Above Top Secret War Game Scenario

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
What chance is there India will get involved in the war?

Every chance if you wish to represent them!

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
How long to ship it to theatre?

Well, this is purely opinion, but...

The NG guy cites the time to Iraq as "a few months" for the working ground based system they have at the sands. I figure that the longer distance to SK is offset by the greater logistical systems and infrastructure in place in SK. Generally, I would take "a couple" to discribe 2-3 months, and "a few" as 3-4.

As for the smaller mobile system, they say 1 year max for the prototype and then 1 every 2 months at 25 million after that. I'd say in "war time" that time frame might get cut in half with the output limited only by how many are desired, but the time frame on that is very speculative. I mean, they predict it "before the end of 2006". Well, that could be 4 months from now, or 11...but that is under peace time conditions. During war, you figure funding increases and systems that have had over 50 succesfull tests like this would be given a lot of priority and rushed to service.

Of course, this could all change if that "axis" powers were to gain control of the shipping lanes and/or air superiority.

Again, thats just my opinion.

Having them from beforehand and requesting them during a time of elevated tensions are two totally different things. Rushing to arm yourselves in a tense situation like this can only lead to itchy fingers pulling triggers.

True. However, I have offered that my request for nukes would be recinded if Russia took it's open ended offer to NK off the table. In addition, it is commonly accpeted that the North is the more aggresive of the two Koreas.

At this stage you are not sure if war can be averted or not? Yes, we all know military conflict is set to break out, but in a real situation you wouldn't know that.

Very true, and I will try to play that part to the best of my abilities.

It certainly is, but when you are in bed with the US like Korea is, you sort of assume they, having troops and assets based there, will render any assistance, nuclear or otherwise, if needed.

Again, I would point to Vietnam as an example.

The simple fact is that if SK were to gain nuclear arms, there is no way (in real life) Russia or China would participate in an invasion, and old man Kim would be a hell of a lot more weary then he is now.

Who exactly would be capable of doing that, bar the countries in the region who are now being represented by players? No need for the Judges to get involved.

Other then the UK, the rest of Europe to start with. In addition, many allies of the US in the ME, such as Saudi Arabia. South American nations like Brazil. And don't forget the pacifist Canadians to the US north.

The worlds a big place

You may. We were working behind the scenes trying to set things up while you guys were having all the fun!!!!

How very right you are, and I must say it is admirable to take the position that demands such work with little "play".

I did not mean to sound ungreatfull, it is just that I got the impression that I was about to get dissowned by the world, when my nuclear proliferation was strictly reactionary to the Russian-NK nuclear build up.

EDIT: Fix quotes and inccorect time frame given for the smaller MTHEL

[edit on 9-12-2005 by American Mad Man]

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy

Every chance if you wish to represent them!

Then I guess I am now India!!!

What do you want me to do?

May I offer that if Sweat wants to join in, he should do so on an existing nation.

As it is, we need more players for Russia, Taiwan, and probably the UK. These nations have been relatively quiet thus far, and adding a player to one of them will keep this game more active as well as more focused. Also, from a pure practicality stand point, the more nations we add, the more complicated the games become.

In addition, if we are trying to keep this realistic, India would have a hard time getting involved, as they share equally significant ties with Russia and the US, and most likely would not want to get on eithers bad side. I strongly doubt India would want to break economic bonds with either nation.

As it is, if we are going to be adding another nation, I would suggest Australia as a much more likely particepent in the war.

The UK is sorted, btw I assume full command of her majesty's forces for 2 night while the boss is out.

The defense of South Korea has been fully prepared and stands ready to resist any Chinese, PRNK, and/or Russian assualt across the DMZ.

A no-fly, no-sail area in and 20 miles around ROK remains and all intruders will be fired on without warning.

All ROK waters should be considered extremely hazardous and should be avoided.

Preliminary Mobilization of active reserves has begun. All other reservists are on high alert.

The Russian Federation will lauch 4 MiG-23's and 2 MiG-29 to survay the DMZ and TRF will respect all no fly and sail zones

The UK army is now dispatching The First Division(Consisting of the 4th, 7th, and 20th armoured brigades and the 102nd Logistics Brigade) to the Korean Penninsula along with the 16th Air Assault Brigade and the A & B Squadrons of the 22nd SAS to increase combat effectivness and a defensive abilities. The UK will not initiate any hostile actions but is going to support her allies and will reatalliate heavily if attacked.

Ok, the game has been paused for quite some time now.. and I'm just checking in to see what's been achieved since then..

Any rulesets? .. I mean.. any at all?

Because from what I've gathered over 32 pages, there has been absolutly no direction whatsoever in this thread.

It seemed like a real good idea.. but the judges cant judge a game that has absolutly no rules.

And you can't make the rules up as you go.

Huh, imagine that.

If a ruleset is not publicly announce by next weekend, I am pulling myself (before I even started) out of the game. And that's a damn shame because in the few days that I've played the game, I've managed to acheive a guarentee that I'd be a huge turning point in the war.

Sorry to any teams I made arrangements with... but the game has been paused for over 2 weekends now, yet, everyone is still playing.

Damn shame.

To sweatmonicaido..
I'm, pretty sure China has air-refueling capability
And decent AWACS too.
Another question:
Has Russia taken sides here?
I thought it was sitting on the fence as of now.
If so, no harm India participating, as in a eal world scenario, India and Australia would be very eager to get involved, politically of course!Military deployment in pacific theatre is unlikely.
But since the americans has carried out activity on chaina's western borders (Kahzhakistan,Afghanistan etc.) India would be very much alert in that region.
I nominate sweatmonicaido for India, if the judges allow India's inclusion in this war game.
Mind you SMID(sweatmonicaido ), India's role will/should be mostly in the capacity of diplomatic negotiator , unless of course one finds chinese subs lurking around in the bay of Bengal and pushing towards diego Garcia etc etc.
This most probably shouldn't happen as all US supply routes for the pacific conflict are PACOM handled.
Also Australia shouldn't be included in this game IMHO since the chinese dude in this conflict is Australian and has already stated that Australia is neutral, and is selling uranium to china!!

Originally posted by American Mad Man
As it is, we need more players for Russia, Taiwan, and probably the UK. These nations have been relatively quiet thus far, and adding a player to one of them will keep this game more active as well as more focused. Also, from a pure practicality stand point, the more nations we add, the more complicated the games become.

I started representing Taiwan about 2 weekends ago. I've spent several days working with other teams in the background. Taiwan is not up for grabs.. take it off the list.

Ok, so since we have to take time to transport troops and equipment. How long would it take to get an entire division and an airborne brigade to South Korea from England. I mean given troops and things like weapons and initial loadouts can be flown in, and the armor being taken in by sea. Would it be realistic to say the troops can be there in 4-5 days, and the armor and heavy equipment in say 1.5-2 months?

we have 264 tanks to open, which btw, we have no transport for.
We have no way to transport them, the infantry yes but the tanks no.

Sorry for the delay, I had better explain the situation.

I am totally lost and have been doing the lion's share of this and the truth is, I have a life and work as well. I am off this week on a business trip and will have very limited time to do anything but comment from time to time.

I wanted to compile a map with all the units, but the information given to me was very sparse, i.e. a rough daub on a map and a list of ships. Only one side even bothered describing the layout of their fleet. To continue, I need more info. If you want to just give it a go at the current level of info, I will be preparing two threads to offshoot from this one. The first will cover the conflict in the Japan Sea and the second will be in the sea just North of Taiwan.

1. I still need more judges, people are about nothing been done by the judges, I have effectively been on my own from the beginning, I am doing my best....

2. SUBMARINE PATROL AREAS are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important, yet nobody has deemed it necessary to give them to me.

The bottom line is, if you want this to work, you will need to give the judges more information. Please U2U liquidofdiscrepancy whatever you have mailed to me or from now on, whatever you intend to mail to the judges.

Or should it be the DOGGYS of war?

You are under orders players:

www.belowtopsecret.com...

GO! GO! GO! GO!

Originally posted by devilwasp
we have 264 tanks to open, which btw, we have no transport for.
We have no way to transport them, the infantry yes but the tanks no.

We do have merchant vessels, such as frigates that can move the armour, it will take about 2 months but I think this war will be going much longer than that. And the Challengers are the best land asset we have, the infantry does need the support of the Warrior IFV's, we may have to compromise on the transport for the Warriors first, but those tanks would be great to have over there, and eventually a necessity. U2U me and we can work out transport details, I assure you it can be done.

Originally posted by ludaChris
We do have merchant vessels, such as frigates that can move the armour,

Frigates?
The 23'S and 22's cant ship anything but infantry, we can move 12 tanks at a time....max thats with the RFA. Unless we use the MN.....I'll get back to you on that.

The good news is that we can shift the warriors.

it will take about 2 months but I think this war will be going much longer than that.

And the Challengers are the best land asset we have, the infantry does need the support of the Warrior IFV's, we may have to compromise on the transport for the Warriors first, but those tanks would be great to have over there, and eventually a necessity. U2U me and we can work out transport details, I assure you it can be done.

I assure you it can only be done with hiring civies...

Originally posted by Daedalus3
To sweatmonicaido..
I'm, pretty sure China has air-refueling capability
And decent AWACS too.
Another question:
Has Russia taken sides here?
I thought it was sitting on the fence as of now.
If so, no harm India participating, as in a eal world scenario, India and Australia would be very eager to get involved, politically of course!Military deployment in pacific theatre is unlikely.
But since the americans has carried out activity on chaina's western borders (Kahzhakistan,Afghanistan etc.) India would be very much alert in that region.
I nominate sweatmonicaido for India, if the judges allow India's inclusion in this war game.
Mind you SMID(sweatmonicaido

), India's role will/should be mostly in the capacity of diplomatic negotiator , unless of course one finds chinese subs lurking around in the bay of Bengal and pushing towards diego Garcia etc etc.
This most probably shouldn't happen as all US supply routes for the pacific conflict are PACOM handled.
Also Australia shouldn't be included in this game IMHO since the chinese dude in this conflict is Australian and has already stated that Australia is neutral, and is selling uranium to china!!

Sounds good!

I'll jump in at the most opportune moment.

Sorry guys, I have little or no time to post during the weekdays. Howmuchisthedoggy has set up some rule structures for this game. We NEED A map layout from each country of what excatly is going on. QuietSoul, I would hope that you cont. to play, for your country is very significant in this war game. Guys Howmuchisthedoggy is doing the best he can, please hang in there. I will have a break in about two weeks from now (About a two week break). THEN, I can help start things up again. Remember every 4 pages equals a NEW day. Let the game unpause. U2U both Howmuchisthedoggy and me the SAME Info.

Thanks, and have fun

[edit on 103131p://000 by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy]

In order that submarines are granted the stealth they have in real life, it has been discussed how best to mark submarine positions.

Submarines will patrol a certain area of the warzone. This will be marked with a box area on a seperate map. This map is to be sent to the judges. When two areas overlap, or a sub enters a ships detection range, a contact can be made. Sub vs. ship or sub vs. sub will be called on the public thread and the conflict will be decided as per normal rules of engagement.

In the event a submarine is used to attack another asset, once it is in range of the asset's detection abilities, it must be displayed on the main tactical map.