Biden or Clinton?

Originally posted by RANT

Not even remotely true. Kerry's solid win's plus Ohio is the White House.

so it's a done deal unless Republicans win NY or California or another dem stronghold. [cue laughter]

But .........J. Kerry lost.

And don't forget that the current Governor of California is a Republican. I wouldn't chalk that state up to the Democrats just yet.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. Okay. So who gets YOUR liberal vote in
2008? Will it be Biden? Will it be Kerry? I know it won't be
Hillary unless she's the nominee for the dems. Wanna' share?

No idea. The Presidency is a big fat side show diversion from the Senate and House anyway. 2006 first.

Originally posted by Classified Info
And don't forget that the current Governor of California is a Republican. I wouldn't chalk that state up to the Democrats just yet.

Chalk? I wrote it in ink. And the current Republican Governor will have much to do with sending the swing vote hard left in California. That fool is a disaster. Not as hated as Bush in California, but a ridiculed and rejected joke nonetheless.

Originally posted by Classified Info
But .........J. Kerry lost.

And don't forget that the current Governor of California is a Republican. I wouldn't chalk that state up to the Democrats just yet.

I think the point that Rant's been trying to make, like several times now, is that as mediocre a candidate as John Kerry is - Swift Boated, and turned into a Viet Cong, baby killing, effete, gay marriage blessing snob - George Bush barely scraped by, effectively splitting half the country along electoral lines.

113,000 Ohio votes gave the GOP the win.

Any Democratic condidate simply has to carry the states that a "Bad candidate" already carried, and gain one. Just one. Ohio is looking like the most usual suspect, but Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico are three more prime suspects - given Howard Dean's attempts to gain a blue foothold in the region - the DNC's recently announced "Western Primary".

At least, this is the plan if a Social Conservative is nominated - and honestly, I'm not sure how someone like Guliani or McCain makes it out of the primary. Moderates don't control the caucuses, nor the platform message. Condoleeza Rice would be a godsend, on a silver platter.

Furthermore, anyone from this administration has a giant albatross tied around their neck, because at 30% approval, nobody but the rightest of the right wing supports this administration right now.

Biden is charismatic, but he honestly doesn't stand a chance against Hillary. He certainly doesn't have the money, what with all the free media she'll be getting. She's a SWAT team of seasoned, loyal operatives. And some people have noticed this, but Hillary does what Kerry wouldn't...

She listens to advice

Kerry really was a flip flopper, and could never make up his mind. Hillary is taking advice early, and sticking to it - tenaciously. To me, that shows a strategic mind at work taking calculated risks.

My guess? It will be a Hillary and Mark Warner ticket. Warner has an honest to god shot of carrying Virginia, and perhaps swaying votes in Missouri and Indiana. She'll pick Barak Obama if Condi gets in the race - cynical, but true.

On the Republican side, I see a complete unknown taking the the GOP nomination. The Democratic Primary isn't even about the Presidential condidate, it's about Vice President - with different candidates running flak and offering cover fire for Hillary, just to curry favor.

Nobody will want to attack too hard, because that burns the "Forever" type bridges that politics builds. Howard Dean will be playing ref behind the scenes, because he wants a Democrat victory, or it means his own butt is on the line. Plus, he'll be winning points with the Old Guard, to ensure his own job security.

I think Giuliani will pull a Ross Perot and dangle his feet in the water too long, before voters get tired of chasing the stick. He won't have the grassroot support in Iowa and New Hampshire. His national poll numbers will be high, but those are over inflated by likely Democrat voters. But, those likely democrat voters won't be able to help him early on. Plus, he'll get trounced for his support of Gay rights, and his pro-choice stance on abortion. Plus, if things get really ugly, they'll dig up dirt on his past - and find stuff.

I think McCain will get stuck in a junkyard dog style primary fight with a yet unrecognized Republican. I think it will be close, but I think McCain has burned too many bridges. Again, he has more mainstream support than he knows what to do with, but that won't help him against well funded, high organized christian and pro-family groups. He'll win moderate states, but he'll just get decimated in the South, Utah, and Idaho

I mean, it's just gonna be a giant Republican free for all. Hair is gonna be on the walls - just a brutal struggle for control between the moderates and Freepers - and whoever limps away victorious will have to immediatly head into round 2 against Hillary and Bill - on their game, and using whatever ammunition and and dirt from the Republican primary to their own tactical advantage .

Come 2008, the Democratic Candidate goes into the race with a unified front, unlimited money, and a teflon skin against attacks. What can the right say? She's a lesbian? Whitewater? She murdered Vince Foster? We've crossed the threshold on Hillary attacks, and now she's immune. And, imagine how much damage Oprah could do. Traveling with her on the campaign trail. Getting daily status reports

The Republican candidate enters the race, already bruised, bloody and beaten up, having spent tens of out of pocket millions securing the nomination. The GOP has been walking a tight rope act for years, and soon, they'll slip. He'll be too right for the moderates, or too moderate for the right. And somewhere in there, He'll lose Ohio or New Mexico, or Nevada, or Colorado, or Iowa, or if Warner is still popular, Virginia.

1 state is all it takes, and that's the whole ball game right there.



P.S. Arnie in Cali just hired an openly gay, openly liberal democrat as his new Chief of Staff. Maria Shriver has taken over behind the scenes. I wouldn't be surprised if you see him throwing his weight behind Hillary at some point.

Hillary has already been President once hasn't she?

Alright, I read the first bit of this post, & I've got to say this out here. I know many things, & one thing I know quite well, is that even if Hillary Clinton get a nomination to be the President, she will never win, ever.

The reason I know this...? Because too many men won't want her there. It's an all boys school when it comes to certain parts of politics. It's not My opinion, I really don't care either way, it's a male dominated society, & that's the way they wanna keep it, plain & simple.

Even if Hillary did win the Presidential election, if she got that far, I can almost guarantee, they will assasinate her, make it look like some patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald did it. While I don't share the all boys schools opinion of these kinds of things, I still see that it will happen. They just don't want to have to learn how to de-segregate the White House, & they never will.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by RANT
Kerry's solid win's plus Ohio is the White House.

RANT ... are you trying to tell us that Kerry will win?

Rant, Rant, Rant. It's the Hillary machine that's in full
speed ahead, and she's going to take it. She already has.
Kerry won't even make it at the primaries.

Biden will run. He won't make it. Old issues of plagerism
and his stupid statements about surrender and pull out of
Iraq (ala Vietnam) have already closed the door on him.
I'd rather have him then Hillary, but he won't make it.

Hillary is already the dems nominee for 2008. She is their
best candidate. She's capable. I can't stand her, but she
is capable. Kerry isn't.

The ONLY republican that could give Hillary a run for it is
Rudy Guiliani. He MIGHT be able to take it from her, but
even that I doubt.

It's Madam President in 2008 - like it or not - and I don't.
(At least it won't be Kerry or Kennedy ... I can console
myself with that!)

** My guess for VP is McCain. He'll cross over and
be her VP. He'll stay a republican and what they will
say is that they are 'bringing back the old days of
bipartisanship' when there was a president from one
party and a VP from the other party. They'll make it
all sound nice.

[edit on 12/1/2005 by FlyersFan]

Very good, and well spoken. McCain might as well cross over..... he's no republican; he's a RINO.
There's no such thing as a liberal conservative. You're a conservative or yourre not. Same goes for Arlen Sphincter

Je ne care pas...as long as its no one from the current swing of things. DJ lets not worry ourselves silly about ethics and morality. Somehow i think it will all seem mild compared to what is happening today.

Arnold is no republican. Another RINO is all he is.
Dgtempe: ".....ethics and morality....." I really must wonder if you were alseep during the eight years of ex-president pantload. The things that some people are concerned about from "this administration" is just another gallon of water over Niagra falls compared to that.

[edit on 9-12-2005 by zappafan1]