Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Cost-To-Cast

Originally posted by SeldomSeen
I must respectfully disagree with your statement concerning someone going on C2C and worrying about their reputation or being discredited for life. C2C promotes individuals who have already been discredited.

Indeed. I used to be an avid listener, and really enjoyed the program, but over time the same old pattern became tiresome.

C2C has the potential to really dig into “alternative” topics and shine some light on them, and I used to consider that to be C2C's mission, but not anymore.

Still, I hold out hope. Maybe someday...

Hanging Together

Originally posted by SeldomSeen
I think Bill Ryan is in a tough situation, I firmly believe he is just trying to make public information that he honestly cannot verify as fact, yet he takes the time to bring it forth to be looked into by everyone who can and will, thanks Bill and hang in there.

Ditto. It is better to let a guilty man go free than to condemn an innocent man.

Even if Bill Ryan is deliberately being deceptive – which I am just not seeing at this point – I feel much more comfortable giving him the benefit of the doubt and letting this story develop as it will.

I don't like the idea that I might, by being a cynic, discourage anyone from presenting what they might see as truth – or possible truth – even if it may not agree with my own prejudices.

In fact, especially if it may not agree with my own prejudices.

To close my mind to unexpected possibilities would be to return to a path of darkness, and that is a path I have no desire to return to.

Deep See Anglers

Originally posted by SeldomSeen
And thanks to everyone on this forum for doing the research into every angle possible on this topic, what a great read and many lessons learned by all.

Irritating as it must be for me to be such a persistently exuberant and effusive ATS fanboi, I definitely have to agree with this.

While it's easy to focus overmuch on the worst ATS has to offer which appears in this thread, in my eyes it is brilliantly overshadowed by the best ATS has to offer, which also appears in this thread.

It's truly breathtaking to watch, exhilarating to be a part of, and something I want to see more of.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Considering the unethical use of human remains to clone not just that same human, but hybrid beings takes some getting used to. The Ebens must have some desperate need to have done this. Not only did they not ask permission from the team to go to work on 308, but they begged and pleaded for approval after the fact. Perhaps the begging and pleading was more to prevent conflict with the team, prevent ruining the exchange and relations with Earth/US.

The 2nd part of the cloning practice is the tidbit that 200+ other races have given(?) the Ebens cadavers to do the same. Is this in the Serpo account to convince us cloning/hybridization is ok "because everyone else is doing it" ? For me it depends on the context and motivations of the practice: Why would alien civilizations trade cadavers and the genetic secrets of their own race?

A possible answer is that it's a way to show friendship, trust, bonding between races. "Here is genetic material from one of our dead. It's our gift to you to do as you wish. We want you to know us and we will hold no secrets from you." Wow. What a huge gesture of TRUST. Exposing your own genome and biology to another race. How much more naked could you get?

So I'm curious that if this is a Galactic-wide cultural practice, how did the Ebens not follow protocol and ask permission of the team? Was there a mistranslation? Did the team's providing them blood samples lead the Ebens to believe they had carte blanche to take further samples (and everything else) from 308?

Anonymous, tell us the motivations, please. And thanks.

P.S. How are the photos coming ? I'm looking forward to trading Serpian Soccer Cards.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams

But...
WE, in other words, have to accept the reality of human-alien hybrids before we're told the whole story... and we probably have to be willing to live/work with them.

Am I right, Anonymous?

Two thoughts:

1. Is there any standard or quasi standard rough ranking 1-10 or % probability as to whether the forum members believe the post/story/experience to be genuine, or not? I'd think that such research from our significant forum membership would be valuable data, useful insight.

In a complex story such as this one, it might even be wise to list some major features of the story and ask members to rate each of them as to probability of authenticity.

2. I tend to take things at least somewhat at face value unless and until proven otherwise. That's a bit . . . risky in such a topic area. But, the most I have to lose is feeling duped. This story is certainly fascinating. And, I'm happy to extende lots of grace and the benefit of the doubt.

But part of me wonders if there's some way to have a running side-bar or some such that would briefly, perhaps graphically keep posted verification efforts, logic, proofs or evidence of hoax etc. Maybe it would be too much trouble.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
To be serious, I wonder if Bill has specific orders to not release any more posts from Anon until we've come to accept the 'shocking' revelation that Ebens make weird clones and hybrids.

More likely, Anon will give new information to Bill only when he's satisfied with the reaction from his old information. Lets not be naive and think that Anon does not have access to forums such as this, although there's no way to know whether he reads them.

Well, Ok... let's talk about it. Was it unethical to use 308's body without permission? Yes.

Isn't that overly anthropomorphic? Can we equate human and alien peceptions of ethics? Do we ascribe to the same ethics that lab rats might have with respect to stuffing them full of whatever new chemical we want to add to soft drinks, just to see if it turns them green, causes cancer, or gives them gas? I don't want to say that humans are lab rats in the Eben equation, but we're hypothesizing about an alien species and what they view as "ethical". Even here on earth, what would the consensus to your question be? We have people who refuse to have their photographs taken (Amish, for example) -- can we truly generalize about our own species, let alone an alien one?

Just a thought.. not sure what to make of it.

probably a silly question but..

you'd thinkwww.Serpo.org would have been updated with a "HOAX" comment by the creators..

surely it would be too tempting to openly advertise it if the cat is already out of the bag.

I have not read muc of the story but I personally only beleive in what I see and experience.

As others have said, (regardless of my opinion about Serpo and it's devout followers..) it is only a as much as a hoax as it is potentially a true story.. this claimed as a hoax carries as much weight as the story itself as it is based on as much evidence.

Speak to this "Bill Ryan" character and see what he base his belief of this story on..

(also, this story was great way to raise the profile of corporate ATS - will help with selling the "TV show" or selling advertising space no doubt now that it has increased publicity on the web.

Maybe this is proper propaganda!)

$0.02

[edit on 31/1/06 by Klepto]

This might have been addressed, perhaps this ties in?

Anyone remember UK's NASA hacker 39-year-old Gary McKinnon?
He claimed to have found evidence from the US Space Command
"I found a list of officers' names, under the heading 'Non-Terrestrial Officers'."

www.techspot.com...

(Take off your skepticals for a minute and take a journey to the dark side of the moon. A place where fantasy meets reality and fact is indeed stranger than fiction. We will explore strange new threads. Seek answers. And boldly resurrect played out sci-fi cliches.)

On tonight's intriguing episode of 'Beyond the Hoax', we will explore the alien agenda.

First, we must clear up a few things that may not have been clear in previous episodes. We'll start our journey with the Ebens themselves. The Ebens are the Gray/Human hybrids. That's why they don't fit the description offered in abduction cases. And why there are more 'human' qualities in the Ebens than with the Grays.

Next we'll take a closer look at Serpo. Serpo is home to just one part of the total operation. It's an exchange center and one of many cloning facilities. The Grays themselves aren't very good hosts. But add some human qualities to them and they do a decent job.

On a side note, Team Leader agrees to give up some of his hero vanguard dna to be spliced with EBE2's. The goo grew. And that entity became the first Human/Dog/Monkey/Bird/Reptilian/Human/Gray Hybrid. Now, let's leave Serpo and enjoy our newly installed stargate and grab a quick burger back on Earth.

Feels good to be back home. Too bad it's overrun by emotionless entities that view us as nothing more than decent genetic material. I guess no trip around the block would be complete without addressing the alien bases on Earth and surrounding territory. Consider them addressed.

And so concludes a small segment of the alien agenda. We hope you have enjoyed the journey and remember "Everything can Change, in a Serpo Minute".

[edit on 1/31/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by Valhall
I'm just wondering if when a thread gets to the point that the posters are postulating about the impromptu rigging of menstrual products on an alien planet does that mean we've turned a corner?

And if so, exactly what corner have we turned?

This has become quite the Tantric Sex Thread of alien exchange programs, hasn't it?

Serously, though, I believe we have made progress. Through the critical thought process, discussion, and collective reasoning, we have (again, collectively) made a good case for at least part of the story having been fabricated. If nothing else, this would allow us to eliminate the possibilty that the entire story is true (note, this does not preclude the possibility that the entire story is false).

I personally hope the best is yet to come, and if, in the end, we know which elements of the story are true and what purpose the release of this information served, IMHO every twist and turn this story -- and this thread -- have taken will all have been worthwhile.

I was quite dissapointed to see how this thread turned into such a hostile and closed-minded collection of posters over the last many pages.

I've had to waste about two hours reading through the drivel of the 'underclassmen' of this forum. And I do not appreciate it.

This may seem like I am merely complaining for the sake of it, but I am not. I've been careful not to reply until I read the entire chunk I had missed. I wanted to put the 'chapman' thing in perspective, but reigned myself in (glad I did since it was solved hours before I logged in).

I plead to other members of this discussion to please respect the other readers in this thread and not post for the sake of posting. Many have been lost along the way and this just compounds the problem. I assure you, I have read every post in this massive thread and sometimes feel dumber after.

The only real gem in the last 50 pages has been Valhall's use of the term 'cheap dildo'. Since I felt the same way (although for different reasons).

Please try to make sure you add something to your post. If not for me, at least in respect of working this thing out, as we have probably lost many readers today.

BTW, thank you to the poster who wrote of his experience as a scholar in respect to chapman's posts. This is a poster of my own ilk. If I have nothing to add, I will adstain.

In closing, to those who would say "But your post is an example of what you are spouting off about!"

Keep in mind that I have made approximately 5 posts in 169 pages of this thread. I ask you, how many have you made?

PS

Bill Ryan is a very patient and dedicated man.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams

I think that most religious people will be upset (in fact, I think that you can predict their reaction based on their opinion of stem cell research or abortion) by such a revelation... but I think the average person around the globe would just go about their daily lives.
(snip)
So... my guess is that the gov -- if it really is involved in this -- wants us to accept what I just talked about above before it can reveal the whole story to the public. WE, in other words, have to accept the reality of human-alien hybrids before we're told the whole story... and we probably have to be willing to live/work with them.

Very insightful...

No-one has really explored that impact directly yet. In the first place, I would think humankind would be severely disgusted by the idea of a human/alien hybred. It would impact our notions of racism. Human race-ism on a totally new scale.

How would your neighbours, town councils, cops, etc. react to such a being? Would you accept such an individual into your home or would you prefer they were isolated from you and your family? These are deep-rooted psychological problems. Imagine the implications if they were established as leaders in our communities because they are genetically altered to be more intelligent!

Secondly, how does some-one who is deeply religious accept aliens? Can they fit into the parameters of the dogma that 'God created man in His image'? To further tamper with human/alien clones and present them to a person of that particular faith would no doubt cause them a great amount
of discomfort.

This is not a problem for me, since I'm not of that mindset...but what impact will such a discovery have? If there is an 80% truth to the Serpo story, how do you see it affecting the society you live in?

edit for spelling
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[edit on 31-1-2006 by masqua]

No-one has really explored that impact directly yet. In the first place, I would think humankind would be severely disgusted by the idea of a human/alien hybred. It would impact our notions of racism. Human race-ism on a totally new scale.

How would your neighbours, town councils, cops, etc. react to such a being?

I personally wouldn't be too bothered by it. But the little old lady down the road might!

[edit on 31-1-2006 by RiotComing]

I may not have a brain the size of a planet either but at least I'm not a pompous git. 5 posts is plenty , one too many actually.

Is this a complete hoax, or are there some parts true??

I would like to address my fellow skeptics and debunkers and fans *smile*

I have been in direct correspondence with an unnamed infamous source this past night. I believe he is being square and fair with me.

So I’m letting you guys know this.

THERE IS FAR MORE GOING ON BEHIND THE STAGE CURTIAN OF THE SERPO PLAY THEN WE ARE BEING LET PRIVY TO AT THIS MOMENT.

IT HAS ALL THE BRASS AND FORMER BRASS ON VICTORS LIST CHATTERING BACK AND FORTH AS THEY COMMUNICATE BACK AND FORTH HAVING THEIR EYE BROWS PERKED BY SERPO.

THEY DON”T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF S.E.R.P.O. HOAX OR REAL THE JURY IS OUT.

Yet

Imprssion: I am getting:

THERE HAS BEEN *A* HAUL BREECH IN THE USS.COVER-UP AND SHE’S TAKING ON WATER IN THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES!


I am asking the Skeptics, debunkers to stand down for at least a few months. EVERYONE wants Ryan’s source talking and not driven off nor spooked off. So if disclosure is what you want and it is what we ALL want. Then please stand down for a time.

That is all.

Don’t ask me for anything else guys you won’t get it. My lips are sealed as well as my fingers.
Hackers don’t bother I NEVER keep electronic media of any importance.

Nightshade 09

Thank you nightshade ....

For saying absolutely nothing!

For those who are paying attention ^this is the 'lowerclassmen' I spoke of in my previous post. So for those who got miffed by my comments, read this poster's airclaims and know that if you do not make similar posts, you are cool with me.

Originally posted by masqua

Secondly, how does some-one who is deeply religious accept aliens? Can they fit into the parameters of the dogma that 'God created man in His image'? To further tamper with human/alien clones and present them to a person of that particular faith would no doubt cause them a great amount
of discomfort.

Here’s the thing...

Couldn't sleep and Masqua got me thinking,

I consider myself to be relatively comfortable with my own religious beliefs and usually pretty tolerant of other religious expressions. (However, the concept of a “holy war” bugs me.) None-the-less, Bill’s assumptive association with Scientology seemed to me to be a mute point. Say he was Jehovah’s Witness? Don’t they have a big problem with blood transfusions, let alone the distribution of body parts? Or say he was Mormon? Don’t they believe God creative life on other planets? (Anyone belonging to these faith’s, please correct me if I’m wrong.) Everyone’s personal belief will taint their subjectiveness but not necessarily promote an agenda.

Perhaps it may be more constructive to explore the beliefs of the Eben race rather than our own. If I take the story at face value, I find it fascinating that the inhabitants of Serpo worship a Supreme Being, live in global peace and apparently don’t age. We were told that they had life cycles and did die (therefore they are not immortal) however, we have also been informed that the earth visitors found it impossible to judge the Eben’s age. This leads me to conclude that the Eben’s have a very long life cycle. Apparently humans, at one time, also had a very long life cycle. If we take the Bible also at face value, we read that “in the beginning” people lived for hundreds of years (a fellow named Methuselah apparently lived 969 years!) Now I realize that the Bible is even more controversial than Project Serpo, but for the sake of discussion, let me take this speculative leap. Is it possible the Eben race was somehow transported from our Earth during this biblical period of “extended life”? Or would that concept be more disturbing to people of faith than farming clones?

Originally posted by OCD DETECTIVE


I consider myself to be relatively comfortable with my own religious beliefs and usually pretty tolerant of other religious expressions. (However, the concept of a “holy war” bugs me.) None-the-less, Bill’s assumptive association with Scientology seemed to me to be a mute point. Say he was Jehovah’s Witness? Don’t they have a big problem with blood transfusions, let alone the distribution of body parts? Or say he was Mormon? Don’t they believe God creative life on other planets? (Anyone belonging to these faith’s, please correct me if I’m wrong.) Everyone’s personal belief will taint their subjectiveness but not necessarily promote an agenda.

I'm not a Jehovah Witness my self, but a good friend of mine is, and it is very true about the blood transfusion. He and his family carry cards in their wallets to specify that no matter how ill they are they should not have any one elses blood put into their body. Even if he's son or daughter is dying he would not allow them to have a tranfusion. He says it's too do with keeping your blood pure.

Thanks

Originally posted by DodgeG1

Originally posted by OCD DETECTIVE


I consider myself to be relatively comfortable with my own religious beliefs and usually pretty tolerant of other religious expressions. (However, the concept of a “holy war” bugs me.) None-the-less, Bill’s assumptive association with Scientology seemed to me to be a mute point. Say he was Jehovah’s Witness? Don’t they have a big problem with blood transfusions, let alone the distribution of body parts? Or say he was Mormon? Don’t they believe God creative life on other planets? (Anyone belonging to these faith’s, please correct me if I’m wrong.) Everyone’s personal belief will taint their subjectiveness but not necessarily promote an agenda.

I'm not a Jehovah Witness my self, but a good friend of mine is, and it is very true about the blood transfusion. He and his family carry cards in their wallets to specify that no matter how ill they are they should not have any one elses blood put into their body. Even if he's son or daughter is dying he would not allow them to have a tranfusion. He says it's too do with keeping your blood pure.

Thanks

That seems terribly stupid. Even if it is religious belief.

[edit on 1/31/2006 by idbltrl001]

lol!

forgive me.

i really don't want to rake over the coals, but there's a few clams unbaked!


regarding the messenger:

ok, a religion or spiritual belief is not relevant per se. however, this particular belief (ie the philosophy of ron hubbard) is very much embroiled in the 'alien hybrid' theory and has many other serpo issue specific corelations, and as such is something which sends out alarm bell when it is disclosed many, many messages later.

bill, if you knew that 'it' would be found, it would have been wise to pre-empt, earlier, any later sudden 'ron's.org' disclosure regarding your active role in the uk. no? you sort of did this earlier by telling us everything about you, career, age, location, cv, work etc,.. but missing out the hubbard philosophy/current active involvement with ron's.org uk connection - and given the v.strong serpo corelations?! - well, maybe it's just me......

it has also been raised, by yourself, bill, that victor may well have been "set up" by a scientology sting. i would say, given your inclusion on the scientology 'enemy list', that if anyone is going to be 'set up' by the scientologists here, it would be bill ryan. had you considered this? was there a reason why you thought victor was more at risk of this than you?

ok, so i think that it was very unfortunate that the messenger was not as 'open and honest' as he perhaps should have been under the circumstances of his position and role.

and that, imo, has lead to further water muddying, and ultimately put a significant 'doubt' value with the audience as to what the messenger is or isn't prepared to share with the audience.







[edit on 31-1-2006 by lucianarchy]

I don't think Bill should have to answer any questions about his beliefs.

I have a really hard time fathoming the prospects of some Scientologists making up the whole Serpo thing on Victors list with the intention of defaming Bill Ryan!

Lets move on shall we...

About Hybrids , I seem to recall something in the Bible about Angels from Heaven with a preference for the Daughters of Eve or something to that effect.

About Cloning , I fully expect that in 40 years or so I'll grow myself a new liver!






[edit on 31-1-2006 by lost_shaman]