Racist mob violence in Sydney

Originally posted by mad scientist
Like I said there were no 'white' people there at all. I have already told you what happened

Damn ..

THe men at Lakemba mosque were going to fight at another place. but the pictures of the crowd were somewhere else

OH yeah protecing your beach.

"Welcome to Cronulla - unless you'd fit in better at Brighton

IN THE summer of 1989 I was with some friends at my local beach, Cronulla, when a gang of white local surfers and their female hanger-ons told me to "f--- off to Brighton".

At the time I understood the intent but not the reference. Why Brighton? My friends, all Anglo-Celtic locals, understood. But, trying to spare my feelings, they shrugged when I asked what those local morons had meant.

I soon understood. Live long enough in Sutherland Shire and you soon become familiar with the codes and rules, unwritten but understood, that govern the area's most famous attraction, Cronulla Beach.

If you're a white local, it's your beach. If you're wog/Leb/in any way "ethnic", you go to nearby Brighton-le-Sands, or try your luck elsewhere. Geographically, the two beaches are neighbours. Racially and culturally, they may as well be on different planets."

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I think the locals think it is their beach and dont let others use it. I wouldn't be surprised if the young" lifesavers said a comment like that to the lebanese there

Yeah the violence against non-locals at beaches around Australia is ridiculous. The only time I have been beaten up in my life is when i went surfing at the wrong beach and told some locals to *bleep* off when they said I couldn't surf there. Most just demand respect and will leave you alone if you don't do anything stupid but some are just idiots about the whole them being a local you being a tourist thing. This unfortuantly happens on many of the best beaches around the world, I believe in Hawaii non-locals are called "haole's" by territoral surfers.

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I don't deny that 'local' skegs can be d**k-heads. When I lived at Coolangattta I was beaten up by some of the 'Coolie crew' for being non-local and a swampy to boot. A night-club I used to frequent there (The Patch) had an unwritten rule that segregated skegs to one side and punks, swamps, goths, and metal-heads to the other. Mind you, I got to know some of these guys as time went on and got on fine with them.

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Originally posted by chinawhite
OH yeah protecing your beach.

"Welcome to Cronulla - unless you'd fit in better at Brighton

IN THE summer of 1989 I was with some friends at my local beach, Cronulla, when a gang of white local surfers and their female hanger-ons told me to "f--- off to Brighton".

At the time I understood the intent but not the reference. Why Brighton? My friends, all Anglo-Celtic locals, understood. But, trying to spare my feelings, they shrugged when I asked what those local morons had meant.

I soon understood. Live long enough in Sutherland Shire and you soon become familiar with the codes and rules, unwritten but understood, that govern the area's most famous attraction, Cronulla Beach.

If you're a white local, it's your beach. If you're wog/Leb/in any way "ethnic", you go to nearby Brighton-le-Sands, or try your luck elsewhere. Geographically, the two beaches are neighbours. Racially and culturally, they may as well be on different planets."

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I think the locals think it is their beach and dont let others use it. I wouldn't be surprised if the young" lifesavers said a comment like that to the lebanese there

Now now now that explains so much of your irrational views, 16 years ago you came across a couple of racist surfers. So your now emotionally scared and already had an opinion on these riots before they even started ?

Now now, I just came across this a minute ago, sums it up pretty well IMO

Sydney violence fuelled by race, ignorance and youth


[edit on 15-12-2005 by ImJaded]

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Now now now that explains so much of your irrational views, 16 years ago you came across a couple of racist surfers. So your now emotionally scared and already had an opinion on these riots before they even started ?

Great now all we need to do is determine which severe pshychological trauma you once must have suffered to become such a Rascist, driven-by-hate personality... must be tiring "hating" so much all the time...

LOL find a post of mine thats racist and ill eat some smelly socks.

Besides i wasnt born here i flew here, so it would not only be self defeating for me to be rascist it would also be hippocritical, only difference between me and you is i can see and you seem blind.

btw pretty offensive thing to call me or anyone with no proof, but perhaps it is you that's racist, usually is that way when someone is so quick to point the finger.

you posted this:

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Now now now that explains so much of your irrational views, 16 years ago you came across a couple of racist surfers. So your now emotionally scared and already had an opinion on these riots before they even started ?

then you post this:

btw pretty offensive thing to call me or anyone with no proof

Nuff said, so you can personally attack/offend poeple (and don't say your post isn't doing that, cause it is) but if anyone gives you a taste of your own medicine....

and to end: guess you'll be having dirty socks for dinner man!

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
So approx 3 out of 4 surveyed agree we have a race problem, and its time the Government addressed it, in my humble opinion they need to start with a massive blitz on these Middle Eastern gangs.

Calling for a massive BLITZ on Middle eastern gangs is considered a rascist statement in my book sorry....


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[edit on 15-12-2005 by XyZeR]

~hands out chill pills and beverages~

We CAN get along! c'mon now folks, cut out the bickering.

Any thoughts on the analysis I posted ?
I thought it did a good job of summing just about everything we are discussing

Originally posted by XyZeR
you posted this:

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Now now now that explains so much of your irrational views, 16 years ago you came across a couple of racist surfers. So your now emotionally scared and already had an opinion on these riots before they even started ?

then you post this:

btw pretty offensive thing to call me or anyone with no proof

Nuff said, so you can personally attack/offend poeple (and don't say your post isn't doing that, cause it is) but if anyone gives you a taste of your own medicine....

and to end: guess you'll be having dirty socks for dinner man!

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
So approx 3 out of 4 surveyed agree we have a race problem, and its time the Government addressed it, in my humble opinion they need to start with a massive blitz on these Middle Eastern gangs.

Calling for a massive BLITZ on Middle eastern gangs is considered a rascist statement in my book sorry....


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I can see why you chose a robot as your avatar.

I find it bizarre that you come to the Racism conclusion from me suggesting a blitz on these Middle Eastern crime gangs, what do you suggest ? maybe they should do a blitz at the local retirement home or boy scouts or perhaps the church christmas carols meeting to curb violent ME crime gangs ?

your starting to get quite entertaining, keep it coming ....


It sounds like you may need an education on just how violent these ME crime gangs have become here, i refer you to my post entitled " The ORIGINS of racist violence in Sydney " www.abovetopsecret.com...

But i guess you'll just dismiss it as propaganda seen it probably wont fit your agenda, perhaps your own mind is merely been clouded by lies which prevent you from enjoying the pleasure of free thought ?


So no dirty socks here, it was you sir that let fly with the racism and hate accusations, i merely pointed out to Chinawhite what seemed to be the origin of him so quickly and sometimes falsely taking a side to the tensions/riots.




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Originally posted by ImJaded
~hands out chill pills and beverages~

We CAN get along! c'mon now folks, cut out the bickering.

Millions do get along. I wouldn't worry about the few idiots who only want to fight and stir up trouble. A day doesn't go past when someone, somewhere isn't having crack at someone else. That's life..

I think it is really interesting that only last week a few ‘shock jocks’ were beating the hell out the story that a couple of life guards were attacked in Cronulla. They kept on and on and lone behold we end up with a riot.

Originally posted by ImJaded
Now now, I just came across this a minute ago, sums it up pretty well IMO

Sydney violence fuelled by race, ignorance and youth


[edit on 15-12-2005 by ImJaded]

This article does sum it up pretty well, but offers poor justification for some of these actions, alot is individuals opinions ....

examples
quote "Some gangs commit crimes but mostly they reflect the testosterone-fuelled behaviour of young men who feel alienated, say commentators."

now what a poor excuse to be a criminal ..... i feel aleinated lets go attack someone, have a word with yourselfs.

quote "The traditional territorial divide between Sydney's western suburbs, where many migrants have settled, and its affluent beachside communities, has also provided a landscape for a "them" and "us" mentality and a clash of youth gangs."

So some people are rich through hard work/ inheritance or whatever, so go get a job and build your own empire, hardly a valid reason to have a "clash", to me thats not a them and us mentality, its jealosy, and extreme at that.

But all in all the article sums things up accurately, but it lacks history on the problem.

Thanks for the link/read.

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by helium3

Please these are Arabic people should they be yelling chinese ?. Can you tell someone is a muslim because they speak Arabic ? I guess all those indonesian muslims are not muslim because they speak indonesian and not Arabic

In Lebanon people speak French, English and Arabic.
It was my understanding that French and English are more popular amongst the Lebanese Christians while Arabic is more popular amongst the Lebanese muslims.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Actually, Helium, in Indonesia they speak Bahasa, but that's beside the point.

Ace, in the Netherlands they can speak English and German as well as Dutch. In Scandinavia they can often read and speak the languages of their neighbouring countries as well as English.

I'm sure there are Maronite Christians in Lebanon who can speak Arabic as well as there are Druze and Arab Muslims who can speak English and French.

The fact that you are not an Aussie automatically disqualifies you from applauding the wankers who were wearing Aussie flags around their necks and drinking beer while working up the courage to take on the "Lebs".

They disgusted me and I'm an Anglo-Saxon, Anglican Aussie male. I was deeply, deeply ashamed of them. I would have joined in bashing them for the insult they made to my flag.

Anybody who was following my debates with Chinawhite and is wondering what a Bogan is, just listen to the interviews on tv of the shirtless heroes at Cronulla. That is how a Bogan talks.

It was more pathetic than the Jets vs the Sharks.

When I was a kid my best mate was not only a Muslim but his parents were Lebanese. It was of no consequence to any of us. We didn't even know what it meant when his widowed mother married a man in the Melbourne synagogue. We were in that stage of ignorance that is bliss, skin colour and religion meant nothing to us.

There was nothing hapenning at Cronulla worthy of being applauded except for the police intervention. None of those involved were from Cronulla and none of them worked there.

On AM they quoted a Turk kebab shop owner whose shop is on Cronulla beach. He said that in six years in Cronulla he had received no racist taunts and he wished that the whole lot of them would bugger off back to where they lived and leave him and his beachside suburb in peace.

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
You have voted AceOfBase for the Way Above Top Secret award.

I read all you wrote and the all the "its whiteys fault" responses thereafter. The painful lessons the Lebanese gangs in Australia are learning is that.....the Aussies are not French.

Their not going to hide in their little apartments while Muslims rampage thru the streets burning and looting.....they will go out and stomp A**!

Their not going to torture themselves with questions like: "what have we done so wrong to anger these Muslims"?....the Aussie youth know their society is superior to anything the Lebanese have ever produced and these Lebanese immigrants better get straight and act straight or they will be jacked up....these Aussie kids have no problem slugging it out and their not gonna watch their country go up in flames like France.

Its no coincidence that Muslims are having problems assimulating all over Europe......because for the most part, they don't want any part of the society that took them in. They seem to think everyone "owes" them.

Im sure there are alot of hard-knocks ahead, but its encouraging to see the Aussie youth hitting back.

Maximu§

Really, everything Australians have produced is superior to everything Lebanese? Say, how many archeological digs are there in Australia?



These Aussie youths are a pack of ignorant, drunken bogans who needed their heads bashed in by the police as a favour.

There were no Muslims rampaging through the streets looting and burning.


These Aussie kids had to get drunk first, before they had no problem "slugging it out".



And then they went after cops and ambulances.

So very Muslim, those two services. Ever notice what symbol is on the side of ambulances in Australia? It ain't the red crescent, edited due to the fact that I felt the need to use vulgarity, while at the same time, circumvented the censor. Shame on me!.

Ace of Base isn't even Australian, what the hell would he know about it? Unless you live in Sydney, and I don't, then the only info you have comes from the press or, in your case, your fantasies of what bronzed-Aussie heroes are.

I suggest you find a picture of Russel as "Hando" and make that your avatar instead, it would be far more accurate.



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[edit on 15-12-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

Originally posted by Jubilee
I am totally disgusted by the acts of violence towards the police, ambulance officers and innocent bystanders however the following news article will give you an idea of the attitudes of some male muslims:


Saturday Dec 10 13:35 AEDT

Gang rapist blames cultural differences

A convicted gang rapist has told a Sydney court he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl because he thought she was promiscuous and "had no right to say no".

As Muslims go, this one's a pretty poor example.

He says it was okay for him to rape a girl who wasn't covering her hair.

But he was drinking. Which, I'm fairly sure, the Prophet Mohammed said was a definite no-no.

Rapists are pretty much rapists no matter their religion. It's a power thing. As in, a demonstration of power thing.

Most evidence I've ever read backs this claim. Sometimes there are other issues at play, but in the vast majority of cases it comes down to power. And in this situation it was power, that much can be seen from her "lack of a right to say no".

Howlrunner wrote " Really, everything Australians have produced is superior to everything Lebanese? Say, how many archeological digs are there in Australia? "

Um you do realise that Australia has a Aboriginal culture that gos back 10's of thousands of years ? there has been thousands of Archeological digs here.
Infact there could of been colonization here as long as 65 thousand years ago but the commonly accepted timeline by conservatice archaeologists is 40/43 thousand years.

I could call you what you called the last poster but that would just make me look like an ignorant moron.

Peace.

Howlrunner wrote " Really, everything Australians have produced is superior to everything Lebanese? Say, how many archeological digs are there in Australia? "

Um you do realise that Australia has a Aboriginal culture that gos back 10's of thousands of years ? there has been thousands of Archeological digs here.
Infact there could of been colonization here as long as 65 thousand years ago but the commonly accepted timeline by conservatice archaeologists is 40/43 thousand years.

I could call you what you called the last poster but that would just make me look like an ignorant moron.

Peace.

Howlrunner wrote " Really, everything Australians have produced is superior to everything Lebanese? Say, how many archeological digs are there in Australia? "

Um you do realise that Australia has a Aboriginal culture that gos back 10's of thousands of years ? there has been thousands of Archeological digs here.
Infact there could of been colonization here as long as 65 thousand years ago but the commonly accepted timeline by conservatice archaeologists is 40/43 thousand years.

I could call you what you called the last poster but that would just make me look like an ignorant moron.

Peace.

The only thing the various Aboriginal societies produced were their societies. (yes, yes, and a few hand prints on cave walls and rock paintings in Kakadu, etc.

The single biggest acheivement they had, and I'm not denigrating it at all (just the opposite), is that with an incredibly limited gene pool they survived without inbreeding for tens of thousands of years. Thanks wholly and solely to the incredibly complex rules of "skin" and "caste" they developed to prevent just such a catastrophe from occurring.

Oh, and they pretty much didn't rape the land they way we have.

I was referring to the 200 years of "white" colonisation and what we've acheived. What has our society acheived that is so incredibly superior to Lebanon?

A bunch of drunk, flag-wearing, chest-beating, dole-bludging bogans? Some acheivement.

Lebanon's history goes back thousands of years. Ours, that is the people on Cronulla Beach "defending" Australia, goes back 200 years. And then it begins with criminals.

Looks like we've come a long way...