Astral self and the conscious physical self at the same time?

Originally posted by AkashicWanderer

Originally posted by Crispy
What are the consequences of OOBEs

Consequences of OOBEs include, but are not limited to, the following:

• Greater awareness of reality.
  
• Personal verification of our immortality.
  
• Personal development.
  
• An increased desire for answers.
  
• Obtaining personal answers.
  
• Psychological change.
  
• Increased respect for life.
  
• Increase in knowledge and wisdom.
  
• Knowing instead of believing.
  
• Increased inner peace.
  
• Increased zest for living
  

But don't take my word for it

, direct experience is what counts.

and how do you know how to get back in your body?

Astral projecting is simply being conscious of the dream world, or the astral plane. Much like dreaming, any sudden emotion will bring you right back to your body. The desire to come back to your body (in the form of thought) will also awaken you.

[edit on 18/12/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

I don't feel these to be consequences, but advantages to look forward to.

well, that is definetly a very positive way to look at it, and that list alone should put most of us at ease who want to experience OOBE's. Good job.

I would like to try it as well, i am able to relax my body to the point that it feels lighter than air, and i am completely paralized...only by mental suggestion........is this correct? what should i follow after? the rope climbing theory?

I have sometimes experienced a sudden jolt awake, sometimes suddenly enough that i almost react like someone was gonna hit me...not violently, but enough to move me over in the bed. I read in another topic that this could be due to muscle contractions/contradictions-- I don't remember the dreams now...but when it would happen, i would have a very vivid picture of the "dreams" i was having. I at least think they were dreams. I can't explain the dreams though, it's like a story that doesn't make sense......like the movie "you got served"

but what i would like to know....do you guys/gals think i could have been traveling without knowing it? or was i just figity?

[edit on 18-12-2005 by Kingalbrect79]

Originally posted by Kingalbrect79
well, that is definetly a very positive way to look at it, and that list alone should put most of us at ease who want to experience OOBE's. Good job.

Thanks,

The important thing to remember is that the list of advantages is not universal to every individual. The advantages you get are directly linked to your effort. Not only in trying to get into the astral but more importantly in what you do once you get there.

I would like to try it as well, i am able to relax my body to the point that it feels lighter than air, and i am completely paralized...only by mental suggestion........is this correct? what should i follow after? the rope climbing theory?

To achieve a conscious astral projection you must mantain consciousness while allowing your body to go to sleep. Any technique, excercise or practice that allows you to do the above will let you achieve an astral projection.

The technique that you choose is solely a personal choice. There is no universal technique which works equally well for all individuals. For this reason I suggest you intuitively choose a technique that you feel will work well for you, and practice with it for a week. Keep switching techniques until you find one that works well for you, and stick with it. If you feel the rope technique will work for you, it is definitely a good one to start with.

Do you know what to do once your physical body has gone to sleep and you are still conscious?

I have sometimes experienced a sudden jolt awake, sometimes suddenly enough that i almost react like someone was gonna hit me...not violently, but enough to move me over in the bed. I read in another topic that this could be due to muscle contractions/contradictions-- I don't remember the dreams now...but when it would happen, i would have a very vivid picture of the "dreams" i was having. I at least think they were dreams. I can't explain the dreams though, it's like a story that doesn't make sense......like the movie "you got served"

but what i would like to know....do you guys/gals think i could have been traveling without knowing it? or was i just figity?

Yes these jolts that cause a sudden awakening are definitely caused by muscle contractions.

The question is: What is causing these muscles to contract at that point in the dream?

I believe that there are three possible causes for these contractions.

Random and totally unrelated with the dream.

Caused by certain events in the dream which cause the brain to send signals to certain parts of the body. (This is only possible in light stages of sleep)

A variation of number two where the root cause is the quick pull on the astral body and its speed when entering the physical body.

To clarify, number three is relating to the concept of the astral body being quickly pulled by the physical body through the silver chord. This causes the astral body to come back to the physical body at such speeds that it enters the physical body (returning physical consciousness), leaves through the other side briefly (loss of physical consciousness), and enters once again (regains physical consciousness.) This can cause quick muscle contractions followed with a sense of confusion.

The difference between number two is the root case of the contractions. Number two explains that the event in the dream is what triggered the muscle contraction, while number three explains that the dream event triggered a pull of the astral body which was what triggered the muscle contractions.

When we are dreaming we are also travelling the astral dimension. We can travel it subjectively through fantasy, or consciously through astral projections.

I am recovering from meltdown. I became too scattered and lost reality.Luckily i have many things and sources of help and energy. Now it was tied to many things but oobe was one of them
I couldnt even focus or think properly or feel here. and i am still going through fog.If you do these things too much you can leave your physical body altogether and become part of limbo or the etheral realm.Although limbo is more of a voodoo thing..