NEWS: Racial Riots Erupt In Sydney Australia

Originally posted by BlackThought
Stats might be higher for certain ethnic groups because there is a higher proportion of crime within them
What does that mean? How would that sound if someone had that attitude towards you? that was Real revealing.

Gawd, do you bother -edit- It is simple fact, no more, no less, I suggest you adhere to the motto of this site and deny ignorance

Mod edit:

Be Nice, people.

[edit on 13-12-2005 by parrhesia]

It seem name calling in on the top of the day not facts. If in a democratic represented government the numbers of delegates do not match the numbers in the population there is a fundamental problem. I know it is hard to hear and you might have to give a little power up but trust me it is a good trade off.

I could say the same thing to you that there is more racism in whites. Would you believe me?

The only thing I’m doing is suggesting that the problem might not have started with the beating up of a lifeguard. That it might have started before the 20 years of gang rule. My teacher told me to start on page one not three how can you understand if you do not know what framed the situation in the first place. 5000 people don’t get angry over 2 Lebanese people. Riots in France do not start because two North Africans got electrocuted because they were running from the cops. There has to be fertile ground like for instance what happened after 9/11. Both sides need to own you to what happened. That includes the items of knowing you have privileges if you are European white person in Australia


In society some push and others get pushed then how can it be equal? That does not make any sense!!!


[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]

Blackthoughts, you may want to go back and read my other posts on this issue before sharing your racist oppinion of me. My understanding of our history is much better than many...but history is not the issue, the current social and political climate that caused 1000's to protest about the lack of justice is, and guess what, at the instigation of our Government and support from the media, "your side" (Middle Eastern Organised Serious Crime Gangs) started it and keep it going, simple statement of documented fact.

Your denial that they should feel the full force of the law of the land (something required by Moslem faith) proves you are the racist and not those of us who want the same laws to be applied equally to ALL our citizens.

Suzy tell me when have I said they are not accountable? When have is said I supported unlawful "gangs"? The present is tied to the past and the past goes longer than 20 years. If the past does not matter in the present day activies then there would not be any holidays or days of remeberance.

And I for anyone who decides to move from here to there and there to here...anywhere really. They should have the right to bring their culture and their concerns about governace with them as long as they do not hurt anyone else.

[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]

Please do away with the personal insults and stay on topic, people.

BE CIVIL

You know, Migrants and Refugees from all over the world, choose to come here to live in JUST PEACE, because our history proves they can.

So why are so many spreading P.C. (Personally Complisit, Politically Conveniant) propaganda in an attempt to stir up racial tention?

All we ask is that the 'bad guys' don't get away with crime, reguardless of their background and for that, you racists call us racist?????

Originally posted by suzy ryan
All we ask is that the 'bad guys' don't get away with crime, reguardless of their background and for that, you racists call us racist?????

Problem is, by committing a crime it destroys the point they are trying to make.

If they think these people should be punished for assaulting a life-guard, then allow the Police to do their job because as soon as you attack someoen for looking Middle Eastern you yourself are just as guilty.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Innocent people should never be harmed on the basis they look like a guilty party and that is what is happening here. Watch the videos, I did last night and it isn't a nice sight.

Originally posted by BlackThought
It seem name calling in on the top of the day not facts. If in a democratic represented government the numbers of delegates do not match the numbers in the population there is a fundamental problem. I know it is hard to hear and you might have to give a little power up but trust me it is a good trade off.

What's your point, I think I can sorta decipher it.
You seem to think that if you are a Lebanese person you'd only vote for a Lebanese politician or likewise with a white person. This shows your fundamental lack of knowledge of Australian society, because quite frankly people vote for who they think will best represent them regardless of race.

Originally posted by BlackThought
It seem name calling in on the top of the day not facts.

huh?

If in a democratic represented government the numbers of delegates do not match the numbers in the population there is a fundamental problem.

If? Again you are assuming it's not even.

I know it is hard to hear and you might have to give a little power up but trust me it is a good trade off.

Give a little power up?
Wow. I do not know what to do with all this power I have. Of course I am a billionare as well and I only hire non-white help.
All I asked you to do was not call me a racist via your generaliations about caucasions.. obviously this was too much too ask and again you opted to turn it into a white oppression thing. Please discontinue doing this.

I could say the same thing to you that there is more racism in whites. Would you believe me?

My point was this is what you have been saying/inferring continually and it is complete bs.

Both sides need to own you to what happened.

I didn't beat anyone up and been racist. The way I 'own' responsibility is to stand with my fellow citizens and refuse to get sucked into cycles of hatred and discrimination. I have been persecuted in the passed but I am enlightened enough to realise it is individuals that are to blame and not entire races or creeds.

That includes the items of knowing you have privileges if you are European white person in Australia

Whites are not immune to poverty and there are many priveleged 'non-whites' that are not 'just token'. Italians for instance have had a huge impact on the building industry and have made valuable contributions to our country in general [and have introduce 'whites' to magnificant food].. the chinese have done the same. Race has not prevented them [or any other immigrants] from becoming successful and their rich and diverse cultures have been appreciated as valuable assets, not oppressed.

[edit on 13-12-2005 by riley]

Mad in a well-adjusted society I would agree. But in the pictures I say I did not see them all nor was I there but I did not see any Asian, aborigines, Indians or Africans out there. All I say was young white guys and gals throwing bottles and yelling go home.

Australia is a land of immigrants. All but 300,000 Australians descended from immigrants who began arriving with the settlement of British convicts in 1788.

www.nationbynation.com...

So if Lebanese go home with the rest go home as well? Racial Discrimination Act of 1975 in fairly new considered with other democracies. So how can you tell me that you are able to wipe out institutional racism in less than 30 years when the country was formed in 1788? That was over 187 years of institutionalized discrimination.

To put it plainly if you are white you have a better chance of power and wealth while if you come from a marginalized group that is seen as the problem of society ills you have to work much harder to get power and wealth.


Well out of all 76 of the senators and 148 of the House of Representatives who many or ethnic people? One or 2 their should be at least 8 to 9% seen from diverse backgrounds.


[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]

Edit: Mild insult removed.

[edit on 13-12-2005 by intrepid]

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by suzy ryan
All we ask is that the 'bad guys' don't get away with crime, reguardless of their background and for that, you racists call us racist?????

Problem is, by committing a crime it destroys the point they are trying to make.

If they think these people should be punished for assaulting a life-guard, then allow the Police to do their job because as soon as you attack someoen for looking Middle Eastern you yourself are just as guilty.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Innocent people should never be harmed on the basis they look like a guilty party and that is what is happening here. Watch the videos, I did last night and it isn't a nice sight.

As I've already stated, I don't condone or support mob rule but I am getting pretty miffed at people refusing to acknowledge the fact that it wasn't retaliation for bashing VOLENTEER Surf LIFE SAVERS, but a response to over 20 years of the Organized Crime Gangs consistantly getting away with so very much worse BECAUSE the law of the land is not being applied to them.

How long do put up with the police telling you they can't/won't protect your loved ones before you gather in protest?

5000 people didn't bash ethnics, they gathered in protest and only a small proportion of those, even it the heat of the moment, became violent.

If you look at the violence caused by percentage of population, the "side" so many of you are defending, by only condemning the other, looks really, really bad.

And where are the Mid. Easterners condemning the actions of their mob, violent crime gangs? How can so many people be so dangerously P.C.(Perfectly Clueless)?

Oh please...

The problem you have, is the fact these people are not protesting. They are not gathering in the thousands and standing outside the Government buildings, instead they are attacking people. This makes them no different than the criminals...

You can't make a moral stand, when you have no morals.

Protest, organise these protests to lobby the Government, Town Major, get larger publicity and begin to punish these people - do not attack the innocent ones because it as normal is those people who get harmed and pay the price for guilty peoples actions.

Originally posted by BlackThought
So I guess you can name me some ethnic minorities in key positions in Australia

The Premier of Victoria, Steve Bracks is of Lebanese descent, as is the Governor of New South Wales, Marie Bashir.

Australian-Lebanese today feature in every professional walk of life.

www.ualm.org.au...

BlackThought the topic is NEWS: Racial Riots Erupt In Sydney NOT the
issue of Aboriginals, if you wish to discuss another topic please start a new thread, but you had better do your homework first!

Originally posted by BlackThought So how can you tell me that you are able to wipe out institutional racism in less than 30 years when the country was formed in 1788? That was over 187 years of institutionalized discrimination. Please tell me another lie.

It's quite simple until the 1970's we didn't let large amounts of non-white immigrants into the country. So the majority of them had the exact same rights as any other Australian from the moment they stepped off the boat.

To put it plainly if you are white you have a better chance of power and wealth while if you come from a marginalized group that is seen as the problem of society ills you have to work much harder to get power and wealth.

What a load of crap, my sister in law is from Vietnam and her family is much richer than ours despite coming here with nothing. In fact if you look at the stats, Asians who are by far our largest minority do better on average in academics than whites. You could argue that they work harder and if they are doing better than that's probably true but the opportunity to work hard and get results is there, that's what matters. The Italians, Irish, Greeks and certainly the Aboriginals had it far worse in their day. These riots were commited by an angry drunk mob of idiot racist criminals and do not reflect the views of the majority of Australians.

[edit on 13-12-2005 by Trent]

Jubilee Thank you for sharing that information about 2 people.

But all of that was said to show that people charging Lebanese gangs for the riot of 5000 people was rooted into something else. Understanding the system and daily life of an average person means a lot when after work you come home and turn on the TV and you see the PM looking like you or a Criminal that looks like you. Some have the gambit to be able to look like both while some have the problem of only looking like a criminal.

I live in an area similar to that and through Law enforcement see what happens everyday of my life.''

Jubilee Thank you for sharing that information about 2 people.

But all of that was said to show that people charging Lebanese gangs for the riot of 5000 people was rooted into something else. Understanding the system and daily life of an average person means a lot when after work you come home and turn on the TV and you see the PM looking like you or a Criminal that looks like you. Some have the gambit to be able to look like both while some have the problem of only looking like a criminal.

I live in an area similar to that and through Law enforcement see what happens everyday of my life.''

Oh Please.....you think these people, along with police and other community leaders haven't begged the Government to fix the the problem for decades?

They get sent away as racists, for crying out loud!

Standing on parliament steps never gets anything done, this was a last resort reaction, to dangerously entrenched ethnic mob rule.

Have you read all 10 pages of NumberCruncher's link on pg. 6 of this thread?

If you have and still choose to rage against one group of citizens instead of the Government that deliberately caused them to blow up, in, extreemly justifiable, frustration then..........

AND 5000 were NOT attacking, most who were gathered didn't get violent but you all know that but it doesn't suit your mindset to acknowledge it.

[edit on 13-12-2005 by suzy ryan]

If these 5000 were protesting peacefully first of all I think the police would not let 5000 young Lebanese come together to do anything let alone petition the government to do anything. Second when the violence started why wouldn’t the sane people stop the violent ones from messing up a good statement? Their your brothers and sisters couldn’t you talk the down?

To me if I let the crime happen when I could stop it I am just as guilty.


[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Oh Please.....you think these people, along with police and other community leaders haven't begged the Government to fix the the problem for decades?

They get sent away as racists, for crying out loud!

Where?

It is shocking that they can have tried to fix a problem for decades, when it has been around for roughly two-decades. In fact, it looks as though they must of began as soon as they moved over to Australia?

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Standing on parliament steps never gets anything done, this was a last resort reaction, to dangerously entrenched ethnic mob rule.

Mob rule? They control the society? Odd because if they held so much control, people would not go there to get assaulted? So they must not have as much control as you are trying to make out.

Also, nobody has tried to stand on parliaments steps.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Have you read all 10 pages of NumberCruncher's link on pg. 6 of this thread?

Yes.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
If you have and still choose to rage against one group of citizens instead of the Government that deliberately caused them to blow up, in, extreemly justifiable, frustration then.......…

Yes, I refuse to accept the first port of call is to attack people on the basis they look Middle Eastern as it solves no problems and only causes more hatred.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
AND 5000 were NOT attacking, most who were gathered didn't get violent but you all know that but it doesn't suit your mindset to acknowledge it.

If you go to a protest, knowing that the protest was called to “retaliate for the bashing of two lifeguards”, then you know it will be violent. So you are going to a protest calling for retaliation.

What caused this ?? I am sure there are alot of ideas out there .. Why didn't it happen earlier ? ....

Is this a cover up of Terrorist moving out of Iraq .. because they finally realize they are going to Die if they stay Hidden out very much longer ... Cause you better know we are taking them out one by one ... they running scared ?? And need some cover in this ??? Of course it woudln't be all terrorist they would need some cover .. How would they get it ... People have been heard of using electromagnetic and neurological devices to control .. peoples Senses . such as fear RAge ... or Anger ... You think that this could have any affect on such people ? CONTROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL