Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by gingerladHe was born in 1914 and as far as I know is still a master of the pen, so it's a strong possibilty that Chapman is who he claims to be.

he's 91 and he's posting here?

it explains the one post and disappearance. he's probably resting from all that typing.

CHAPMAN PINCHER has been a leading journalist for thirty years, specializing in political disclosure, particularly in the fields of Intelligence, security and defence. Indeed, his own Intelligence has been the envy - and dismay - of a succession of Governments. This novel, his sixth, draws on that expertise and also on his considerable historical knowledge. In 1966 Chapman Pincher was nominated Reporter of the Decade. He is married with two grown-up children and lives in an ancient farmhouse in Surrey. His recreations, apart from writing, are studying Italian history, fishing, shooting and building stone walls.

Too Secret Too Long
by Chapman Pincher
St. Martin's, 638 pp., $19.95

'Too long,' certainly; page after page after page, many laboring the same point--or allegation--and none relieved by fine writing. 'Too secret'? Is it a secret that two British diplomats, Burgess and Maclean, defected to the Russians in 1951? That they had long served as KGB agents? That they had a collaborator, Kim Philby, who defected later? That they had all been at Cambridge together? That there were other Cambridge contemporaries who betrayed their country or were inclined to do so? That three members of the wartime nuclear research team, Fuchs, Pontecorvo, and Nunn May--German, Italian, and British by birth--also conveyed secrets to the Russians? That Sir Anthony Blunt, surveyor of the Queen's pictures and a world expert on Poussin, was more recently revealed to have been a Russian agent and stripped of his knighthood? That there have been half a dozen other lesser British spy scandals over the years since 1945? If any of this remains hidden to anyone who may chance on Chapman Pincher's new book, it will only be because he or she has spent the last thirty years on a desert island or reflexively turns to another section of the newspaper when the word 'spy,' 'missing diplomat,' 'MI5,' or 'MI6' catches his gaze.

Hi BILL

I have been following this story with interest and I am wondering why dont you just ask to get the whole story from “Anonymous” before you release anymore information? I don’t mind the wait… The world will still be here by the time you have it all……hopefully!

The latest posting reads like the commander of the group is under hypnosis or something. It reads like a transcript from an audio tape. My initial thoughts are that the story could be true, I know there are ET beings “out there” and fear and paranoia aside, I guess what their “agenda” is with us will soon become clear to everyone, I hope. If we really did put human beings born on this planet onto another world in a different star system where everything “changes” including our individual perception and meaning of TIME itself, integrating with an intelligent, advanced civilisation can you imagine the impact on the human collective unconscious? C.G.Jung would have a field day! What if the 2 who never came back decide to come back on their own accord, that is of course if they are still alive, which they could well be considering they perhaps wouldn’t age like we do on Earth…. Do you think they would want to land on an airstrip in New Mexico or Nevada and be greeted by a military presence? I seriously doubt it! I imagine they would have “evolved” by now (perfectly natural thing to do considering their environment) and figured it all out – Imagine this possibility, 2 humans (perhaps male and female?) returning home in their own ship to tell a few people the good news that they made it and then off they go again. Its like Adam and Eve all over again… These are very strange times indeed!

From Amazon.com

Too Secret, Too Long

by Chapman Pincher
(Rate this item)
Other Editions: Hardcover | Paperback | See all (3)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $0.45


2. My Life As a Real Dog: By Dido
by Chapman Pincher
Avg. Customer Rating:
(Rate this item)
Other Editions: Hardcover

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $1.10


3. THEIR TRADE/TREACH/
by Chapman Pincher (Paperback - February 1, 1988)
(Rate this item)
Other Editions: Paperback - February 1982 | Unknown Binding | See all (3)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $0.31


4. Tight Lines
by Chapman Pincher (Hardcover - November 2001)
(Rate this item)

Special Order
List Price: $45.00
Buy new: $45.00
Used & new from $64.22


5. Life's a Bitch!: A Canine Commentary on Human Affairs
by Chapman Pincher
(Rate this item)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $50.40


6. Five Lives in One: An Insider's View of the Defence and Intelligence World (Into Battle)
by R. Benjamin CB, Chapman Pincher (Hardcover - June 1996)
(Rate this item)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $113.40


7. Pastoral Symphony
by Chapman Pincher
(Rate this item)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $17.25


8. A Box of Chocolates
by Dido, Chapman Pincher
(Rate this item)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $8.00


9. The truth about dirty tricks: From Harold Wilson to Margaret Thatcher
by Chapman Pincher
(Rate this item)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $16.07


10. Contamination
by Chapman Pincher
(Rate this item)

Usually ships within 1-2 business days
Used & new from $10.97




Chapman likes dogs

Originally posted by Crakeur
another thing that bugged me but not as much was his use of the word reposte. I'm sure he meant riposte but, again, it seems so"unamerican" to use a fencing term. if you change the word to response and you use cozy instead of cosy the whole thing sounds more americanized.

Riposte is also a term used a a large number of computer games nowadays, particularly online role playing games. This guy could just as easily have been a college kid taking a break from playing Everquest as a true insider.

Nevertheless, I think there's something that's interesting about his words. Could this be true? Sure. Have there been rumors about such things being true? Yup (I heard this same thing a long time ago, but never got to see the work-product). Has Chapman "ended" the discussion? No. And I don't think he intended to.

If Chapman's story was the definitive answer and he wanted us to know that, if he was the "real thing", he could persuade us. He certainly wouldn't persuade is with a "post and run" attack

No... Chapman wanted to sow the seed of doubt. His words could just as easily be disinformation as anything we should rely on.

Am I suspicious? Yes. I expect to fine that the author he mentions had some connections with intelligence (looking into that S.O.)... but does that mean she authored Serpo? No. Is Chapman hoping we find the connection of the author to the government and then INFER that she wrote Serpo? Yes, I think so anyway.

Originally posted by Centrist
No... Chapman wanted to sow the seed of doubt. His words could just as easily be disinformation as anything we should rely on.

I agree, but it still doesn't hurt to look into the author mentioned.

I think Serpentime makes a valid point as to how chapman couldn't have seen the story in 1970, if the team members did not return until 1978.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit:

The point made also questions that this is a disinfo program from the 60's, and I have to agree, unless it is a current ongoing program. The author is obviously privy to recent various UFO and alien theories and ties them in somewhat. If it is a current program, why would it be so poorly written, and why hold back on the photos? Why not back it up with some documents? If it is to disinform the "enemy", are they buying it? I doubt it. This leads me to think this is an experiment to track how the story spreads, and who is interested.

[edit on 1/26/2006 by Hal9000]

Has anyone heard of Chapman befor this.

I not really a book worn

Originally posted by Serpentime

Originally posted by chapman
However these are not real events that are being described although the document they come from is real. I saw this information in 69 or 70 in Whitehall. Originally it was a CIA document authored by a lady named Alice Bradley Sheldon. It's main purpose if you will parden the phrase was to "scare the crap out of the Soviets" in response to them scaring the crap out of us.

...The Serpo report was part of the CIAs reposte to this and an attempt to trump the Soviets.

I know that this this theory has been making the rounds lately (that "Project Serpo" is some relic, 1960's, CI program), but to me, there is just one GLARING problem with this analysis...


The entire "Project Serpo" story is defined by an expedition leaving Earth in the year 1965, and returning, thirteen years later, in 1978!!

The Final Report has also been referenced by an individual outside of "ANON", and the date is agreed to be 1980.

Were the KGB and the GRU genuinely meant to twiddle their thumbs all that time waiting for the team's return??

Rather than argue further, I will merely put this to everyone else' judgement:

If YOU were a Soviet analyst--in the year, say, 1969--and Collection had just offered YOU an American Debriefing report about a trip to another star system (Never mind Neil Armstrong...!!) that was purported to have been written eleven years in the future, what would YOU think??


I think I would say "NYET"!!

[And in that case, why would CIA/DIA even bother??]


In my humble opinion (barring any compelling evidence), this theory represents a significant failure of logic...


My thoughts,

Serpentime

We need to find out from Mr. Pincher when this alleged CI work was supposedly written by Mrs. Sheldon. She killled (mercy-had alzheimers) her husband and took her own life in 1987. The fact stated above by Serpentime is very relevant to whether this is a work of Sheldons fiction that someone has adopted and modified for current DisInfo or a 1960's era document designed for CI. I think that the dates involved with the Serpo info at this point shoots the latter down.

If it is a long lost work of fiction from Mrs. Sheldon that is being used for current DisInfo purposes, I really do think that the intelligence community of todays world could have picked something or created something on their own that would have made a heck of a lot more sense than using the Serpo story. Serpo as it reads so far to me seems to be a work locked in the vernacular of the 1960's, which admittedly could be faked.

WHOFLUNGGUM wrote:

Regarding the missing crew member 308!

If this crew member was a female as has been summized, then I do think it very odd that the team Skipper didn't notice that one of the only two earthling females on board the space craft was missing.

If you read the transcript it says...

Ok, get organized. Told 203 to round up all crew. Found 308 missing. Must be the dead crew member. Ebe1 came back and lead me to 308. He was in bowl, something like coffin. 700 and 754 will examine 308. Ebe 1 cautioned us no to take 308 out. Don’t understand the caution. 700 and 754 is here. I try to tell Ebe 1 that these guys are our doctors and must examine 308. Ebe 1 said no, because of infection. I guess 308 must have had some sort of infection and it could be contagious. But is 308 dead? Don’t know. We will take Ebe1 advice. 700 and 754 just looked into the bowl and said it looks like 308 is dead. Everyone else looks ok. The fluids and biscuit must have contained some type of energy food. We can focus our eyes and can actually think. No one can remember how we got into this room.

I hope that clears that up.....

I believe the whole of post 12 is a transcript of someone who is under hypnosis.... I would be surprised if he had managed to keep his log or journal going for 13 years......and whether any of it would actually make any sense!

James Tiptree, Jr." was born Alice Bradley in Chicago in 1915. Her mother was the writer Mary Hastings Bradley; her father, Herbert, was a lawyer and explorer. Throughout her childhood she travelled with her parents, mostly to Africa, but also to India and Southeast Asia. Her early work was as an artist and art critic. During World War II she enlisted in the Army and became the first American female photointelligence officer. In Germany after the war, she met and married her commanding officer, Huntington D. Sheldon. In the early 1950s, both Sheldons joined the then-new CIA; he made it his career, but she resigned in 1955, went back to college, and earned a Ph.D. in experimental psychology.

At about this same time, Alli Sheldon started writing science fiction. She wrote four stories and sent them off to four different science fiction magazines. She did not want to publish under her real name, because of her CIA and academic ties, and she intended to use a new pseudonym for each group of stories until some sold. They started selling immediately, and only the first pseudonym—"Tiptree" from a jar of jelly, "James" because she felt editors would be more receptive to a male writer, and "Jr." for fun—was needed. (A second pseudonym, "Raccoona Sheldon," came along later, so she could have a female persona.)

Tiptree quickly became one of the most-respected writers in the field, winning the Hugo Award for "The Girl Who was Plugged In" and "Houston, Houston, Do You Read?," and the Nebula Award for "Love is the Plan, the Plan is Death" and "Houston, Houston." Raccoona won the Nebula for "The Screwfly Solution," and Tiptree won the World Fantasy Award for the collection Tales from the Qunitana Roo.

The Tiptree fiction reflects Alli Sheldon's interests and concerns throughout her life: the alien among us (a role she portrayed in her childhood travels), the health of the planet, the quality of perception, the role of women, love, death, and humanity's place in a vast, cold universe. An award in Tiptree's name has celebrated science fiction that "expands and explores gender roles" for ten years now.

Alice Sheldon died in 1987 by her own hand. Writing in her first book about the suicide of Hart Crane, she said succinctly: "Poets extrapolate."

Maybe she didnt Kill herself,but was murdered.

We need to know her cause of Death

Originally posted by Fred_S
Maybe she didnt Kill herself,but was murdered.

We need to know her cause of Death

Link to the AP Obituary.

Isn't this odd?
Bill Ryan lives in the UK too.


The member registered with a UK-based email account. That would explain it.

I removed this post because of double posting, sorry..

[edit on 26-1-2006 by MagicaRose]

Name: SHELDON, Alice Hastings Bradley Aged: 71
Born: August 24, 1915 Where: Chicago, Illinois
Died: May 19, 1987 Where: McLean, Virginia
Married: William Davey When: 1934 (div 1938)
Married #2: Huntington Denton Sheldon When: 1945
Interred: _ _ _
Awarded: Hugo for "The Girl Who Was Plugged In"(1974 Novella). A Hugo & Nebula for "Houston, Houston, Do You Read?" (1976 Novella). Nebulas for "Love is the Plan..."(1973 Short Story), and "The Screwfly Solution" (1977 Novelette).


For whatever reasons, on May 19, 1987, Alice ended the life of her blind, bedridden, 84 year old husband with a gunshot wound to the head and then took her own life in the same way. Not an easy thing to do, even for a trained professional. But it was the romantic thing to do; Alli and Ting served together, lived together, and ended together. As planned


Does somone know if she planned to kill herself beforehand

Muder/suicide is very easy to fake.

It ends any futher investigation and covers everything up

I really shouldnt say anything untill we know more

But I do find this very strange


Maybe I'm going on a wild goose chase


This Woman won awards for her writting

Does anyone think the Serpo story could win a Sceince Fiction Award?

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Fred_S]

Originally posted by Anon
My next posting of information will be the actual journal entries of one Team Member. Each Team Member was required to keep a journal. I will provide a partial journal entry (since the journals are attachments to the original report, they contain hundreds of pages of written entries). I will provide a few days or possibly a week's worth of entries from one Team Member.

This is posting 10A from serpo.org.

This seems to suggest that Anon is actually posting the journal entries word for word. I guess he could be receiving the entries through an audio source, but I get the impression that he has the actual journals along with the report. The above would also dismiss the hypnosis idea, which I initially thought was a good explanation.

IMO, if this is true, than Anon is transcribing the exact wording of the journal to electronic format without tampering with the original entries. The style of the entries may be due to space sickness, disorientation, and maybe just pure excitement.

is it not possible that the "script" was an ongoing project? in other words, feed russia intel that we discovered craft with a live alien or two. feed intel that we have treated and healed the alien(s) and have established communications with them. feed intel that now we are in the process of exchanging scientific knolwedge of space travel etc.

an ongoing scare the pants off of Ivan program?

Originally posted by Fred_S
For whatever reasons, on May 19, 1987, Alice ended the life of her blind, bedridden, 84 year old husband with a gunshot wound to the head and then took her own life in the same way. Not an easy thing to do, even for a trained professional. But it was the romantic thing to do; Alli and Ting served together, lived together, and ended together. As planned

Here's a quote from the obit that was previously supplied:

The police said Mrs. Sheldon had been depressed about the illness of her husband, who had gone blind this year and was bedridden. She called her lawyer to warn him to call police, the spokesman said.

Maybe I'm totally wrong here - but I challenge anyone to find an example of someone asking someone they know to call the police before committing a murder/suicide??? Why would she care if the cops show up or not - she'll be dead. Maybe she wanted someone to find them... but I'm very curious exactly what she told her lawyer when she asked him to call the police.

Sounds more to me like she had been threatened just before her and her husband were murdered.

Can someone reiterate the link between this woman and the serpo story...maybe I missed that in all of the previous posts. Is someone suggesting that she might have had a hand in the writing of this "fiction"? Does anyone have a sample of her writing on hand....

-rdube02

Somehow I feel this thread has gone off-topic.