UFO radio frequency?

What radio frequency do you think ET use (if they do!)? Isn't it strange how we have been looking for weird and wonderful radio communication from ET for years but we have never had anything that we can actually claim to be a real ET signal.

Maybe their on another higher or lower frequency?

Originally posted by Towards Omega
What radio frequency do you think ET use (if they do!)? Isn't it strange how we have been looking for weird and wonderful radio communication from ET for years but we have never had anything that we can actually claim to be a real ET signal.

Maybe their on another higher or lower frequency?

I think that if we were going to find somethin that we would have herd somthing by now. How long have we been sending siginals into space now?
To long IMO I think its time now to start looking at another way to get in touch. Besides I bet that they use another form like "light" or something.

This is only in my opinion but the distances involved (light years) in space communication would make radio communication seem pointless.

Even light based communication would take too long. The communication devices must work on a similar technology to the UFO's drive system or Mental abilities. As such beyond our capability to understand at the moment.

Again this is only my opinion.

Finding radio signals amid the vast amount of RF noise generated in the universe is an extremely daunting task. Assuming that ET wants to be detected. Currently we are searching the 1.4GHz frequency range because 1) it has relatively low background noise which increases the odds of even being able to detect an intelligent signal and 2) because it is the frequency of atomic hydrogen (the simplest element). Look at the fantastic resources needed to even scratch at that one frequency! Further, frequencies in this range are very directional meaning we have to be tuned to the right frequency, at the right time and have our antenna arrays pointed at exactly the right place in the sky. There aren't enough arrays available to cover even a tiny fraction of the sky. So there is a great deal of chance involved. If you aren't already involved you might want to consider joining SETI@Home. Hey, who knows? We could get lucky.

Ok.. this probably should be in RATS rather than an open forum but I am posting it here anyway.
a few years ago.. I happened across a radio signal on a previously empty section of the dial. big deal right? well this signal was rather odd.
It started with a large beep, blip or ping.. hard to put the right word to this sound and it echoed slowly getting quietter and quietter until it was gone. After a series of these pings a digital voice spoke and said "you are listening to the beacon" silence and then a repeat of the stream of pings.
I tried to find out where that signal came from did research and made calls to no avail. In the end I still have no clue what it was or where it originated from.
could have been some effort on our part although I doubt that it would be heard on a public frequency if it was ... so I dont know.. all I can tell you is that the signal repeated every week during late night early morning ours on the same day every week for nearly 3 months.

I make no claims.. just putting it out there.

Nephra... there are tons of beacons out there spread all across the radio spectrum and primarily used to measure propogation at that frequency. Can you recall what radio band you were listening to at the time or what freq?

Although it seems likely, if not a foregone conclusion, that an advanced civiliation does not use RF-band communications. It's likely that they did at some point in their technological evolution. Look at us, for nearly 50 years, we have been transmitting television and radio signals over the airwaves and out into space.

As we evolve, however, we're using much different communications systems to increase SNR and bandwidth. Eventually, I foresee our world being silent in the RF-band, except for hobbyists and "legacy" type broadcasters.

If we're hunting for an alien race, then looking for their RF emissions isn't a bad way to go about it, but given that any signal we intercept would have been travelling for many years to many hundreds of years, it would be extremely unlikely that we point our dish in their direction at the time at the right time... if those signals are even perceivable at this great a distance. I think those signals get scattered by exotic matter in interstellar space, making the problem even more difficult.

In all likelihood, searching for ET's radio frequency won't get us anywhere.

Someone else might know a bit more about this, but I'm about to go to bed and can't be bothered digging up the information.

Apparently right at the beginning of SETI, some definite sort of signal was heard and subsequently never heard again. Some rumoured it to mean that once our neighbours knew we could listen in, they switched off. This doesn't quite work though as the radio waves would actually take years to reach us, perhaps thousands of years, so even if they did switch off straight away, we'd still be getting lots and lots of radio noise.

Another thing I can't be bothered digging up info for, is that SETI is not listening for alien "broadcasts". As a somewhat advanced society, we use a hell of a lot of electricity and electronic devices. You hear when you have a cell phone next to a stereo or TV? It interferes with your signal.
Theory goes that another advanced civilisation out there would use a lot of (hopefully) electrical energy too, and it's the interference caused by that electricity use that would turn up for SETI, like hearing static instead of nothing. Don't be expecting Sunday Night Top 40 Countdown.

RF? With interstellar Spaceships? Hmmm, not likely.

Perhaps they use some sort of quantum communication. I can't remeber the exact name for it, but it is basically quantum linking to particles together then separating them.

You can then use those particles to cummunicate over vast distances instantly.

Might be worth a google.....

Any ET species that is capable traveling to this planet most likely has mastered communicating with quantum mechanics. This is essentially the signal being in two places at the same time, i.e. teleportation. We have already been experimenting in this area.

A couple years ago some scientists in California managed to "teleport" a laser beam from one end of the lab to another using quantum mechanics, and if you can do that with light you can do it with a radio signal. Now while thats not extremely impressive it is a start, and any advanced ET race is likely using a similar technology (unless they have something better we haven't discovered yet.)

But as has already been eluded to, a signal like that would not be detectable as it never actually makes it to the airwaves. To detect it you would need something that can hack into and decipher quantum communications, which is something we are a LONG way from.

Although there may very well be ET's using sophisticated communications technologies that we haven't yet discovered , it is equally likely that there are civilisations out there who do use RF or where RF is a by-product of some other activity. There may be ET's who are or who have attempted to beacon, there may be ET's emitting RF by-products or, for their own reasons, they may be intentionally not transmitting to avoid discovery. Who knows?

I remember hearing on the radio once. I think it was coast to coast. It was a caller and he was probably full of it. But he said that spaceships (he didn't say which one) vibrated at the frequency of 167 kilohertz. Maybe they analyzed Billy Meier's tape of a spaceship sound. Don't know. That's a little too high for me to run on my frequency generator. But I'm not sure what a kilohertz is. I think it is a thousand so 167 kilohertz is 167,000 hertz.

You're correct. And that's a very high frequency. Typical audio speakers operate in the range of 20hz to 20khz. 167 khz would be WELL above the range of even the most extraordinary human hearing. I recall that the highest sound a person was ever capable of hearing was in the 20-40khz range, but that's extremely rare. Most adult humans hear in the range of about 25 hz to 15khz (our high frequency hearing begins to deteriorate as we get old).

Might it be possible that an advanced civilizations communication is done in the form of light waves? The possibility of remote locations that they might need to get messages in a very timely manner would point towards that direction. EHF would probably be the main method for their communications as it is in the extreme end of the spectrum and close to the frequency of light. might pack a massive punch of radiation though.

Radio frequency scale

So we might hear them communicate all the time, but we just don't know it or we don't know how to piece it together into something we could understand. Not only would we be seperated by the technology of communication but perhaps the way of communication. Birds communicate with chirps and whistles. Who knows what an alien's speech would sound like? Or if they even use something vaguely as speech. Perhaps they use their thoughts with a transmitter. Depends on how they developed their brains and bodies. Many factors come into play when dealing with the possibilty of Extraterrestrials. Like if they exist even. i don't doubt that its possible I just think we would be way off their chart of freindly and habital places to vist.




-Aza

[edit on 7-12-2005 by Azathoth]

Radio waves? I wonder if the aliens also use toilet paper...hmm

I highly doubt aliens use radio waves...much too slow if you ask me.

I don't see why every ET race has to be so advanced that they don't use radio. Sure, maybe there are races that have developed technologies beyond radio's capability.

Nikola Tesla, the inventor of radio, was studying ground currents and lightning spikes using, what today is known as, a ULF/ELF/VLF radio receivers. And indeed there are signals in this region which could have an extrasolar origin. Tesla was convinced that he had received morse-code like signals originating from what he thought was Mars. He claimed that he could signal Mars or any distance by modulating the Earth's electric field and thereby use the entire Earth as an antenna.

Tesla wanted to establish a two-way communication with Mars by sending sets of numbers followed by the sum of those numbers, indicating an intelligent source. But if the signal takes 50-100 years to reach the nearest intelligent civilisation (assuming there is one withing 50-100ly), it might be a bit much to attempt a two-way communication. I believe the human race should be transmitting many pictures in the form of bitmaps with very large borders (for alignment) using the Earth as the antenna and a suitable frequency to match the Earth's dipole.

After this we can be known throughout this part of the galaxy as the "postcard people," and not "those idiots in Sol who keep transmitting 50-60hz tones containing no information."

Originally posted by Unplugged
Radio waves? I wonder if the aliens also use toilet paper...hmm

I think they dump it in the pool... And blend it into the greenhouse tech-gear. Or maybe they suck it out.. Or maybe they just do it in their spacesuits..

About the radiowaves.. I don't think they use the trucker walkie..
I think they have some standard rules...And done by clockwork. And if they where to use a radiowave..Then it must be when they crash-land.. A distress-call...beep beep beep beep.. SOS...stuff.

I really think the toilet discussion are important... Though it's funny.. But every beast in this world do the pooh thing..

I think they do it in the pool...

Hey stumason, I agree with you I think they probably use some non local "spooky action at a distance" form of communication.
I think the SETI project is a nice idea but the chances that aliens use radio waves are pretty small.
IF their ships can go faster than light then I'm sure their communications signals would as well.
Maybe they would use neutrinos as they are not absorbed by matter?

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4for4:

I think you're thinking of the WOW signal...

www.planetary.org...

it was only heard once, and unless it is heard again we'll never really know what it was.

curent theory is that it was human space probe that no one at SETI knew about *shrugs*

Yes , i was thinking about the WOW signal of 1976. Has there been anything simmilar since??