NEWS: Trading Bibles for Porn

[Never mind. This is supposed to be about terrorism.]



[edit on 10-12-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by spamandham
You've earned a permanent ignore.

yup, that's how close minded people stay ignorant....put everyone that disagrees with them on ignore. you do realize the similarity between the words "ignore" and "ignorant" dont you?

i really do wish some people would learn how to debate without turning to childish behaviour.

Wow, talk about low. Aren't the aathiests always ranting on how Christians are trying to convert them. Talk about hypocracy!

Bibles for porn. Hmmm. Puts a whole new meaning on Revelations.

What would be the reaction if they had given out Marvel Comics or some such? Probably the same I imagine.

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again now.

If you want to live your life out of what you read in a book, then please don't ever read Silence of the Lambs, because the world doesn't need more serial killers.

Who ever went to war over porn?

Brilliant idea!

They should also accept Qu'ran and Talmud while they are at it.

i wish i thought of this.

Porn is free online, and as long as you are not selling it you can distribute it is suppose, depending where you are.


people will pay money for bibles. so you tell people you will trade porn for bibles then you sell the bibles.

100% profit, thank you.

maybe they need the bibles for rolling papers i remember about 20 years ago they made it against the law to by rolling papers or to have them in your possesion in my town . a friend of mine started carrying a bible with him everywhere we asked him why he replied that the pages made good papers. not that i am condoning the practice

Originally posted by Graystar
Timothy 4 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



1 Timothy 4
Instructions to Timothy
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.


1 Peter 4:3 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society


3For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.


And we wonder why we can't find a cure for Aids. Don't believe what they tell you it is God's creation not man's



[edit on 8-12-2005 by Graystar]

HIV originated in the green monkey.
A researcher from Wistar Institute was doing research in the Belgian Congo trying to beat Salk to a polio vaccine. He used kidneys from green monkeys to develop cell cultures to grow polio virus in. He injected this vaccine into local villagers. They developed AIDS; this has been proven by interviews with his former lab assistants and by analysis of stored blood samples from the 1950s from that area. God made the monkey and the virus, but not AIDS in the way you suppose. I suppose you obkect to the polio vaccine? Proof that you ought to look a bit deeper before making blanket statements.

[edit on 16-6-2007 by j_kalin]

[edit on 16-6-2007 by j_kalin]

Originally posted by snafu7700
regardless of what you've been told, christianity is not even allowed in the school systems anymore, so your kids are growing up happily ignorant of the word of god.

Thank god for that. Public education is already a waste of time as it is. If they were spouting about religion, I would have dropped out of school. I like to think for my self, make my own decisions, thank you very much. You want to come to my door, fine. Ill even talk with you some on it. What I won't do is pay taxes to go to school, just to have religion mixed in with education. That, in my eyes, is nothing short of brainwashing.

You want to force religion on your children, bring them to church. In school, we learn things like history, math, and science. Religion doesn't belong in school, and thank god for that (no pun intended)

why is it that when you go to any other thread, your claims must be substantiated with proof (ie source links or quotes), but when the discussion centers around christianity, anything goes? people can make wild, outlandish remarks with no supporting data. a double standard maybe? i for one am sick of it. say anything you want about my religion, but support it with facts so that we can have an honest discussion....not with crude remarks and name-calling.

Well thats unfortunate but true. I guess when it comes to religion, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and there really isn't much of fact in it unless you are debating what is said by a book. I say your religion is a waste of energy, time, and has no real standing above any other religion. This is my opinion, and it doesn't need a source. The day I say your religion promotes violence, you can ask me for a source or quote. I do not mean to be insulting, but I personally feel any religion is a waste, including christianity.

Originally posted by snafu7700
in other words, theories, by definition, are just that: theories. none of them have been proven, and yet they are taught as fact.

Nice excuse, but they aren't taught as fact, not in school at least. In school they are taught as controversial theories that have yet to be proved. Big bang, evolution, etc. aren't spouted as fact, believe me, I know. They are scientific theories based on logic, and some facts that may be directly or indirectly connected. Althought it's a theory, there is evidence that points at the idea. There is no evidence, physically, that points at the existance of god.

Do mind you, I believe in a god, but it is apparently not the same god as yours if you believe in christianity. My belief in god is admittedly based completely on faith. I don't have a book from god, I don't have my god working bonafide miracles. I don't have a god that helps people in their moment of need and talks to people. I don't have a god that goes sending people to hell for ridiculous reasons. I do have a god that presents us with choices everyday. I don't have a god that needs to be taught, because when you find him you understand that it is your own personal journey to make. You shouldn't have other people manipulating your view on what this universe is about, and what god is.

second, in regards to the virgin mary, i think flyer has corrected your obvious lack of knowledge. that's what is so great about this site....you learn something new all the time.

So can you tell us how a virgin got pregnant?

which just means that they actually care about your eternal soul. you dont have to agree with them or even humor them if you dont want to ....thats the great thing about this country. if they bother you so much, ignore them or tell them to go to hell....of course, i would hope you'd think about the irony of such a statement.

No, I simply explain myself and my lack of need for their religion.

there is alot of talk here about how horrible the bible is, but nobody bothers to back it up with actual scripture. if you want to have this debate, lets do it right....show me what it is that you find offensive, instead of just spouting the same old unsubstantiated garbage over and over.

What do I find offensive? Well the idea that your god is the right and only god, and that I'm suppose to go to hell, is the main thing I find offense. I believe what I am doing is right, and it keeps me doing what is right better than anything you could give me. I don't steal, I don't lie anymore. I did when I was going to church every week because it didn't mean anything to me. It was not until I made my own decision on the topic and had my own thoughts that I changed. I was a person who wasn't afraid of anything, including hell. It wasn't until I realized what I believe that I started doing what was RIGHT, for me. It may not be right for you. It took me some time to see right from wrong. I do realize my right from wrong, will not be the same as everyone elses, and rightfully so.

I don't think this thread is the place to explain my views, but I welcom U2U's if you are interested.

lol I just looked up at the date, what person revived this? its like 2 years old haha.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Well at least in a religion like Christianity, the people who do this think they're saving the eternal soul of the people they try to convert. There's no such incentive to convert people to atheism.

There is, we're trying to save your one and only existance. Because once your dead your dead

Originally posted by obsidian468
djohnsto77 wrote:

Well at least in a religion like Christianity, the people who do this think they're saving the eternal soul of the people they try to convert. There's no such incentive to convert people to atheism.

And Atheists think that they're helping people stop making rash decisions based on the (mostly) distorted perception of the Bible that is presented by the modern media and modern religious groups.

Fact is, trying to coerce someone away from their personal beliefs is rude, inconsiderate, and a violation of personal rights. How would you feel if someone tried to convince you that your child/wife/pet/other person that's close to you wasn't worth loving? You'd feel insulted. That's the way I feel every time someone tries to convert me to their religion. I believe what I believe, and it's a very close, personal thing for me, as I feel all religion should be. It's something to be believed in, and held close to one's own heart. It's not something to be touted as a means to change the way other people percieve the world, start wars, create laws, and remove the science from the scientific community.

I'm not going to take sides in this debate, however, anyone who has really studied theology understands that as the stories in the Bible were told again and again, and passed through word of mouth, they changed with each new interpretation. As it has been translated and retranslated over the years, printed in perpetual new editions, and constantly revised by each sect of Christianity, it has changed greatly. The teachings of the Bible are also open to a great deal of personal interpretation. Fact is, through this 2000 year old game of "Telephone" that the Bible has been through, we have no clue what it originally stated. For all we know, the original Golden Rule simply stated, "drink beer and eat cheetos."

This is the point of most Atheists and Agnostics - essentially, we can't use the Bible as a true tool of faith, because it has been so warped, distorted, and changed over the years that we can't really ever determine it's original wording or meaning. Faith lies solely on the shoulders of the faithful, and no outside source can really be trusted to be correct.

Watch the film "Dogma"... it brings up a lot of good points regarding faith and religion, and even though it's a ficticious film that simply deals with religious themes, there's a lot of valid real-world advice in it.

FlyersFan wrote:

And yes, I subscribe to the thought that atheism IS a religion.
It USED to be said to be a way of thought ... but I believe it
is a religion for many and it has followers.

Yes, it is a religion. The simplest definition of religion is a series of beliefs based on faith. Just as Christians have faith in their belief in God, Atheists have faith in their belief that there's nothing out there.

It's all religion from where I stand.

snafu7700 wrote:

maybe you could provide a link that proves darwin correct while youre at it? last time i checked, it was still a theory with no data to prove it correct.

how about some proof that the big bang happened? more unproven theory.

how about any proof at all of how this universe and all of its matter was formed without a supreme being?

Regarding Darwinian theory, there is scientific evidence to support it, yet there is (and may never be) any outright proof.

The Big Bang - once again, scientific evidence supports it (and other scientific evidence goes against the theory).

The last point you make - there is no scientific evidence to support it one way or the other.

Fact is, many scientific theories fall under the jurisdiction of faith just as much as any religion does. Science itself has often been referred to as a religion, and in some regards it is. The religion of science, however, is more often based on faith in inconclusive scientific evidence that supports a theory, rather than a single religious text that most likely differs wildly from the original stories. It is up to a person to choose their faith in this regard.

Personally, I think that in the long run, science will win out.


And finally, to wrap this up, my own thoughts on this. More than anything, this is a publicity stunt. It's a group of college students who wish to encourage people to take a second look at their religious beliefs, and the text that founds those beliefs. Most Christians, and furthermore most religious people in general, don't really understand their religion, and rather follow and believe what they are told in regards to it. Now, this isn't a steadfast rule, as several of the religious people on this site have proven, but it does apply to a large number of religious people. The number of religious debates I have entered into (I find debating religion can be quite enlightening, so long as there's no attempt at conversion, only at understanding), and self-proclaimed "devout Christians" were lost in the debate within a few minutes when I simply mentioned a few of the slightly obscure points of Christianity. To quote "Dogma" for a moment, "Speak the name of the voice of God, and she looks at you like you have two heads, but then refer to something from a Charleton Heston film, and suddenly everyone's a theology expert." That statement holds a lot of truth.

Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, no matter how much anyone else may disagree with them. The point that you finally step over that line is when you try to force your personal beliefs onto another person. I hold this belief true for EVERYONE, regardless of religion or lack thereof. I'm just as offended by an Atheist trying to convert me as I am by a Christian trying to convert me, as I am by a Jew or Muslim trying to convert me. It doesn't matter to me what you practice. Just practice it, live by it, and don't push it on others.

this is one of the best posts ever kudos