Proof That Bush Knew Something

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The picture of Bush with glasses on in the second link looks nothing like him.

What really gets me is that they didn't organize a better response. Also, why was Cheney urging Bush not to return to Washington "Its not safe yet Mr President" Was Cheney hiding something from the chimp, after all Bush was only flung into the white house so that Cheney could run the show.

The other thing that has been bothering me is Bob Graham, he was the guy who met the ISI chief on the morning of the september 11th attacks, and was then made chairman of the House-Senate Joint Inquiry into 9/11.

But he did admit (claim) that the Bush administration is covering up for a "foreign government", it was implied that he was meaning Saudi Arabia. Although it could easily have been Pakistan.

Why are the Saudi's taking all the flak for the Pakistani's?

[Edited on 23-9-2003 by Peace]

It is very interesting to note that the opening narrator of the QuickTime video implies that the attacks took place before Bush began his reading session with the elementary school students.

I think we've experienced plenty of times where sites such as Rense, WhatReallyHappened, and RumorMill lie and misinform much more often than "official" sources.

blah

William

I haven't seen the QT videos but I offer this:

Bush himself said on four occasions that before he entered the classroom, he saw the first plane's collison on a TV screen.

1. It wasn't screened live - videos surfaced later

2. His comment "It must have been a terrible pilot" was a real clanger.

Andy Card interrupted his reading session to tell him about the second crash. He already knew about the first prior to arriving for the press session at the school.

Whether or not he was suffering from faulty recollection, there are accurate accounts of exactly what Bush did and did not do the morning of 9/11, and his own is not one of them.

www.whitehouse.gov...

"THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."

And, Jordan, I wasn't sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind -- just like your Daddy's and Mother's mind probably. And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack. I knew that when I got all of the facts that we were under attack, there would be hell to pay for attacking America. (Applause.) "


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www.cooperativeresearch.net...

"When Did Bush First Learn of the Attacks?

Why does it matter when Bush left the resort and arrived at the school? Because this is the crucial time when Bush was first told, or should have been told, of the attacks. Official accounts, including the words of Bush himself, say Bush was first told of what was happening in New York City after he arrived at the school. [Telegraph, 12/16/01, CBS, 9/11/02] However, this statement does not stand up to scrutiny. There are at least four reports that Bush was told of the first crash before he arrived at the school.


Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. "The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street ... [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City." [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] (See adjacent map for the location where he is told.) Another account states, "Bush was driving to the school in a motorcade when the phone rang. An airline accident appeared to have happened. He pressed on with his visit." [Observer, 9/16/01]

The first media reports of Flight 11's crash into the World Trade Center began around 8:48, two minutes after the crash happened. [New York Times, 9/15/01] CNN broke into its regular programming at that time [CNN, 9/11/01], though other networks, such as ABC, took a few more minutes to begin reporting. [ABC, 9/14/02] So within minutes, millions were aware of the story, yet Bush supposedly remained unaware for about another ten minutes.

Claims of Bush's ignorance become harder to believe when one learns that others in his motorcade were immediately told of the attack. For instance, Kia Baskerville, a CBS News producer traveling with Bush that morning, received a message about a plane crash "as the presidential motorcade headed to President Bush's first event." Baskerville said, "Fifteen minutes later I was standing in a second grade classroom [waiting for Bush's entrance]" - which means she got the news at about 8:47 - right as the story was first being reported. [CBS, 8/19/02] A news photographer in the motorcade overheard a radio transmission that Press Secretary Ari Fleischer would be needed on arrival at the school to discuss reports of some sort of crash. [Christian Science Monitor, 9/17/01] Another account notes Fleischer got the news that the crash had occurred "just minutes before," but notes that Bush was not in the same car as Fleischer. [CBS, 11/1/02] Senior presidential communications officer Thomas Herman said, "Just as we were arriving at the school, I received a notification from our operations center than [sic] an airliner had struck one of the towers...." [Marist College Magazine, Fall 2002]

Meanwhile, CIA Director George Tenet was told of the crash a few minutes after it happened. A messenger gave him the news as he was eating breakfast with former Senator David Boren in a Washington restaurant three blocks from the White House. Boren says Tenet was told that the World Trade Center had been attacked by an airplane: "I was struck by the fact that [the messenger] used the word attacked." An aide then handed a cell phone to Tenet, and Tenet made some calls, showing that at least some at the highest levels of the Bush administration were talking about an attack at this time. Tenet then said to Boren, "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it." [ABC, 9/14/02]

Some people at the school also heard of the news before Bush arrived. Around 8:50, Tampa Bay's Channel 8 reporter Jackie Barron was on the phone with her mother, who mentioned the first news reports. At almost the same time, Brian Goff, a Fox reporter from Tampa, heard the same thing on his cell phone. [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] Associated Press reporter Sonia Ross was also told of the crash by phone from a colleague. [AP, 9/12/01 (D)] Florida Congressman Dan Miller, waiting in front of the school as part of the official greeting party, was told by an aide about the crash at 8:55, before Bush arrived. [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01]

Given all this, how could Bush have remained ignorant? Could he have been out of the loop because he was in a car? No. The previous night, Colony Resort manager Katie Klauber Moulon toured the presidential limousine and marveled "at all the phones and electronic equipment." [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] Karl Rove, Bush's "chief political strategist," who presumably was riding with Bush, used a wireless e-mail device on 9/11 as well. [Newsweek, 10/14/02] There seems to have been ample opportunity and the means to alert Bush."






[Edited on 23-9-2003 by Peace]

or NSA computer interests would be on their butts like a k-9 on a crackwhore.

i mean, such a small niggling detail... come on... it's apparent to anyone who rememebers seeing him in that school on that day that he was dumbfounded. he was in a rush of emotions that seemed to include excitement and anxiety and he made one peep about hearing about the attacks... afterthat, he went into hiding to (he went to a "we did it!" party that was taking place at Carlyle in DC. all the neocons were there, such as perle and wolfowitz, I believe)

Sorry guys and gals but,
Here's the big question to those who posted here, including myself.......................
JUST HOW MANY TIMES do we all have to re-hash this subject??

Countless threads on this and all from virtually the same source or some other 'conspiracy' related site.
Has this not been discussed multiple times before....getting very, very "old"!

Hmmm, I seem to recall the motto: "Deny Ignorance"....hmmm.


regards
seekerof

Seekerof, your logic baffles me.
Just ignore the post if you are uninterested or are already aware of the details.

I don't think the President's suspicious behaviour on the morning of 9/11 is getting at all old news, and I am happy to continue to post about these issues until the war on terrorism is finished.

My point...

Disinformation is seen more often from supposed alternative sources than official sources. Not that the basic issues around Bush's statements are fishy... but that we have a real serious disinformation issue with the QuickTime video used here by alternative/conspiracy-theory pundits.

How often do we see bald-faced lies floated by conspiracists? How often do we see baseless accusations floated simply because it might be true? How often do conspiracists discuss maybe, could-be, rumored to be, and pure speculation as the so-called truth?

This video has a narrator describing the sequence of events of 9|11, then cuts to silence as the Presidential motorcade arrives at the school and the children gather to meet Bush. This leaves the observer to come to the conclusions desired by the author of the website.

Disinformation

Disinformation

Disinformation

How can we (conspirators) fight it, if we generate more of it than they (government) do?


blah

Originally posted by William
My point...

Disinformation is seen more often from supposed alternative sources than official sources. Not that the basic issues around Bush's statements are fishy... but that we have a real serious disinformation issue with the QuickTime video used here by alternative/conspiracy-theory pundits.

How often do we see bald-faced lies floated by conspiracists? How often do we see baseless accusations floated simply because it might be true? How often do conspiracists discuss maybe, could-be, rumored to be, and pure speculation as the so-called truth?

This video has a narrator describing the sequence of events of 9|11, then cuts to silence as the Presidential motorcade arrives at the school and the children gather to meet Bush. This leaves the observer to come to the conclusions desired by the author of the website.

Disinformation

Disinformation

Disinformation

How can we (conspirators) fight it, if we generate more of it than they (government) do?


blah

Well I'm of the opinion that you've got to fight fire with fire. If the government are going to defend their corner with disinformation, then I think it's only right that the theorists do the same to keep people suspicious of the government.
Although agreed it does go too far sometimes but what the hell...

Do you really need to quote an entire post if it's the post above yours?

For those saying consider the source I pose to you this question...
Regardless of when he knew the first plane hit... was his reaction to the second what you would expect of the leader of a contry that has just been informed that his counry has been attacked on its own soil for the first time in over 50 years?
What would you have done? Sat there?
If I were president and that had happened, whether I was shocked or not I would have IMMEDIATELY excused myself and started finding out everything that is known and giving orders to make sure nothing further would happen.
At no point did he look surprised or in shock to me.

NephraTari......
And based on your observations, because the President didn't act as you would have in that situation, this constitutes thats Bush knew 'something'?

In such as case as this, as with any case of equal proportions of magnitude, if the President, or General, or your next door neighbor or John from two states over doesn't react or act as you think he or she should have reacted or acted, that constitutes that 'they' "knew something?" Does this not constitute that we, as individuals, react and act differently from each other? You are condemning a man, for which I care nothing in particular for, for not acting as you or anyone else says or thinks he or she should have?!?

Yes, Bush knew something alright.....I will agree with that, but I will not go along with this "what he did or how he acted or reacted proves, beyond a shadow of doubt, that he "knew something"...........not buying into that particular BS.....video or not....it's leaves this whole topic up to mere speculation......simply put.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 23-9-2003 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by William
It is very interesting to note that the opening narrator of the QuickTime video implies that the attacks took place before Bush began his reading session with the elementary school students.

I think we've experienced plenty of times where sites such as Rense, WhatReallyHappened, and RumorMill lie and misinform much more often than "official" sources.

blah

i agree.

get some really hard proof!

Peace, im starting to have my doubts about you.

[Edited on 23-9-2003 by KrazyIvan]

Originally posted by William
Do you really need to quote an entire post if it's the post above yours?

no I don't.

Didn't realise it was such a big post or I wouldn't have done. What's with the agressive tone William? A simple "do you mind not doing that John..." would do fine and would get the message across just as much. It's called manners, you should try it.

This topic shows some clear examples of how divisive the issues surrounding corruption in this administration are.

There are people on both sides of the fence to whom facts may not ever make a difference to the conclusions they have already drawn.

There are fence sitters who only get off the fence when they are deeply distressed that something is hurting some value or affiliation they hold near and dear.

And there are always going to be people who haven't seen a subject rehashed many times, who express a valid reaction to seeing it the first time.

Anyone who is happy with a POTUS who is 'dumbfounded' and who does nothing in the face of the gravity of the situation, then apologizes for him for years after the event, needs to have their right to vote withdrawn.

Democracy is dead. Talking about rights to vote and freedom of speech is a waste of time. The USA has been taken over (many years ago in fact) by corporate fascists who control you by media propaganda and use of force. Either get used to it, or do something about it. Talking is a waste of time. Your tribe has been taken over and is now run by carnivores who are carving up the spoils. What you conceive as 'democracy' has been systematised and now used as a tool against you.

Seeker and other concerned people that believe in balance:

our esteemed friends the leftwing have decided since the future is not too rosy for them in positions of power due to changing demographics they will now change all the rules to suit themselves.

It is not sufficinet that they has run the first world for most of the past 50 years, NO!

But now they want to go into the 21st century continuing to cling to power.

They will lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and deceive, and exagerate, and lie, and propose, and guess, and lie, and fantasize, and lie, and blow all out of proportion, and lie,...

Originally posted by THENEO
Seeker and other concerned people that believe in balance:

our esteemed friends the leftwing have decided since the future is not too rosy for them in positions of power due to changing demographics they will now change all the rules to suit themselves.

It is not sufficinet that they has run the first world for most of the past 50 years, NO!

But now they want to go into the 21st century continuing to cling to power.

They will lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and deceive, and exagerate, and lie, and propose, and guess, and lie, and fantasize, and lie, and blow all out of proportion, and lie,...

This is the degeneration of someone not getting their way or being listened to, who believes he is a clairvoyant that has seen retarded son George W Bush winning the 2004 election.

Relax, take ten deep breaths, and remember that George W Bush too will pass.

The sooner the better. History books will bear out the misdirection and corruption inherent in every action taken by the incumbent admin.

Bush only knew the plan would be heightened.
He was a bad boy who did not follow our guidelines.
We had to coach him into what he is now...a leader.
The evidence is gone.... the players all dead.
Accept what we bring you,.....
in the name of humatiy as we do love you.
It is only for your own good.

Dick Cheney is the real President.

It is Cheney's men that surround Bush, (except Powell).

Bush is making his future career in the energy industry extra sweet by keeping his pals in the business happy, he is rerally and truly just a face, he does not run the country.

To me, this whole conspiracy started the moment the Bush admin stole the Presidency.

Get the idiot out before this crazy gang of lunatics put us and our families in any more danger.