Niribu or Aldebaran

It seems like many things point towards beings coming from some where around Aldebaran. Persian royal stars, in Italian occultism Aldebaran represents a fallen angel, Michael (archangel) means "He who is like god" of course from Aldebaran as well. Many other authors/stories speak of this. It seems like Stichin may be the only one saying the Annunaki are from Marduk/Niribu & lots of people lately discredit Stichen. Where do you think this race came from? The fact that Niribu spins in an elliptical orbit with no sun always bothered me. After reading about alchemy and what certain precious metals do to your brain, I think they wanted the gold for other reasons.... like greatly extending their lives.

Originally posted by princeea
It seems like many things point towards beings coming from some where around Aldebaran.

Actually, that is simply because Aldebaran is one of the brightest stars in the sky. When people told stories or named stars as being important, they didn't pick out little dim ones (as a rule) -- they picked out the unusual ones (the "seven sisters") or the brightest ones.

Aldebaran is the 13th brightest star in the sky. It would be surprising if it was ignored and not spoken about.

Persian royal stars, in Italian occultism Aldebaran represents a fallen angel, Michael (archangel) means "He who is like god" of course from Aldebaran as well. Many other authors/stories speak of this.

In western culture, yes. But Aldebaran (the name) comes from the Arabic and Semetic cultures, and the name means "the follower."
www.astro.uiuc.edu...

It seems like Stichin may be the only one saying the Annunaki are from Marduk/Niribu & lots of people lately discredit Stichen.

Because Marduk is associated with the planet Mars, and the Sumerians only knew and named the planets to Saturn. They kept elaborate astronomical tables... none of which show Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Sedna, Xena (the most recently discovered) or any other planets.

Where do you think this race came from?

Skeletal, mummy, genetic, and fossil evidence says homo sapiens evolved here on earth. If we evolved elsewhere, we would not be able to survive well on an alien planet (wrong balance of nutrients, wrong composition of air, etc, etc.

As to Aldebaran, the only planet we've found there is about 4 times the size of Jupiter... which wouldn't support lifeforms like us. I think the gravity would be about 6 times that of here on Earth (depending on the composition of the planet) and the atmosphere would be considerably denser.

Any lifeform that originated there would suffocate here on Earth because they couldn't get enough oxygen/other gas into their lungs (actually, they'd probably explode messily, much as deep ocean fish do when brought to the surface.)

The fact that Niribu spins in an elliptical orbit with no sun always bothered me.

Imaginary planets (unlike real planets) can have any property that the dreamer wants. I could create Planet BarkingDog, announce that it has a square orbit, and it was predicted by the Mayan Calendar and is going to return to change the Earth in 2012. Being an imaginary planet, it doesn't have to follow Newton's laws (like the real universe) or behave in any logical way at all. I can even accuse Planet BarkingDog as being the cause of all the ice ages.

Your first response should not be to run off to alchemy, but run off to see what astronomers and the original culture has to say (in this case, it would show that BarkingDog is pure nonsense since nothing has an orbit like that.)

After reading about alchemy and what certain precious metals do to your brain, I think they wanted the gold for other reasons.... like greatly extending their lives.

Human civilizations create gods that have the morals and goals of that civilization. Sumerian rulers wanted gold...therefore the gods wanted gold and it was logical that they'd send the lesser gods to do mining and to create human servants to mine for gold. In civilizations that didn't think of gold as valued, their gods wanted humans to bring/donate/give to them other things... things that their culture found valuable.

50,000 years before the rise of Ur and the other Sumerian cities, the gods would have found animal parts or human parts or even certain stones to be valuable.

Gold, by the way, is chemically inert. So even if you swallowed quite a lot of it, all it would do is pass through your body. It wouldn't affect your longevity.

[edit on 21-11-2005 by Byrd]

Actually your wrong about gold, yes if you eat it out right like nutmeg, it does nothing, but when mixed properly and processed, nutmeg turns into MDMA. Gold changes to into a substance with effects the brain like acid or mushrooms. Gold is a perfect conductor and certain things in your brain like the pituitary gland are like crushed crystals we find in a cell phone. They interact well together like a circuit.I have to run to work for now but check out genesis of the grail kings for a better description.Theres a reason Nazis and many other want gold and it was not for monetary value.....

Originally posted by princeea
Actually your wrong about gold, yes if you eat it out right like nutmeg, it does nothing, but when mixed properly and processed, nutmeg turns into MDMA.

I'm afraid it doesn't. MethelyneDioxite contains methyl (carbon and hydrogen) and more oxygen. Gold doesn't have any unattached electrons, so it can't react with anything at all. It can't "change into a conductor."

Nerves are covered with sheaths of myelin, and myelin doesn't use or contain gold. And there are no crystals in the pituitary gland. Just tissue. I can show you slides of pitutitary gland tissue.

Originally posted by Byrd
Because Marduk is associated with the planet Mars, and the Sumerians only knew and named the planets to Saturn. They kept elaborate astronomical tables... none of which show Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Sedna, Xena (the most recently discovered) or any other planets.

What does the cylinder seal(s) showing 11 spherical bodies orbitting around a star in the sky depict then in your opinion?

Human civilizations create gods that have the morals and goals of that civilization. Sumerian rulers wanted gold...therefore the gods wanted gold and it was logical that they'd send the lesser gods to do mining and to create human servants to mine for gold.

Unless like their histories say it was the gods who created the humans instead of the other way around. While gold has some rather fascinating scientific properties these people (to our knowledge to date)were unaware of them. And just to look at it gold wouldn't appear to be so visually dazzling as to eclipse other metals and gems. So if the gods wanted gold because the Sumerians wanted gold instead of vice versa,one wonders what it was about gold that so captivated the Sumerians in the first place. It merely being pretty would seem too superficial an explanation for such a sacred status to be ascribed to it.



[edit on 21-11-2005 by Loungerist]

Imaginary planets (unlike real planets) can have any property that the dreamer wants.

Well I guess Pluto is fake too... it changes places to the outside or inner track due to its eccentric orbit...this thread was meant for people who have similar beliefs to myself, not to try and disprove Stichen, etc.

Heres some real info how gold can effect us... It can also make things weightless and trick the body into not aging, again I recommend genesis of the grail kings for ALL the explanations you will need...

66.102.7.104...:Xq5F-Xg5IRoJ:www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html+gold+alchemy+brain&hl=en&client=safari

66.102.7.104...:sElGHsuM-eEJ:www.tomkenyon.com/articles/whitegold.html+gold+alchemy+brain&hl=en&client=safari

"In 1972 NASA "sent out an invitation for extraterrestrials to visit Earth.
A map showing the location of Earth was attached to the Pioneer 10 spacecraft",
sent towards the star Aldebaran. Aldebaran is about 68 light years away and it will take
Pioneer over 2 million years to reach it.

Wonder why they sent it in that direction... hmmm

[edit on 22-11-2005 by princeea]

Originally posted by Loungerist

Originally posted by Byrd
Because Marduk is associated with the planet Mars, and the Sumerians only knew and named the planets to Saturn. They kept elaborate astronomical tables... none of which show Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Sedna, Xena (the most recently discovered) or any other planets.

What does the cylinder seal(s) showing 11 spherical bodies orbitting around a star in the sky depict then in your opinion?

Let me ask you this: how do you know they're planets?

Sitchin told you. How do you know he's right?

He wrote a book, right?

Ooookay... so if his theory is so wonderful, then how can you explain that the symbol for the "sun" on the seal is actually the Sumerian symbol for Venus?
www.sitchiniswrong.com...

Could it be that Sitchin got it wrong?

If you scroll down the paper I just referenced, you'll see the thing that Sitchin won't show you -- other artifacts and examples of the sign for the Sun and Venus... including a tablet of the heavens where both the Sun and Venus are represented.

Note that Sitchin, in order to make his theory "work" actually does something that Velikovsky and Von Daniken do: they leave out the part of the artifact with the WRITING on it.

Why DON'T they show the whole thing?

Are they hiding the fact that they can't read the symbols themselves? Are they hiding the fact that they know perfectly well what the writing says and want you to buy into a lie?

And why don't the names of the planets in Sitchin's books match the known Sumerian names of the planets?
www.ramtops.demon.co.uk...

Here's some pages by modern astrologers that references the oldest known horoscopes. These same astrologers, who study ancient horoscopes, say very plainly that the Sumerians only knew of the planets Mercury through Saturn:
www.amazingkeepsakes.com...
home.iprimus.com.au...
touregypt.net...

Why are there seven days in the week? The ancients named the weekdays for the five known planets plus the sun and the moon, so why didn't they have a 14 day week (12 planets plus the sun and moon)? Why did they not name a day for Nibiru, that "important and dreaded planet" that surely would have been worshipped.
www.friesian.com...

I could give other examples, which can be backed up and verified but I'm running into overkill, here. And each of these examples has many artifacts (things you can see and translate for yourself if you like) to back up the statement.

So ask yourself, "Why is Sitchin hiding the truth?"

Could it be that he's found a "shtick" that makes him money and he doesn't care what lies he has to tell and what things he has to hide to sell books?

one wonders what it was about gold that so captivated the Sumerians in the first place. It merely being pretty would seem too superficial an explanation for such a sacred status to be ascribed to it.

It's the first metal used by almost every civilization (unless they're introduced to metals by others), it is the only one that exists in pure form, and it's the color of the sun (which is worshipped as a god/seen as home of a god.)

It's also fairly rare and easily workable. It's the first metal in ornaments, which means people with higher status will acquire it in trade.

Sumerians weren't that obsessed with gold, actually.

(evil grin) Would you like the references for these statements? I have ... a few.

Originally posted by princeea

Imaginary planets (unlike real planets) can have any property that the dreamer wants.

Well I guess Pluto is fake too... it changes places to the outside or inner track due to its eccentric orbit

Which is perfectly consitant with Newton's laws. And it's not an 'outside' or 'inner track'... its orbit is slightly more eliptical than Neptune's.

...this thread was meant for people who have similar beliefs to myself, not to try and disprove Stichen, etc.

Anyone who posts here (including me) is giving everyone else license to pick apart their statements (I've been proved wrong before). There's no such thing as "you can only post if you agree with me."

Heres some real info how gold can effect us... It can also make things weightless

Do you have proof? Seriously... can you show proof of someone following an exact procedure that makes things weightless using gold (and if you can, why haven't they patented it or made it available to handicapped people who have so much trouble getting around?)

and trick the body into not aging,

Again, do you have proof?

again I recommend genesis of the grail kings for ALL the explanations you will need...

How do you know the book is true?

"In 1972 NASA "sent out an invitation for extraterrestrials to visit Earth. A map showing the location of Earth was attached to the Pioneer 10 spacecraft", sent towards the star Aldebaran. Aldebaran is about 68 light years away and it will take Pioneer over 2 million years to reach it.

Wonder why they sent it in that direction... hmmm[edit on 22-11-2005 by princeea]

Because its REAL mission was to explore the outer planets? Because they knew it couldn't be made to swing around a planet and head back (no fuel)? Because they knew it wouldn't be coming back so they sent a message on it in a fit of whimsy? Because in order to have it intercept Jupiter and the other planets they had to point it to Aldebaran?
en.wikipedia.org...

Byrd, yes pick all you want, but sometimes you just dont get what people are saying, just read over some of your posts. You dont deduct logic well. If I did not know any better I'd say you were a woman....

Originally posted by Byrd
Let me ask you this: how do you know they're planets?

I don't. That's why I asked what you thought it was and why I didn't use the word "planets".

Sitchin told you. How do you know he's right? He wrote a book, right?

He did. Multiple ones. And in them he's constructed a case that has a great deal of backing and I regard his work higher than that of many traditionalists. I do not however take everything he says as accurate nor do I even agree with alot of his reasonings. I'm not even a particular follower of Sitchin even though I respect his research. Like anyone else attempting to stitch together a billion year timeline Sitchin is bound to have made some errors. Perhaps almost as many as orthodox scientists have when trying to do the same.

Ooookay... so if his theory is so wonderful, then how can you explain that the symbol for the "sun" on the seal is actually the Sumerian symbol for Venus?
www.sitchiniswrong.com...

Could it be that Sitchin got it wrong?

Could be. Or it could be that like many of the overzealous and often half-cocked attempts to prove Sitchin wrong the person is missing the entire premise of the books. Which is that many words and symbols have been mistranslated so one shouldn't expect what Sitchin says to line up exactly with what's been said before. Sitchin's theory that the tablets have been mistranslated and misinterpretted would not have been positted in the first place if he got the same interpretation that everyone else did.

If you scroll down the paper I just referenced, you'll see the thing that Sitchin won't show you -- other artifacts and examples of the sign for the Sun and Venus... including a tablet of the heavens where both the Sun and Venus are represented.

Note that Sitchin, in order to make his theory "work" actually does something that Velikovsky and Von Daniken do: they leave out the part of the artifact with the WRITING on it.

I know exactly what symbol that Sitchin detractor is referring to and I'm pretty sure I got it from one of Sitchin's own books since that's where nearly all of my viewing of Sumerian symbols comes from. It would go against his whole theme to hide that prior readers of the text disagreed with his interpretations. Further,I don't think anyone alive can translate these texts with anything approaching unerring accuracy or discern their context with certainty. Not only are these texts thousands of years old and in a dead language but they are also likely a mixture of fact and fiction as well as distorted over time. As well as written by humans who I'm sure that due to the artistic nature of their writing alone didn't draw everything the same exact way every time and likely made the occasional mistake. As such I take the interpretation that I feel is the most plausible. Not necessarily the interpretation given by the "expert" who condescends the most or baulks the loudest.

Why DON'T they show the whole thing?

Are they hiding the fact that they can't read the symbols themselves? Are they hiding the fact that they know perfectly well what the writing says and want you to buy into a lie?

I don't get the impression that Sitchin is intentionally hiding things. Namely because from the chunks of his books I've read Sitchin has no aversion to showing the symbols and how he's translating. Nor does he show aversion to pointing out when a translation is uniquely his own and deviates from other scholars. That in fact is often his whole point.

And why don't the names of the planets in Sitchin's books match the known Sumerian names of the planets?
www.ramtops.demon.co.uk...

Here's some pages by modern astrologers that references the oldest known horoscopes. These same astrologers, who study ancient horoscopes, say very plainly that the Sumerians only knew of the planets Mercury through Saturn:

The cylinder seals suggest that the Sumerians not only knew of Saturn but that it had rings. mars-earth.com...

The rings are not visible to the naked eye and it's why they were not rediscovered until thousands of years later. If they knew of Saturn's rings then they likely had a deeper vision than just to Saturn itself. Sitchin does not only use the Sumerian tablets but a cross-refference of multiple sources to craft his research. Doing this he's concluded not only that the Sumerians knew of more planets than those but he was also able to accurately cite properties of them that were unknown even by the time his book was written. So unless he's just a really lucky guesser it would seem he's on to something.

Why are there seven days in the week? The ancients named the weekdays for the five known planets plus the sun and the moon, so why didn't they have a 14 day week (12 planets plus the sun and moon)?

I'd say because the number of days placed in the week are not based on the number of planets known. The days are named after various things and not just planets. The number of days placed in a week is also undoubtibly based on more than one factor. It's likely due in part to astronomy,part to religion,and in the case of the Sumerians,in part due to their complex math and geometry. 7 is a very important geometric number. It represents the only number in which circular objects can form a stable configuration.

astronomy.swin.edu.au...

Why did they not name a day for Nibiru, that "important and dreaded planet" that surely would have been worshipped.
www.friesian.com...

Assuming Nibiru exists as Sitchin describes it,perhaps for the same reason the Greeks never named a day after Pluto.

Edit:Ignore the above. I completely read that question wrong. I don't know what the Sumerians named their days so I couldn't say. If you have the names of their days give me a referrence and I'll check it out. But I should clarify that I'm not necessarily a believer in "Nibiru" as the wild planet that Sitchin proposes. I can accept another planet being or having been in our solar system at some point in the past,but I'd need stronger evidence than Sitchin provides to believe it has the incredible properties he gives it.

I could give other examples, which can be backed up and verified but I'm running into overkill, here. And each of these examples has many artifacts (things you can see and translate for yourself if you like) to back up the statement.

And I can give you numerous verifiable examples of traditionalist scientific beliefs being proven totally incorrect in numerous fields of study. For that matter archeologists and anthropologists have practically made an Olympic sport out of being wrong about our past. While one can scour and dissect individual points of Sitchin's work his general themes have merit and scientific backing. He also is working on a comfortable curve as far as mistakes go since the conventional scientists who attack him have some whopping flaws of their own.

So ask yourself, "Why is Sitchin hiding the truth?"

Could it be that he's found a "shtick" that makes him money and he doesn't care what lies he has to tell and what things he has to hide to sell books?

This is probably an overexaggeration of the truth. I have little doubt that like his orthodox opponents Sitchin is married to his theories and skews things to fit them at times. Though I don't think it's as unscrupulous and deliberate as you're implying. I also think it's terribly misleading to single Sitchin out for doing it as though it's not common in all fields of science. To quote a summary of Professor Thomas Kuhn:

contrary to popular conception, typical scientists are not objective and independent thinkers. Rather, they are conservative individuals who accept what they have been taught and apply their knowledge to solving the problems that their theories dictate. Most are, in essence, puzzle-solvers who aim to discover what they already know in advance.

www.des.emory.edu...

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It's the first metal used by almost every civilization (unless they're introduced to metals by others), it is the only one that exists in pure form, and it's the color of the sun (which is worshipped as a god/seen as home of a god.)

It's also fairly rare and easily workable. It's the first metal in ornaments, which means people with higher status will acquire it in trade.

These are all nice features but I don't think they warrant the status gold held. Gold is a very soft metal and not very different from the other noble metals in terms of what they used it for. Officially anyway.

Sumerians weren't that obsessed with gold, actually.

(evil grin) Would you like the references for these statements? I have ... a few.

That's OK. Considering what I've read about it I'd probaly find such claims unconvincing.




[edit on 22-11-2005 by Loungerist]

Loungerist, great replies! Thats what I wanted to see, someone else who has been pondering the same things. I do agree that shem translates into "ship" because I have seen other things that affirm this. Maybe he is not that off after all. Most of my recent research I've been doing keeps bringing up alderbaren more & more, so I got to wondering. Maybe their were more than one set of gods, as Bramley suggests. There definitly is a lot pointing to blonde/red haired people visiting many years ago.
I wonder if this would be the annunaki or maybe another race? Credo Mudwa brings up these wazungu/watainde people as well. I think this race may have been at war with the reptiles if they exist, this was the archangels mission as well as many legends of thor fighting the world serpent.

Loungerist, good luck trying to convince Byrd of anything. Last time she was attacking Sitchin in a post I made she had a load of "Sitchin says this, he doesn't do that", and all the claims made were way off the mark with what Sitchin says.

I can respect people who will point out quietly and simply why something doesn't make sense, as long as they are accurate in what they are trying to find fault with. But trying to deny ignorance with a personal forum crusade and being so typically western in thinking, it makes you ask the question "why bother?". Referencing a hundred like-minded individuals claiming what you say it true doesn't make you right. As the old saying goes, "100,000 lemmings can't be wrong!".

Have to wonder if some people have any dreams or magnificence in their life ;-/

Originally posted by Nairod
Loungerist, good luck trying to convince Byrd of anything. Last time she was attacking Sitchin in a post I made she had a load of "Sitchin says this, he doesn't do that", and all the claims made were way off the mark with what Sitchin says.

Well not to speak of Byrd specifically there is certainly an anti-Sitchin sentiment that clearly shows personal disapproval masked as scientific conclusion. Often times it comes from relaying arguments from other people who obviously haven't read Sitchin's books. Of all the attempts to dispute Sitchin I've seen I'd say well more than half come from the person not knowing what they're talking about and/or what Sitchin actually said. But that's pretty much to be expected when one challenges the foundation of both religion and science. People will attack first and research second. If at all.

boy, some people really don't like it when accuracy, facts, logic and reason are introduced into a conversation about aliens who eat gold.....

thanks byrd, I learn something every time you post

There's little of those things present in most of these posts syrinx, and even less understanding of what they're attacking.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
boy, some people really don't like it when accuracy, facts, logic and reason are introduced into a conversation about aliens who eat gold.....

thanks byrd, I learn something every time you post

If you only knew what was in the drugs you take, aluminum, silicone, filler. Also its not solid gold but something like this:

whitepowdergold.com...

I doubt these guys have the real formula but who knows....

make sure to click the link on the left "Gold & DNA"

Hope you learned something




[edit on 24-11-2005 by princeea]

-Sigh- You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of playing cops and robbers as a kid. Nobody would ever admit they'd been shot. "No you didn't, I shot you first!"

A few words on Sitchin:
We're not talking about "errors" in the organization of a billion year timeline. We're talking about a man who claims that everyone else who reads Sumerian reads it wrong, yet he has not been able to set the rest of the academic community straight.
A language is a system, it has relatively consistent organization and rules- that's why cryptography works. When somebody is wrong, it can be proven by demonstrating contradictions.

I could invent my own characters and syntax, put a wholly new language together, and never tell anyone. If I left enough writing behind though, it could be decoded accurately and ambiguity would not be able to endure thorough examination. That's why the Navajo Code Talkers couldn't just speak Navajo, even though it was a pretty safe bet that nobody in the Japanese army spoke that language- that could have been decoded if they hadn't memorized a randomly redundant alphabet to spell the code with. Even still it wasn't fool proof- it theoretically could have been broken.

You mentioned that Sitchin has described planets before they were known based on Sumerian accounts. Examples please? Give me the publication info and I'll find a copy of the book and verify that the info is in there, then i'll hit the books and find out when the info Sitchin points out was first discovered.


Then there's the gold...
I checked out the white gold link. I'm sure that the author has experienced the effects of mushrooms and acid, but that's not an EFFECT of his decision to injest gold. More than likely, it's the CAUSE.

A little about the gold thing:

1. If the Nazis wanted the gold for reasons other than the runaway inflation of their currency before the war, why did they stash it in Swiss banks instead of taking it to the labs or factories or wherever it was going to be used for whatever sinister purpose you suspect???

2. Inorganic compounds, to the best of my knowledge, are not psychoactive. Do you know what's in "Magic Mushrooms"? Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and probably nitrogen (i'm guessing on the nitrogen, but it seems like all of the really interesting biochemicals, except for ethanol of course, are amines). You might get a little pickup from getting sufficient vital dietary minerals (gold isn't proven to be one by the way), but you're not gonna have a trip.

I'll double check that with my cousin tomorrow: he goes on more trips the Gerald Ford- I'm pretty sure that he'll admit both to having tried to smoke gold at some point and to having gotten nothing out of it.


Last food for though, this is for Nairod about the "western thinking".
There seem to be many people who look down on the western zeal for logic and science as thinking too much within the confines of rules. This is ironic considering that this mode of thought has brought the west a great deal of advancement over the past 500 years, while cultures which are supposedly "outside the box" because they don't confine themselves to science actually are quite within the box often- sticking to traditional "wisdom" at all costs, even when it is flawed and stagnant.

Obviously I would never suggest that this extends to all eastern cultures, much less that they any culture is without redeeming strenghts or is somehow inferior. All I'm saying is that I've noted a very ironically flawed perception of the relative strengths of eastern and western cultures from some members on ATS.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that at least one of you Sitchin lovers is from India.

Originally posted by princeea
Also its not solid gold but something like this:

whitepowdergold.com...

I doubt these guys have the real formula but who knows....

make sure to click the link on the left "Gold & DNA"

Mmmm, snake oil. As with all snake oil it comes with it's own selection of amazing claims, none of which are backed up with any facts. Such as:

It can be found as a residue at crop circles

Really? Can it?

collected by NASA astronauts as Stardust, at the ratio of 1 per 10,000 particles.

Oooh, Stardust, that must be good. What is the ratio with exactly? Dragons? I couldn't find any mention of NASA finding this substance in "stardust" on their site, but maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place.

And as with all snake oil it must have miraculous healing properties:

Dave C. tells us
I must admit that I am extremely satisfied with this products` effects on me personally. I have used this white powder gold for over a year now. My smokers skin has been gradually replaced by soft, yet tough skin that does not tear or bruise like before , and it heals quickly. My muscles have grown strong. I now have the energy and ability of a thirty year old man, again. Every time I look in a mirror, I marvel at how much younger I appear , because this has literally taken most of my facial wrinkles and my gray hairs away. White powder gold has changed me for the better. I use just 4 drops a day of this product , and it has restored my health , my youth ,and my life!

Wow! Who wouldn't want some of that? It's surprising that these guys are all billionaires with a product that can do that to a person.

Yes I did click on the "Gold & DNA" bit - it seems to be a combination of techno-babble gibberish and yet more wild unsubstantiated claims.

Which bit of the site is it exactly that makes you think that these guys are telling the truth and they are not just the usual scamsters selling rubbish?

hey take a look at a few of the effects of taking this white gold potion

"These gifts include: perfect telepathy, the ability to know good and evil when it’s present, and to project thoughts into another person’s mind. There is also the ability to levitate, or to walk on water. By excluding all external magnetic fields (including the Earth’s gravity), the white powder of gold takes one beyond the four dimensional space time continuum, and the individual becomes a fifth dimensional being. They can literally think where they would like to be, and go there. They can heal by the laying on of hands, and can cleanse and resurrect the dead within two or three days after they died. They have so much energy that they can literally embrace people and bring light and energy back into them."

taken from here: whitepowdergold.com...

so if people had this stuff back in the day, why did they all die? why not bring people back from the dead? why?

because its a huge load of BS.

and what are they selling this miracle in a bottle for ? wow 49.95 plus 8 bucks for shipping and handling... u mean i can pay 58 bucks and be able to live forever and heal people by touching them?

do you seriously really think that is real princeea???
and if you do, send me some of those drugs you're on, i'd like some too... or wait maybe ill just get high on gold.

the only application this possible has is in the realm of nano technology.
theres nothing supernatural about it.

also, that research thats on that page was taken from a legit research labs page. all they did was copy it and give them credit so they wouldnt get sued for stealing their stuff. the "gold & dna" link has nothing to do with your supernatural garbage you're trying to prove.


oh and by the way.. the thing about NASA shooting their ship towards aldebaran..
if it is gonna take it 20,000,000 light years to get there , what in the world was the point.
they shot it that way because that was the direction they had to aim in order to intercept the outer planets. you're reading into that one wayyyy too much.




[edit on 11/24/2005 by McGuirk]

Now that I've had some time I read through these links. They're pretty typical of Sitchin refute attempts. Which is to say they're personal moreso than factual and aren't very strong as a result.

Originally posted by Byrd

Ooookay... so if his theory is so wonderful, then how can you explain that the symbol for the "sun" on the seal is actually the Sumerian symbol for Venus?
www.sitchiniswrong.com...

Maybe because it's not. After reading that I reread some of the Earth Chronicles. Venus is an 8 pointed star and not a disc with 6 points. The page creator himself admits this symbol is unknown to him and tosses out guesses. The page also curiously omits to mention that Sitchin provided other seals showing similiar symbols. And the page (mis)states that this one seal is the center of Sitchin's thesis. For one thing there are other seals and for another Sitchin uses texts and rituals of the Twelve moreso than this seal.

And why don't the names of the planets in Sitchin's books match the known Sumerian names of the planets?
www.ramtops.demon.co.uk...

Well the most obvious reason would be because that page is giving Babylonian names and not Sumerian...

On top of that little detail apparently being overlooked one of the page's refutations for Sitchin is that the Sumerians couldn't have seen Uranus because it's not visible without a telescope. That page couldn't miss the point any harder if it sat down and tried.

Here's some pages by modern astrologers that references the oldest known horoscopes. These same astrologers, who study ancient horoscopes, say very plainly that the Sumerians only knew of the planets Mercury through Saturn:
www.amazingkeepsakes.com...
home.iprimus.com.au...
touregypt.net...

Perhaps you can point it out to me but I didn't see anywhere in any of these pages say the Sumerians only knew of 5 planets. Curiously though the last page claims that the Assyurian's Marduk was Jupiter. Which immediately calls the accuracy into question.

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Not to get into the habit of pointing out faults in websites as one could pull a thousand websites about anything of any opinion if one were so inclined. I think there are honest flaws in Sitchin's research but most of the stuff you'll see will be half-baked arguments based on emotion instead of actual material. I think if you're going to attack something you have to at least understand it first.



[edit on 24-11-2005 by Loungerist]