The great wall of America

don't worry. they are going to tag everyone with gps implants. we'll all be so safe.

i like comparing canada/usa to palestine/israel. HAHAHAHA! rich stuff!

So with all the plans they have, it takes one more terrorist bombing and they say fence the border and mandatory national ID's then chip implants and martial law. Life will suck.

But it wont suck for people who dont mind the chip implant because they do get some bada$$ benefits and i would do it if it wasnt for my beliefs.

[edit on 22-11-2005 by Wisdumb]

A wall is not practcal. Law enforcement is. Use the laws already in the books and hire enough people to enforce them. Terrorists are going to find a way into this country. The #1 problem facing the US is illegal immigration and the problems associated with it. Take a trip down here to Texas and you will see what i mean. Checked the population percentages lately? Shocking

Yes enforcing the laws is the problem, but not many illegals or the employers get caught because nobody tells. Enforcing strict border defense is what a 1st world country should do anyways. This is supposed to be the greatest country on earth, but where's the great wall of America? Why is there a shoddy border with some places having no fence? This country should have tight borders and superb law enforcment.

According to Weneedafence.com a wall could be built across the whole US/Mexico border for roughly the cost of 4 B-2 bombers. Thats really not that much money compared to what the US has to spend. A barrier is an essential component of any effort to secure our borders; additional manpower alone cannot do the job.

That combined with our military on the border would pretty much stop the illegal immigration in its tracks. I for one would much rather have the US military defending our borders then the borders of some country on the other side of the world. The role of the Military is to defend the people of the US after all.

i dont know about the whole wall idea but i do agree that when something does happen to that effect we will kick ourselves in the a** for many things we could have done and didnt. its just like the katrina debacle. sure no one has a crystal ball but why not go over anything that could possibly go wrong and have a plan of action for it. you may still miss somethings but not from a lack of preperation or effort. i mean come on an evacuation plan should be tops on the list for a city on the gulf coast

Would you shoot people trying to leave America after the next elections?
Also have you ever thought building this war around arms factories that sell weapons to Israel, but ALSO non democratic ones (many of which tend to be Muslim)?
If you did that you would have even less terrorists coming into the country.

Seriously the fact someone feels the need to build such a wall is proof of the paranoia many Westerners feel. I just hope more people don't get killed building such an enormous thing than those murdered on 9/11.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
Seriously the fact someone feels the need to build such a wall is proof of the paranoia many Westerners feel. I just hope more people don't get killed building such an enormous thing than those murdered on 9/11.

Paranoid? Theres millions of illegal immigrants in the US thats a fact not paranoia.

Lets take a conservative estimate and say 10 million living in the US right now. Now lets just say 5% of illegals are violent felons

Well we just let 500,000 violent criminals in the US

I can bet you the percent is much higher then 5%

Paranoid LOL

I guess building a wall to keep out illegales does make a lot more sense than building one round the whole country to keep terrorists out. As a wall to keep out illeagles would be along the Mexican border. And rather than building a wall (which is kind of expensive) why not just increase the density of landmines?

You say more than 5% of illeagles are probably criminals. Fair enough but if true you will probably find a similar figure in the native population. Also certainly in the U.K illeagles do have their benefits, they do all the rubbishy jobs (sometimes at slave labour rates). In fact the Independent Newspaper regularly goes on about how illeagles generate the U.K economy more revenue than they cost it through things like crime and benefits. Don't really know how true that is but, food for thought any way.

In any case landmines for Mexico's border are defiantly the answer (assuming you could get away with it politically) (which I think you could).

Originally posted by Liberal1984

I guess building a wall to keep out illegales does make a lot more sense than building one round the whole country to keep terrorists out.

Im not talking about terrorist Im talking about illegals. If you thought I meant that I didnt terrorist have alot more resources to sneak into a country.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
As a wall to keep out illeagles would be along the Mexican border. And rather than building a wall (which is kind of expensive) why not just increase the density of landmines?

Not as expensive as some people think about the cost of 4 B-2 bombers roughy 8 billion.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
You say more than 5% of illeagles are probably criminals. Fair enough but if true you will probably find a similar figure in the native population.

I just used 5 % as a example I have no clue what percent it is. But if you look at the number of warrants for violent criminals in places like LA its scary how many are illegal.

Sure ever native populace has criminals but ones that are illegals shouldnt have been in this country in the first place. We have to deal with the ones we already have we dont need ones from other countries.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
In any case landmines for Mexico's border are defiantly the answer (assuming you could get away with it politically) (which I think you could).

Thats just insane The majority of the US population wants to stop illegal immigration not immigration and they sure as heck dont want to blow random peolple up with mines.

1. I know you weren’t talking about building a wall to prevent terrorists entering the country. I was referring to Wisdumb (who started this thread) and who certainly was.
2. Sorry I wasn’t complaining about the 5% figure itself; What i mean is that if its 5% of illeagles who are violent then you'll probably find roughly the same figure in the native population. Of course illeagles will probably always be responsible for slightly more crime simply because they are illeagle and therefore poorer.
3. Type "Mexican border landmines" into Google and you will see how many people are talking about the idea. Then again I suppose lots of people are talking about White Supremacy and it doesn’t mean the country is going that way. But that said, I would still say there's a lot more support for this idea than something like that.

And in a way why not? I know on one hand its means death but on the other it would pretty much solve the problem. For one thing landmines don't blow you up on them; you blow yourself up on them. Also how many illeagles would be attempting to enter the U.S if they knew it was mind?
I understand that many die through things like thirst anyway, so maybe the deterrent would actually result in a net reduction in lost life?
As you can probably tell providing the minefield is clearly marked with warning sighs beforehand I have little problem with the idea.

Most Americans would feel safer knowing there is a fence preventing trespassing. Most Americans would be way against planting mines and that would make many mad and its like 1920 warfare anyways. An up-to-date border and some better security measures must be taken because its out of control and been a lingering problem thats never been fixed. This might bring better ratings for bush because all those people who want the problem fixed will be satisfied.

I live within 20 miles of the border of mexico, so maybe all you people way out in that thur country just do not realize the problem and ignore it because it is a distant thing?

Originally posted by WisdumbMaybe more strict rules for bringing in forein animals because i do not want that damn bird flu.

Hey Wisdumb, how are you feeling? I read somewhere that the first symptom of bird flu was that you misspell the word "foreign".
Just kidding!

Lol, screw that, i am taking all kinds of vitamins and green tea and grapefruit seed extract and hoping if even i do get this flu, i will have a good chance at surviving...but dang i guess i'm already showing the signs!! I swear, I misspelled a whole bunch of things today......

This is a bad idea, I dont want my country to go back to isolationist policy. I just hate the idea, that is just my opinion. We should really put more focus on the border as we begin to pull troops out of Iraq in the next year or year and a half.

America is going to go the way it goes regardless of the people. What I do not understand is how America has a border equivalent to a fairly poor crack-heads' backyard fence(old wood with holes and places with no fence).
It is either we install a brand new up-to-date fence with border patrol agents # increased, or just do away with the border altogether and allow millions of illegal criminals and such come in like they already are and throwing them back when they kill, rape, steal and other things.
If you do not want a fence, then you might as well directly support all the illegal drug transactions, illegal sex trade transactions and any other illegal activity that occurs because of inadequate bordering and patrol!
I live in Tucson where President Bush visited(within 2 miles of me) before going to Phoenix recently to talk about the border. Here's a link to his immigration plan which includes strengthening the border.

phoenix.about.com...

Maybe bush heard my thread and came down to my hometown to talk about immigration because im on to something here....lol

[edit on 3-12-2005 by Wisdumb]

Our borders are weak because that is how the government wants them. You can't smuggle drugs, children and whatever else they traffic in with good borders. I live in the OC often called the orange curtain, keep everything expensive and poor people can't be near you. A rich old lady died in my area and she left a lot of money so that a lost cost housing unit could be built in her name. It is being turned into a retirement home, the neighbors didn't want mexicans moving in nextdoor.

I am sick and tired of you socilist liberal losers. Have you ever wanted to defend your country? Have you ever wanted to do anything to protect yourself. Why do you do nothing but place blame. DO YOU HAVE ANY potty-mouth language removed SOLUTIONS! Would you EVER pick up a gun to defend your family, your land, your country, your way of life? Are you so scared and frightened of the enemy that you refuse to do anything about it.

You people amaze me. You let others die so you can procliam your freedom, then turn around and call them baby killers and you weaken them by crying foul everytime some civilian is killed and then our troops have to fight a "civil" war. You let others invent technologies that keep you alive then bash them for it becasue a bird dies. You have never comtributed anything to the survival of this country and you have done nothing to ensure a better life for anybody but yourselves. You have allowed the unions to control this country, not big business. You are responsible for rising gas prices due to your hatred of the nuclear industry. You have manipulated states' into charging an arm and leg in "environmental gas taxes" You are the reason companies cannot pay pensions. You have caused this country such a freakin head ache with your garbage and your weak minded frail, cut and run tactics. The next time this country gets attacked, you better watch your own back, because the people who actually love this country will not only kill the terrorists, they will come for you, the enemy within.

Less than 1/3 of this country fought for the independance, yet 100% benefited. You liberals hid in your homes when the redcoats were coming, just as you hide in your homes today. You bash the NRA, you bash gun owners, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD SAVE YOUR LIFE IN THE EVENT OF AN INVASION YOU very good-looking and intelligent people! Why is it that you hate this place so much. Why should I get 2 college degress then get taxed at 50%. You people are so stupid, and I really hope I get a chance to defend my land own day, because I guarentee, I will fight all enemies, foriegn and domestic.

And dont think for one second that im some Bush loving republican. I changed my political views to that of a Nationlist. Bush is a coward just like the libs. I dont even believe in God, but I sure as heck dont want the society to be free of religion, like you people do. This country was founded on God;s word, not yours. Just get over it.

All I ask you people to do, is go to work, work hard, raise your kids, AND SPREAD A LITTLE PATRIOTISM ONCE IN WHILE.

Is it so hard to love your country?

Train

[edit on 3-12-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

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[edit on 3/12/2005 by Mirthful Me]

Well, I am not one of those people who think, "gu-u-u-ns are baaaaad" or any of those weak thoughts. I just turned 18 and I did not become an adult just to lose all my freedoms! I will have guns no matter what and I will always follow a simple path with heaven in mind and not all those worries of the world(because I cannot do anything about the world besides be a thorn). I was born in my country learning about great american heroes and how patriotism is good. I want a border and way better security of it, why is it so much to ask as a citizen(who pays tax which goes to every single government thing)? I think those minutemen had a good idea but seriously the only way to stop crossing a imaginary line is to actually make a line!!!

A wall is already being built, at least along some parts of the border.

I saw it this summer while I was visiting San Diego, quite an impressive bit of engineering actually.

Will it stop much terrorism, or any? Honestly I doubt it, we've had rather porous borders for a while, yet so far the only sucessful major terrorist attack in this country has come from people who entered the country legally.

When the Mexican suicide bombers start blowing up our local strip malls, then the wall will become a bigger priority. I'm not holding my breath though.

As much as I am opposed to illegal immigration (it hurts the US labor market, especially the bottom rungs of it that are the most vulnerable) demonizing the people who come across doesn't help make your case. The Mexicans who come across are largely people looking for work. Criminals, if you haven't noticed, aren't generally so big on finding jobs. That's why they're criminals, so they don't have to find jobs...

As far as this diatrabe:

I am sick and tired of you socilist liberal losers.

First of all if you're going to accuse people of being socialists, learn to spell the word. Second of all every person who opposes the latest authoritarian wet dream is not necessarily a socialist or even a "liberal".

As for guns, I recieved my NRA Marksman First Class at about 12, and have a collection of firearms you would cry for. And if you dont think I'll defend myself or those I care about, you are free to try and pick a fight with me some time

Don't mistake opposition to a particular war, or to the latest draconian (and probably pointless) "security measure", as a blanket statement of granola-infused pacificsm.