Sounds controversial but adds up, debate it

can time travel exist? i say it cant, but theres alternatives

Ive been thinking of the last couple years, that time travel is possibly science fiction. I base that on my theory that time is an creation of man, discovery only applying to humans, like a system we developed. Time is based upon the positon of the sun. Time was created to help mankind stay organized, to help us function. There for how can we break time and fly into the future?. We know that sound barriers exist, but there is no barrier for time. It Doesnt seem that time travel, and what we know to be time have any relation.

This isnt a fact, just a base of oppionion,



Mod Edit: Errors in title only.

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You can fly into the future. According to Einsteins Theory of Relativity, if you fly fast enough, time from your vantage point will go on like normal, but back on Earth time is accelerating for you. However for them, time is still chugging along on it's normal pace. So when you get back, in theory, many years will have passed.

Theory of Relativity from Wikipedia

>> Time is based upon the positon of the sun. Time was created to help mankind stay organized, to help us function.

yeah i have, but i thought that carbon dating had to do with a timeline of the carbon thought to be present on earth when what ever ran tests on existed, or was present, and they base the timeline on carbon found in layers of rock. if thats the case, what does it have to do with time?

Let me try and explain why time is involved.

Carbon Dating only works on living things like Trees or Animals. All life on Earth is Carbon Based. Carbon -14 forms from Nitrogen -14 when bombarded with Neutrons in the Atmosphere. Living things take in Carbon -14 in the form of CO2 throughout the lifetime of the plant or animal. When living things die all that Carbon is trapped and no longer replenished.

Because Carbon 14 has a known half life and degrades over time , we can look at the ratio of the isotopes and determine when the living thing died or lived with a fair degree of accuracy.

The point I was making is that at the Sub Atomic Level we can observe time, because just like in the case of Carbon -14 it takes time for the Sub Atomic structure to decay.

If time itself is a dimension which exists within this universe, one could "remove" one's self from this universe. Then the laws of physics are not applicable. This is maybe a possible first step in understanding the possibility of time travel.

Well i think this will be decided the moment we know wether time really is just another form of highly condensed energy... If we are sure of that then we might very possibly be able to manipulate it as we normally do with energy...

So that would be my opinion for now....

Stellar

speaking of theory of relativity and going the speed of light making time stop, does that mean that since the earth is spinning and rotating around the sun that we in essence live a few mins longer than if we were stationary in outer space?

In your dreams....and the movies you watch and the books you read.

Take a rock and drop it. How are going to make that rock time travel? Makes no sense right?

Originally posted by Desolate Cancer
speaking of theory of relativity and going the speed of light making time stop, does that mean that since the earth is spinning and rotating around the sun that we in essence live a few mins longer than if we were stationary in outer space?

There is no such thing as "stationary in outer space," so, no it does not mean that we live a few minutes longer.

The speeds in relativity are relative (hence the name.) Should you choose to live somewhere with a higher relative velocity than that of Earth's (say Mercury,) then you might live a fraction of a second longer than if you'd stayed on Earth, assuming that life on Mercury didn't kill you (a huge assumption.)

Better off traveling around the world in SST's for the rest of your life if you want to experience a fraction of a second of time dilation. Of course, that lifestyle could get old. Hardly worth it for a few extra milliseconds of life.

Harte

Irony is humanity achieving time travel to introduce to humanity the virtues necessary to promote not utilizing time travel, but through the introduction of virtues and ideologies, permitting humanity a means to achieving time travel at an earlier time in a parallel timeline.

1) Assume time travel is possible
2) Assume humanity survives and endures humanity until the day that time travel is plausible, and achieved.

Assuming time travel is possible and assuming humanity survives to see the day that time travel is possible, then, well .... .. .. . it has been done, and we are currently enduring the reprocussions of time travel.

Any prophesy stated in the past tense, was witnessed by the one relating the prophesy.


Now, to question the intentions of those who sent the messages:
First and foremost we would have to accept that they sent the messages knowing full well that their own existance in the universe they knew would instantaneously be forfeit.

So, if they were willing to forfeit their very existance knowingly, what do you think would create such a paradigm, and what would cause them to conclude there is no other way to save that which they love?

The humanity of the future, melded with the past?

If time travel is possible, If we survive to that day, then it has been implemented long ago in the future. Now look at the world as you know it ...... .... .. .. ..... . . .

5,200 B.C. Mankind is utilizing beasts of burden and drawn carriages to get from point A to point B.

7,000 + years later . .. . .. .

1902 A.D. Mankind is still utilizing horse drawn carriages to get from point A to point B. However, mass production of the Ford model-T has commenced.

Less than 50 years later we are splitting the atom, (atomic bomb).
67 years later (after model-T) we are walking on the moon.

Recap:
5,200 B.C. using beasts of burden to travel.
1901 A.D. still using beasts of burden to travel.
1902 A.D. mass production of Ford Model-T begins.
1969 A.D. mankind is on the moon.

Makes perfectly logical sense to me, too.


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This is why I brought up Time on the Sub Atomic level , because imagine if we are flying through space and we are carrying a gram of Carbon -14 with us.

If we know that on Earth one gram of Carbon -14 decays at an average of 15 decays per minute, if we are traveling at 1/4 light Speed would the rate of decay in the Carbon -14 be the same or would it be slower?

If Carbon -14 decays at a slower rate at closer to C , then so does every other Sub Atomic reaction.

If you are on board also and your body is not aging because the sub atomic reactions of the matter that makes up your body is also slowed, are you not time traveling ?

Time is motion.

If every atom in the universe were to suddenly cease movement then time would stop. In an empty universe, devoid of anything, there is no time.

Time is then only a measurement of something moving relative to a frame of reference.

Just because Albert Einstein created a 4th dimension for the purpose of incorporating time into geometric equations doesn't prove that it really exists.

The rate of decay for the C-14 traveling 1/4 the SOL would be less.

Simply put, as something accelerates closer to the speed of light, time slows until at the speed of light time stops. This is one of the paradoxes associated with faster than light travel. The issue being one of - if time stops, then there would be no time to travel faster - no time to burn the fuel to drive past the speed of light .

One of the other problems is one of mass going to infinity @ the sol. You'd need infinate energy to force infinate mass past the sol, but with no time to burn the fuel the sol seems to present itself as a barrier regarding travel faster than sol.

A way around sol? Bend space and time this bringing the start and destination points closer together; simply jump the resulting gap between the two.

Must admit, it's an interesting topic.

Typo edit, it's a curse.

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According to Eienstein, very small things time travel everyday. Little things that are smaller than a photon, time travel always. I think if you have enough magnetism you could do it. Like that movie called contact. She traveld really far except to everyone else it looked ike she had only fallen into the water.

So I think that we cannot travel, but we can defintely view.

Please,

I cannot provide any links would someone be kind enough to help?

Scientists consider the time that is lost in orbitting sattelites' atomic clocks with Einstein's theory of relativity.

Something to think about whether 'time' exists or not

- Nazgarn

yeah, its true though, Einstien did propose alot of theorys, and most have become facts that we base our science knoledge on today. but i doubt he was 100% right on his theorys on space and time, in this case. It's really too vast of a subject, theres so many varables for him to concider, to just pump out some master theory in his lifespan.

Originally posted by cam man
yeah, its true though, Einstien did propose alot of theorys, and most have become facts that we base our science knoledge on today. but i doubt he was 100% right on his theorys on space and time, in this case. It's really too vast of a subject, theres so many varables for him to concider, to just pump out some master theory in his lifespan.

What facts are you refering to?

Originally posted by nazgarn
Please,

I cannot provide any links would someone be kind enough to help?

Scientists consider the time that is lost in orbitting sattelites' atomic clocks with Einstein's theory of relativity.

Something to think about whether 'time' exists or not

- Nazgarn

How and why?

Time exist, drop a rock and base every event in your life around that interval (the rock exhibiting a lack of inertia to being inert once again). You may find that you sleep 600 rock drops out of every 1500 rock drops. Time isn't physical, it is measurement.

Time dilation has been confirmed experimentally. But it's only a result of relative motion, not a physical quantity of time.

If all atomic action ceases at Absolute zero (0 degrees Kelvin), you can effectively stop time for any object by denying it a source of external radiations/electromagnetic waves/energy quanta. If this is true, and the laws of thermodynamics says it is, then time must be relative to energy, and the source of energy in matter comes from what is absorbed from the medium/metric.

Crackpot?

Also there is a way to get stuck in time according to einstein.

He says that if an object that is bigger than a photon. Basically anything you can see is bigger than a photon. It will keep going back in time and repeat itself. (very complicated my friend told me) So yes I guess time travel is possible.