Ninjas are still in the modern world and have superhuman powers?

Also of note for the India connection people.A few of the shinobi arts can be traced back to a martial arts style that originates from the nepal,tibet,india area.Also look into the tuklor(sp?) of tibet.

Thanks you LordBaskettIV, at least someone on this forum knows the true heritage of assassins/ninjas.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

I bought a book a while back, called "The Invisible Ninja : Ancient Secrets of Surprise" by Ashida Kim author of "Secrets of the Ninja", was surprised by how much I knew of the stuff in there, basically 99% of it.

Ashida Kim is the laughing stock of most serious martial arts forrums.

He has been debunked as a McDojo Jitsu on many sites.

Cool that you have learned Teh Deadly skills? not really.

I'm thinking your post was made in jest...perhaps?

The Japanese may have cornered the market on commercialised martial arts but there other styles from other countries that are less well known and just as effective.

Fillipino, Malaysian and Indonesian Martial Arts are worth of your time, less commerical, harder to find and extremely practical.

The generally do not spend 3 to four years making you spend money on monthly gradings and fancy colored belts. I know in some western styles they have an expression "Only when you have reached Black Belt does the real training begin". So the three years you spent all thet time and money on? It was a warm up. Now you get taught the real techniques. No thanks.

Searches on Arnis, Kali and Silat will bring up various sites, there are many FMA styles.

The Ninja were effective assassins and information gatherers but just because it is Japanese does not make it the best.

No matter the style, it basically comes down to the practitioners skill, speed and his perception within the combat.



[edit on 24-12-2005 by Grimholt]

Yeah, in the end it comes down to your hard work.

Originally posted by Grimholt

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Searches on Arnis, Kali and Silat will bring up various sites, there are many FMA styles.

I wasn't going to mention other arts because I didn't want to get off topic, but thanks Grimholt for mentioning FMA. I am a practioner of FMA. I would like to point out to all those that are interested to not search "Kali" in a search engine but rather use the keywords "Escrima" or "Arnis" instead. "Kali" is a American term and is not as familiar to the real filipino heritage as "Eskrima" or 'Arnis".

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There are many ninjitsu schools that are open to the public. But in order to learn the secrets of the art you must train hard and prove yourself to these teachers. There is an innner circle within the Bujinkan organization, but little is known of it. The home of all true Ninjitsu training is currently in tokyo and is called the Honbu Dojo. The currnet grandmaster is Soke Masaaki Hatsumi.

For the skeptics who do not believe me check out this website...www.bujinkan.com

and the things that you deem superhuman are not superhuman, instead they are extaordinary feats achieved by extraordinary individuals.

Thats cool but the Chinese assassins are stricted yet stronger

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

I dont know just post your theories or any information on here and please dont start a debate on this article,

Did you forget to link the article?

FYI I am a ninja. That's all I am allowed to tell you.

So am I. Big deal. We lack super-powers but we do have special skills that other martial arts lack. It all comes from.....it's a secret.

If I remember correctly, ninjatsu first originated in China during the 3 kingdom era. It was adviced by a Wei kingdom millitary advisor but got rejected due to its lack of use in real war craft. And like many other stuff, the knowledge was stolen by japanese and turned into their national treasure.

Remember when dealing with Ninjas the effective strength, endurance and fighting ability of a Ninja is inversly proportional to the number of Ninjas that you are facing at any given point

The whole ninja is a secret. I know some of those secrets too and I train in kung fu.

Originally posted by Grimholt
Remember when dealing with Ninjas the effective strength, endurance and fighting ability of a Ninja is inversly proportional to the number of Ninjas that you are facing at any given point

And it's proportionate to how many katanas each side has

A ninja is trained hard in every way of fighting. Weapons, climbing, hand to hand, and the msot famious trick is illusions.

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The art of Nijutsu and it's mystic powers did nothing to stop the Samurai who crushed them on their way to Tokugawas castle. While the remaining few did help Tokugawa escape, and did keep the art alive in secrecy as body guards to the Emperor (much like the Okinawan Body guards practiced Karate in secret) the Ninja did not show much for super powers, but did a nice job of staining the crops red with their own blood. If they had super powers, I would have thought the Samurai would not have made it through their farms.

The powers you seek can yet be found in the forests of Japan, you must seek out the Tengu. If you are of clear mind, and they don't kill you first, they may teach you something worth while such as the true art of invisibility or how to extend your chi into the surrounding world so far and intense that you will appear to have telekinetic abilities , or even mind control. But even such tools will not give you super powers and you will probably lose the ability to use them in your own quest for power.

You are kidding me? You guys think research on the net is going to prove that some school in Japan is going to teach the "secrets" of being a ninja? Not trying to burst anyones buble, but I speak from experience when I say this: there is no secret ninja society. If you can find anything online about a group of ninjas that have secret meetings, that it in itself debunks the issue.

No matter how much you research, how long you have been in martial arts, or how much you have paid to a school, it is not that simple. The art of the old-school ninjitsu (the non-commercialized version), is taught between families. There are no secret techniques that you do not learn in the beginning...any "instructor" that tells you the good stuff begins at the black belt level, is a crock. Also anyone who simply states that they infact are a "ninja", and have been taught the "ancient secrets" that nobody else knows about, is meerely delusional in thier congnitive existance in the world.

IMO, commercialized martial arts programs that promote paying them to stay in shape, win or compete in tournaments to "prove" something, is nothing more than aerobics with spiffy pajamas and a belt.

A true master though is versed in way much more than "really neato kicks". And to top it off, you would never be able to pay someone for teaching you since there is no price greater than fulfillment because someone understands the fundamentals of it.

Please note that I am not trying to offend anyone or make short of someones point. It simply disturbs me how much the entire aspect of what is viewed as "martial arts" has simply taken its toll on the basic understanding in its entirety.

Originally posted by TruthSeeker99
Hellow, I've heard that theres a secret ninja society where ninjas, seemingly superhuman beings train and complete missions. This may seem like a complete fantasy but it still may be as possible as alliens existence. Ninjas are meant to be so secret that most of the world knows only 1% because of some backstabber long ago. I am not assuming anything, I am just thinking it may be possible. I am not good at posting to the point so you might think I'm am not serious and this is completely made up but this is what I heard. Anyone heard of ninjas in the modern world? They are just like normal humans when outside.

I dont know just post your theories or any information on here and please dont start a debate on this article, this is just for the sake of theory.

Ninjas in the scope of martial arts ninjitsu - YES and its like an open secret nowadays. Youtube has ninjas buzzing about doing nifty stuff to each other.

Ninjas in the scope of a private army - Sort-of, depends how hard-core and professional the dojo is.

Are these ninjas 'old-school' with ninja magic, smoke and bouncing around like something off Shogun Assassin? Not that I know of.

You're half-right.
They do exist, but are not quite superhuman or immortal. They aren't full-time warriors or dedicated to ninjitsu 24/7. Part-timers and hard-core enthusiasts is what it is. They have jobs like everyone else. Every 6 months or so they get together for training camps though and then it becomes ninja time.
I did a brief spell of ninja training (in Germany and it was ordinary martial arts ninjitsu NOT the black ops-esque stuff etc) and during one session, instead of training our sensei put on a video.
It showed ninjas, ninjas and more ninjas doing their thing in the wilderness (in Japan). They were jumping out of trees, practising skills and sneaking about etc. The video was quite old (1980s) but striking! I'd say about 100 at least in the vid. So this is what awoke me to the hard-core ninja groove.
Another, more exhibitionist video was like a recreation of old-school ninjas using modern day ones, but around old Japanese castles. That was interesting too, and very hardcore with no punches or holds being held.
A book was written by an American. I forget the name as I just perused it briefly in the Senseis library.

According to the author they train and live in the mountainous provinces of Japan - Iga and Koga regions possibly.
The author (having searched all over Japan and speaking to the Ninja Grandmaster) got some photos on them and taken to where they hang out.

I asked my sensei (who had met the Grand Master Ninja twice during seminars in Europe) about what you just said and he said he didn't know, as he hadn't been to Japan. He did stress that the standard of Ninjitsu is much, much higher in Japan than elsewhere.

He certainly was not against the idea of having a force for the good in Ninjitsu sorting # out and going on missions but did say that the ninjas of old were twice as hard as the modern-day ones. Often during the video (which showed them half-running up trees) he'd comment that the old-school ninjas could completely run up them and do some nifty sht.

I left the dojo after a month though. As I found the Sensei's regime unworkable around an army career and he openly admitted he didn't take Ninjitsu seriously, which I disagreed with but hey. One example being that he would expect you too learn everything verbally with not one iota of a written guide or revision to learn while you were away. His excuse was 'It was the way I learned'.
He would not give you any refunds if you'd been on duty (he relied on us army guys for business) and I learned that he wanted to operate a two tier system for training but would be conning the 'other' side for sub-standard training while we did the 'real' training in another area.
I didn't want to be a part of his racket so left. So there was a con-man gig bubbling away too. He was the real deal with what he knew but I felt he was using what he'd learned to scam money.
The other ninjas in my Dojo (all of 3!) were cool and good guys though, not aggressive or anyone you'd suspect of being a ninja.
That was my brief flirtation with the ninjas!

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hey man!
would you mind if i ask you somethin about bein a ninja!(if u really are one)
cause i've been wantin to be one....and due to lak of resources can't go out of ma country(and lack dosen't mean money.....its PARENTS!!!)

i'm in india!
tried searchin for a master here.....hard luck!


any help?plZ?

I've studied and practiced Ninjutsu for two years and was a member of a Bujinkan dojo. There was usually 3 to 8 students in our particular group, led by an "instructor" who was a level 1 black belt (there are 10 levels of black belt in ninjutsu). Training was rough, but the instructors would only push us as much as we wanted to be pushed. Most of my injuries were due to accidents. For example I once got kicked in the face when the instructor only meant to kick NEAR my face as demonstration, and once I got a black eye from being hit in the nose with a bo staff.

There was no sparring because most of the techniques were designed to seriously injure, incapacitate, or kill an attacker. There was a lot of focus on anatomy, and one of my favorite techniques involved 'poisoning the blade' by stabbing into the attacker's bowels, and then severing their tendons behind the knees, producing a slow, agonizing death.

Other topics included stealth, evasion, etc. Much of it was common sense, but a lot of things were pretty neat. For instance, if you're trying to sneak past a guard, you want to make him look upwards because it negates his peripheral vision.

Our instructor would study once a month under the "teacher" who was a 10th degree black belt. My teacher ran an executive close protection business (bodyguarding) and has provided security for a few celebrities, politicians, and even princess Diana, Charles, and their kids when they were on vacation. My teacher once told us that he had heard rumors from the royal family's other bodyguards that one of Diana's children (I can't remember which one, but I think it was the youngest) was not actually Charles' and that the real reason for the Iraq war was for oil (this was like a month after the war started, so it was pretty insightful at the time).

Us lowbies (I was a 7th level Green belt) had the opportunity to study under our teacher (10th black belt) four times a year or during two day festivals. The teacher was a former SBS Commando (British special navy forces) and had done special operations in the Balkans. He and a few instructors would study at least once a year in Japan under the Grandmaster Hatsumi and then pass along the techniques and philosophies etc. to us.

Our teacher had this special sword that he would only bring out on special occasions. He said it was one of seven swords given to the seven kings of Europe. I have no idea what that meant.

There is no such thing as "ninjas", the proper plural of the word is "ninja" as in "the ninja were a rogue society in feudal japan". According to our teacher, there is only one true ninja, and that is Hatsumi Sensei.

A lot of the so called magical powers of the 'ninja' are simply hype. Many of the techniques are designed to inflict as much pain and damage with the smallest amount of effort. The apparent effortlessness of the techniques gives the impression that the ninja is using "magic" when in fact it is simply the ninja's knowledge of anatomy, leverage, etc. that gives him his power.

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dude!
i totally agree to your point
it ain't magik dat nunja use!
its all technique!


but
how can i find a good master and convince him to train me?

and also parents!(i mean convince them.....well this part is upto me..u tell bout trainer)

and that hatasumi sensei(plZ ignore spellin errors)
does he teaches students?

for eg
i'm TOTALLY IMMETURE IN THIs ART(obvious)!

Assuming ninjas do exist, and assuming they have "super human" powers, I propose that their powers come from an understanding of energy flow/manipulation similar to one practiced and taught by Buddhism and their monks (and other Eastern Religions).