Chinese Corruption Ending

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Electronic banking has made financial transactions more transparent allowing banking authorities and the government to better identify the movement of money. Electronic transactions are helping the government collect an extra 500 billion yuan in taxes. E-commerce is also putting a curb on corruption and helping crack down on money laundering.

That commonly held belief that China is a corrupt society will rot away as E-Banking allows officials to crack down on money criminals.

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[edit on 20-4-2006 by UK Wizard]

big joke,isn't it.

the reason why chinese goventment udergoes such rampant corruption is that ,in china, officials are not responsible for ordinary citizen, they don't care about what they think, what they want, what they suffer, they only care what their superior, who has the right for their promotion. and so do their superior and the superior's superior...


corruption is a inevitable result of lack of democracy, nowadays in china, it is not that not knowing which officer is corrupted, since corruption is almost going on publicly. A vice governor's daughter in-law drove her BMW crashed 4(?) people in public, and she went unpunished, because her BMW was "mistakenly actived". a vice party secratery of a city's teenager daughter got 1 million dolars "on her own", and she made a film which the city governmetn ordered all the students in this city must see on his/her own charge because
"the film is very educating", and even such thing was publisized, the secratery got his promotion anyway,the only result is those websites which dared to report and discuss such matters was force to close.
i, along with most ordinary chinses people, have already grown numb on those, i just wonder why you, (i guess u r also a chinese), still are in the hope that the officials are willing to discipline themselves and to crack down corruption "for the people's interest".

anyway, in china, it is not the methods to crack down corruption that is insufficient, the main problem is that the government lacks a reason to discipline itself.


BTW:in the cited article, the govenment only said the E-banking system will "putting a curb on corruption and helping crack down on money laundering."
it didn't mention to what exetent it will help, it seems in your article ,the lie grew bolder.

[edit on 25-11-2005 by suihx]

im not sure about china i think communism in theory is a very good idea actually more like perfect its just that people are corrupt

Originally posted by thenewf102
im not sure about china i think communism in theory is a very good idea actually more like perfect its just that people are corrupt

Homer Simpson "Marge, I agree with you -- in theory. In theory, communism works. In theory"

TheNewf,
Not only do you not read threads before you respond to them, you have mods responding to you with Homer Simpson quotes.

You, Sir, have dragged ATS down to an all-time low.

Originally posted by thenewf102
im not sure about china i think communism in theory is a very good idea actually more like perfect its just that people are corrupt

From a Canadian...

A proper perspective needs to be held:



Capitalism Monkeys, not just for making a quick buck anymore...

Excuse me, the USA is just as corrupt and has the same kind of wealth gap as China, does that mean your a dictatorship? So what if it doesn't give the "extent" of how far it will curb it, only 20-40% of the population uses e-banking and already we're getting an extra 500 billion$, have you even read the article or applied common sense?

It only took two responses for this thread to get the traditional, "Well, communism is good in theory, if only people weren't corrupt" response, and only six responses before it suddenly veered into USA bashing.

Let's try to get this back on topic, mmkay?


The idea here is that e-commerce and computerized records of financial transactions is going to help to curb the corruption of Chinese government officials. Is this valid? I'm not sure.

The corruption of the Chinese government is not a direct result of communism. Chinese government has been overtly corrupt for what? 3,000 years or so? It's simply the way the system works. People climb to positions of power specifically so that they can enjoy the benefits of those positions, and those benefits come largely from the payments that have to be made to them from virtually everybody underneath them for virtually everything they might want to do.

Actually, that's the way that all governments work, to a greater or lesser extent. It's simply more surreptitious in other governments. For instance, in the US, the payments that are made to politicians are in the form of campaign contributions, trips, business opportunities, stock tips and the like. They generally aren't direct, simply because the US government has cultivated a facade of actually representing the will of the people, rather than accumulating and selling power. The Chinese government, on the other hand, has always and straightforwardly been about accumulating and selling power.

So is that selling of power going to end because it's now easier to trace the path of money paid to government officials? I seriously doubt it. It's far more likely that those officials will simply alter the process so that it's closer to that used in the west-- the money will be paid indirectly rather than directly, but it will still be paid, and for the same reason.

It should make for some interesting times though. As I already mentioned, China has a long-standing tradition of overt corruption, so moving it underground might be a bit of an adjustment for them. But of course, China also has a long-standing tradition of official dishonesty that is never publicly questioned, and that should certainly aid them in moving into a more western style system, wherein the corruption of government is covert rather than overt.

All in all, I doubt that this will have any great impact. It's not for nothing that the Chinese invented an entire school of thought (Confucianism) that deals almost exclusively with the proper way for people to interact with their superiors. The power of Chinese officialdom is so firmly entrenched that any changes in the world around them at most only means that they have to slightly modify the way in which they do things. Through their long tradition of endemic yet ignored corruption, dishonesty and servile obedience, the powers-that-be in China have created a system wherein, for all intents and purposes, they cannot be challenged or even questioned successfully. They will survive...

Corruption ending in China, ha. The CPC is ultra corrupt and Hu is supposedly trying to battle internal corruption, but isn't winning.

NWGuy, you haven't even bothered to read the article right?

Communism doesn't even work in theory. Even on paper, communism is sheer thuggery. I'm glad to hear that at least one person in Chna can get the truth out about what the conditions are truly like there.

[edit on 2005/12/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
Excuse me, the USA is just as corrupt and has the same kind of wealth gap as China, does that mean your a dictatorship? So what if it doesn't give the "extent" of how far it will curb it, only 20-40% of the population uses e-banking and already we're getting an extra 500 billion$, have you even read the article or applied common sense?

Have you been to the US? I have been to China but never lived there. The USA is corrupt but as much as China? I have hard time buying into that one. Also the wealth gap in the US is not even remotely the same as it is in China.

Cash Is Dead, Long Live The Electronic King!

I missed the part in the articles where it mentions that all Chinese citizens must accept a mark upon their hands or foreheads to do business.

Oh wait, that hasn't happened yet.

My bad.




Actually, I'm expecting biometrics to be the "mark" -- in the form of retina and fingerprint scans. And cash will be outlawed to "fight crime", just as the articles imply. Coming to a country near you -- including yours.

I guess we'll see.

Actually, I'm expecting biometrics to be the "mark" -- in the form of retina and fingerprint scans. And cash will be outlawed to "fight crime", just as the articles imply. Coming to a country near you -- including yours.

I'm never quite sure what to do with posts like this one. My first inclination is to applaud such a simple and clearheaded statement of obvious but generally unrecognized fact, but then I just want to cry...

And then, for a flickering moment, I want to rise up and fight-- to bend my will to freeing humanity from the bondage of vile and frightened little people who are so desperately threatened by the world around them that they can't simply live their lives, but must seek to control the world and the lives of everyone around them.

Then I think, "Mmm, coffee would be good."

Corruption will end in China when the CCP ends in China, and not before.

Originally posted by suihx
i, along with most ordinary chinses people, have already grown numb on those, i just wonder why you, (i guess u r also a chinese), still are in the hope that the officials are willing to discipline themselves and to crack down corruption "for the people's interest".

suihx, despite The Middle Kingdom's constant "we the Chinese people this" and "we the Chinese nation that", one can garner quite easily that he is an overseas born and/or raised Chinese. The ruse is either intellectual entertainment for him, a vehicle for vicarious pride in a country his parents left behind, or a means of employment.

Excuse me!? I live in Beijing! I attend the Beijing Military Academy of Science! How dare you say otherwise! I am deeply insulted by this accusation, English is not my first language and I often talk with Canadians over MSN.

As for the wealth gap it is the same, one moment I'll get you the link.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

China's and America's wealth gap is almost the same, and corruption in China won't suddenly end if the CCP loses power, just because its Communist you automatically assume its inheriently corrupt, well geuss what America is just as corrupt with the same wealth gap and you are supposedly a free and liberal democratic nation.

Sorry for killing your grand illusion of American suporiority.

Communism doesn't even work in theory. Even on paper, communism is sheer thuggery. I'm glad to hear that at least one person in Chna can get the truth out about what the conditions are truly like there.

Oh? Communism was never put into practice, we came close but not enough and was too harsh. Canada is Socialist yet one of the wealthier nations in the world with one of the highest standards of living, so "Socialism" with market oriented economies work then neh?

As for whethor or not it works in theory can't be debated, Marx was an economist so maybe it could work, maybe it won't but debating what in theory works, its impossible and only wastes time.
[edit on 3-12-2005 by The Middle Kingdom]

[edit on 3-12-2005 by The Middle Kingdom]

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
Excuse me!? I live in Beijing! I attend the Beijing Military Academy of Science! How dare you say otherwise! I am deeply insulted by this accusation, English is not my first language and I often talk with Canadians over MSN.

You're indignation is very unconvincing. If you were born and raised in China all your life, then I'm this guy's uncle.

Excuse me, but may I ask you a question then? Good, if I am not from China then hwo come everyone else has believed that I am from China? I've never directly mentioned it but when asked I concur to it, I see no reason to brag about it it distracts from the issue but what you don't seem to realize is that is where I am born and it is the language I speak (Mandarin, only a little Cantonese) I've lived in Beijing all my life and visited Russia only once and been to Shanghai twice and Hong-kong once.

You are not in a position to to say where I may or may not be taking my residence, LCK from our "Can China invade Taiwan thread" recognizes both my intelligence and my rationality, we even came to a understanding over the issue. Here you seem desparate to slander me and to attack my credibility to defend my homeland why is that? Could it be my arguements may be effective? Could it be that that they're effective enough to be feared and thus resort to attacks inorder to destory my credibility so that these "one sided" discussion inregards to China may continue?

It seems rational enough otherwise there is no explaining why you wish to attack my credibility as an equal citizen of the PRC and a member of the PLA.

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
Corruption will end in China when the CCP ends in China, and not before.

Im sorry but curruption exist in every country.

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
Excuse me!? I live in Beijing! I attend the Beijing Military Academy of Science! How dare you say otherwise! I am deeply insulted by this accusation, English is not my first language and I often talk with Canadians over MSN.

Hey zhongguo, I also live in Beijing, born here too! Isn't the military academy somewhere between the summer palace and xiangshan? Anyway, just thought I say hi ;D